Deceased/Not Found AZ - Jhessye Shockley, 5, Glendale, 11 Oct 2011 - #2 *J. Hunter guilty*

[Salem]

I want G'ma arrested for failure to protect those kids and I want a public explanation from CPS as to why those children were not moved into foster care in April 2011.

And I want those things RIGHT NOW!

Salem

 

[JeannaT]

Clearly patience is another skill she was never taught.

I'm struck by how there seems to be a pattern emerging where the people with the rights are the people who do the harm, and the people who are the victims or are trying to help the victims are the ones that need to jump through hoops. I realize that we have become quite a litigious society, but this is just too much. I understand that everyone (including those that are guilty) "deserve" a fair shake, but the line has to be drawn somewhere. It's almost like at some point we were so busy writing laws and protections for those that are suspected/convicted of crimes, that we forgot about the the actual victims, and their rights, kwim?

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, so I'll stop ranting now.

:banghead:

It's just amazing to me, and you do seem to see it fairly often - people who can't manage to sit there respectfully in the court of law. Most everyone can manage it, even the most hardened murderers, but there are always people who for some reason won't. You know, if she were being offered $100 in some unrelated event by some kind of promoter to sit still and look pleasant for 3 hours, she could do it no problem. Hundred bucks for the person who sits still and looks the most pleasant. You know she could. Why can't she manage that when SO MUCH is at stake?

Off topic but I am thinking of that woman who lived across the street from that dying girl last year, and she put coffins and stuff in the yard and taunted the family on facebook and the whole neighborhood hates her. And here we had a PTA officer who stole 20K from the PTA and flipped off the PTA treasurer at her court trial. I mean really. Astounding.

 

[angelmom]

latest update here:

http://www.azcentral.com/community/...ale-girl-jhessye-shockley-court-document.html

This whole case makes me sick and grandma needs to shut her mouth. NOBODY was looking out for these kids. Grandma should be ashamed of herself, defending her loser daughter who has already been incarcerated for beating the same very kids. I cannot believe this mother got her kids back after 4 years in prison for child abuse. It is now looking like mom killed the girl and has hid the body. Very sad. Extremely unlikely this little cutie pie is alive. I believe the siblings over the mother and grandmother. Sad. Even the grandma was not even looking out for her own grandkids she is too busy pulling the race card and criticizing police.

The other thing that makes me so POed about cases like this...or when a woman lies about a rape, etc. is that it hurts SO MANY other people.

It isn't just the person who is falsely accused (if one is named).
It isn't just the people who had less police attention because they were chasing down lies.
It isn't just the families and friends of both people who don't know what to believe or why.
It's that the next time a child actually does wander off or really is kidnapped, someone might be in a little less of a rush...someone might take a little longer to verify the parents' alibi...someone might overlook an important piece of evidence...all because of one too many liars.

Also, IMHO, the people who are waving the race/sex/disability card around and screaming the loudest are usually the biggest liars. Victims who are in a racial minority or disabled or female don't think something is wrong because of their status. They think it's wrong because it is just WRONG for anyone.

 

[Kat]

When I see a case like this, I have to go back and review other unsolved cases. I'm having great pause in the Haleigh Cummings case now. GREAT pause.

Bless little Jahessye. :heartluv:

I can't believe the evil she had to endure at the hands of someone who was supposed to be her mother. :furious:

Your post brought to mind some thoughts I've had but haven't shared on our boards but I'll use your post to jump off because you brought up the other unsolved cases we have here (and we have literally hundreds, and those are just a fraction of the children that remain missing).

The thought is that~ we tend to view others by our own POV of the world. Meaning many of us look at a situation and want to believe that a caregiver (parent...etc.) couldn't do this or wouldn't do this. Because we ourselves would never think to do exactly that~ whether it be to strike a child to death or to treat them in cruel ways.

And even futher a great many of us (hey, I do this myself at times) will look at a parent or caregiver and say oh they couldn't have possibly done this, there is no motive or they couldn't have done it and disposed of a body---

Or (and I do this myself too) we assign labels to them to remove them from us, like evil or crazy or etc... When in fact, more than likely, if we had known them to speak to them we would be shocked that they could be responsible for these actions. I can't count how many times we seen friends and family say "He/she was such a good parent", or "they could never do anything like that" or "i'll never believe it until they say so with their own mouth".

But they do. Children are murdered and disposed of every week. Some are never found and some caregivers never brought to justice. It's sad and that's why you won't see me on a lot of children's threads. I can't even go to the kids subforum we have here. I'm just too softhearted and can't bear it. I just can't.

Sorry for the ramble but Jahessye's case is why I'm not so quick to defend a caregiver anymore. I'm not quick to accuse but I'm never surprised anymore when a caregiver is arrested or charged.

That's sad isn't it? All JMHO.

 

[Kimster]

I want G'ma arrested for failure to protect those kids and I want a public explanation from CPS as to why those children were not moved into foster care in April 2011.

And I want those things RIGHT NOW!

Salem

I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JeannaT]

Your post brought to mind some thoughts I've had but haven't shared on our boards but I'll use your post to jump off because you brought up the other unsolved cases we have here (and we have literally hundreds, and those are just a fraction of the children that remain missing).

The thought is that~ we tend to view others by our own POV of the world. Meaning many of us look at a situation and want to believe that a caregiver (parent...etc.) couldn't do this or wouldn't do this. Because we ourselves would never think to do exactly that~ whether it be to strike a child to death or to treat them in cruel ways.

And even futher a great many of us (hey, I do this myself at times) will look at a parent or caregiver and say oh they couldn't have possibly done this, there is no motive or they couldn't have done it and disposed of a body---

Or (and I do this myself too) we assign labels to them to remove them from us, like evil or crazy or etc... When in fact, more than likely, if we had known them to speak to them we would be shocked that they could be responsible for these actions. I can't count how many times we seen friends and family say "He/she was such a good parent", or "they could never do anything like that" or "i'll never believe it until they say so with their own mouth".

But they do. Children are murdered and disposed of every week. Some are never found and some caregivers never brought to justice. It's sad and that's why you won't see me on a lot of children's threads. I can't even go to the kids subforum we have here. I'm just too softhearted and can't bear it. I just can't.

Sorry for the ramble but Jahessye's case is why I'm not so quick to defend a caregiver anymore. I'm not quick to accuse but I'm never surprised anymore when a caregiver is arrested or charged.

That's sad isn't it? All JMHO.

I think people just say that. I do hear it in cases in the media, and I have this thing I've said here before - the more people speak out and say "she would NEVER do that", the more likely it is that she did just that. When the story unravels a little, it's shocking that everyone didn't predict or believe she'd do just that (whatever it is in the story). She'd never leave, she'd never harm her kids, she'd never go off with strangers, etc., the more likely it is they're just blowing smoke for some reason.

For all the posters here - has anyone in your life ever done anything that's truly surprised you? Either a great act of heroism, or great evil - have you ever seen a case where you didn't think well yeah, I believe that?

 

[Mgorules]

You know what is killing me about these cases? I mean other than the obvious like I have no idea why parents hate their children so much that they would torture them to death...these parents used to call LE or an ambulance once they had killed them. There was aleays that stupid "child fell off of the bed and was blue when I found him/her", but at least they called.
Now, it seems to me, since FICA parents dump them and dont say another word. They just leave their lovelies out in the cold waiting for some poor passerby to finally uncover what they did to their flesh and blood.

I dont understand how we got here.

BBM
I agree completely! Has this type of crime (dumping and denying) just been more widely talked about and reported? Or is there actually a huge increase in this type of crime? I guess we'll never know what hasn't been reported. It may just be indicative of generations of people going through the system, and they learn how to outwit it, and "the system" doesn't evolve in response. If a suspect/POI denies, denies, denies, then LE has to use that many more resources to prove their case, and they know it. They think they're smarter than LE, when really, LE is just the one who has to follow the rules. I understand that LE has the burden of proof, I get it, but really?

MOO

I'm ranting again :maddening:

 

[Mgorules]

After reading the report, I am sick to my stomach. Now I know that lil J is no longer with us. WTF is wrong with people. If you don't want your kids, then give them up!!!:furious::furious:

Really, is life in prison or the death penalty worth abusing kids!!!

If I did not believe in heaven, I don't know what else would get me through reading things like this or taking action myself against these monsters!!

BBM

That's the thing. They DO want those kids. How else are they going to get those checks?

MOO

:furious:

 

[Mgorules]

It's just amazing to me, and you do seem to see it fairly often - people who can't manage to sit there respectfully in the court of law. Most everyone can manage it, even the most hardened murderers, but there are always people who for some reason won't. You know, if she were being offered $100 in some unrelated event by some kind of promoter to sit still and look pleasant for 3 hours, she could do it no problem. Hundred bucks for the person who sits still and looks the most pleasant. You know she could. Why can't she manage that when SO MUCH is at stake?

Off topic but I am thinking of that woman who lived across the street from that dying girl last year, and she put coffins and stuff in the yard and taunted the family on facebook and the whole neighborhood hates her. And here we had a PTA officer who stole 20K from the PTA and flipped off the PTA treasurer at her court trial. I mean really. Astounding.

BBM

Yes, that woman in Michigan- the girl's mother had already died from the same degenerative disease. Unbelievable. Even when I went to traffic court a few years ago, there were only a handful of people that weren't chomping on gum, on their phones, or randomly whistling or talking. I just don't get the utter disrespect for people in general. And I'm only 31, it's not like I'm sitting on my rocker talking about the good ole days. Makes me that much more thankful for the parents I have and the relationships I cherish.

GRRRRRRRR MOOOOOOOO

 

[2door73chevy]

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/LaurieRoberts/149230

I HATE this "mother"! The baby girl was missing hair? I'm sickened and mad:furious:

 

[Breazy]

OMG NOOOOO! I have known in my heart that Jhessye was gone at the hands of her mother but didn't imagine to what extent this precious baby girl suffered. It brings me to my knees to think of how scared she must have been, suffering & dying in that closet. Fly with the angels sweet one, never to be hurt again! Also, the parents defense of Jerice makes the horror of it all even worse. They deserve to be locked up too IMO. Kudos to the sister for her courage and God bless those children and protect them from any further harm!!

 

[EllaMae]

I hope, with everything in me, that the other children are in a home where they can receive love, support, and healing. These children have survived the horror of being a child of Jerice Hunter. They should never have to suffer another day. Each one of those little ones deserves a kind, loving and understanding home where the damage can be be undone as much as possible. I pray that someone is standing up for them now. I pray that the new baby was not harmed by drugs, and that someone will love this little baby wholeheartedly.
I pray that the damage Jerice Hunter did to her children will not follow them the rest of their lives. She has taken so much from them already.

The 13 year old is truly heroic, not only for coming forward with the truth, but for trying to help Jhessye while she was still alive by bringing food and water to her when she was kept a prisoner in the closet. That took an enormous amount of courage, because if Jerice had caught the older child, that child would've paid for helping Jhessye with severe abuse also. The 13 year old knew that, but still had the guts to try and help Jhessye.

I pray that this older child is not burdened with guilt. That all belongs to Jerice. She's the one who abused and killed her 5 year old daughter. There's no way anyone could've stopped Jerice from abusing her children unless she had been denied access and opportunity. Shirley helped to make sure that Jerice had that chance, and now Jhessye is dead and the other children were further traumatized at the hands of their own mother. Grandma shares some of the blame also. Jerice is a product of her upbringing after all.

 

[Knox]

Hunter makes court appearance in missing daughter's case
http://ktar.com/6/1472417/Hunter-makes-court-appearance-in-missing-daughters-case
During her initial court appearance, Jerice Hunter gripped her arms, nodded her head and rocked back and forth as the wait got to her.

"Is this legal," she said. "They do this to everybody?"

The judge excused herself from the bench several times.

Just catching up-

Sounds like Jerice may be coming down from some kind of drug? After that statement from the Cousin we read yesterday, I'll bet the baby was removed because someone tested positive for drugs!!!

Yet another thing Shirley Johnson knows about her daughter, but neglects to mention. Remember she knew, but never said J had been home from school for a week and a half with RINGWORM!!!!!!! Why would we believe anything she says??!!

 

[Knox]

http://www.kpho.com/story/16091840/pd-to-release-new-information-in-jhessye-shockley-case

The report goes on to say the child told investigators that Hunter allegedly kept Jhessye in her mother's bedroom closet.

Police said Hunter's children who have been in Child Protective Services since soon after Jhessye's disappearance told police Jhessye has bruises on her.

So Johnson does not believe what her Grandchild says about what happened to Jhessye? Let me guess ... The foster family and CPS brainwashed her and it's all a lie right?

My heart is breaking for Jhessye and what she had to endure, my GOD!

 

[tlcya]

Oh sweet child. I am so angry right now it is best if I not post my thoughts as they would surely earn me a good long time out.

Rest Sweet baby princess, rest now.

 

[Knox]

Probable Cause Statement-

http://www.azcentral.com/ic/pdf/1122missing-glendale-girl-court-document.PDF

 

[Salem]

Didn't JH have another hearing this morning at 11:00 a.m.? Anyone seen any updates?

Salem

 

[tlcya]

Grandma Shirley is hesitant to believe her daughter could have anything to do with Jhessye's disappearance for one reason, and one reason only. Self interest. If her daughter Jerice is responsible, that means ultimately, Ms. Shirley Johnson, grandma of the year, is responsible as she is the one who gave these children back to Jerice in the first place. Without her direct and ongoing assistance the fraud I believe was perpetuated upon the system could never have existed.

If Anything, I blame Shirley Johnson even more than Jerice. Jerice is whoever she is. Grandma knew exactly who she was handing those defenseless children over to. Grandma even assisted in perpetuating the smear campaign against the only mother Jhessye had ever known til Jerice showed up - the Cousin, who spent four years loving and raising her.

I did not know it was possible for me to be angrier at someone other than the actual perp in one of these cases. But its how I feel. I need to go hme and have a really good long cry

 

[believe09]

I think it's either an error in the report or the kids got that detail wrong. It would be hard for a 13 year old to place EXACTLY when the last time her sister was seen, if it was a couple weeks ago.

One thing that's interesting to me, but doesn't mean much, is that none of the kids noticed J was dead. They described that the closet smelled like death, and described what J looked like - a zombie. I wonder why they couldn't make the connection from that that J was dead?

I dont think that many people know what dead looks like, tbh, unless they have watched it happen. For real, not on TV. Absence of life just doesnt compute. Especially at their ages. If I asked my kids today what death meant, I doubt they could clearly define it.

jmvho.

 

[believe09]

You know what I wish? I know this sounds trite, but I wish that these lovely survivors of this evil would have a safe, beautiful, bounteous holiday season. After all of the terror they have known, I wish there was a way to let them regain some kind of childhood. For at least a little while.