Deceased/Not Found AZ - Jhessye Shockley, 5, Glendale, 11 Oct 2011 - #2 *J. Hunter guilty*

[TheDuchess]

BBM Well no, the best indicator of future behavior is to review the past. No one is that unlucky. If she is accused, its logical. To say its NOT an issue would be concerning. That's going to stand out in victimology. Its circumstancial but with no other leads...

Oh, I totally agree. I am not saying that she should not be looked at and her past behavior certainly makes her suspect. My main point here is much less about Jeryce (sp?) than it is about jumping to conclusions about other people. I don't know about this situation, but certainly suspect the mom. I also know that persons of questionable character tend to surround themselves with other persons of questionable character.

My point is that her past behavior sends up red flags, but LE must follow the evidence to where it leads, unfortunately, and in my opinion, the hinky factors so many of us (including me) love to fall back on when there is a lack of any actual evidence is not always a reliable indicator to guilt, necessarily.

I would not be surprised one bit if she is involved. But I do tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and if it is true she was asked to hold off on the LDT until after the baby is born, and does actually take one, we'll see where that goes from there. That said, I don't lend a lot of credence to those tests anyway.

What I do try to avoid is the natural reaction to try to read into non-verbal cues as a way to determine someone's guilt or innocence. If we suspect a parent and they don't talk, we blame them for that. If they do talk and aren't falling to pieces, we blame them for that. If they do fall to pieces, we say they are bad actors. It is nearly impossible to figure out what is inside someone's head-particlarly if we have never met the person.

People are hoodwinked every day by those closest to them, marital infidelity, substance abuse problems, financial problems, etc... To think we can possibly know what happened by watching or not watching an interview with a person is pretty far reaching that is all.

This is all JMO.

 

[TheDuchess]

ETA-I was convinced that Mark Lunsford and Elizabeth Smart's dad were guilty! I regret that and try to avoid doing that again in the future.

 

[angelmom]

Hmmm....I took this the exact opposite way.

I'm glad she did this interview. It is the first glimmer I've had that maybe Jhessye really was taken. Jerice seems very sincere and distraught, and I found myself feeling terrible for her.

Is it possible she's just gotten some very bad advice? I mean, who better to blame for a missing child than a mother with this kind of track record?

Up until this interview I thought there was no way that anyone but Jerice was responsible. I wouldn't say I'm back on the fence, but I'm questioning.

 

[Knox]

Missing girl’s mom gives first sit-down interview
http://www.kpho.com/story/16004337/missing-girls-mom-gives-first-sit-down-interview

Jerice Hunter, whose 5-year-old daughter Jhessye Shockley has been missing for more than a month, sat down Wednesday night in her first one-on-one interview since her daughter's disappearance.

She spoke with Jerice for over an hour. The above was just a snippet, with the remainder of the interviews to be trickled out in segments. How irritating!!!

In one of her 1st interviews Jerice referred to Jhessye as a human being. She referred to her kids in this interview again, as human beings. Am I over analyzing or putting too much emphasis on her use of this description? It caught my attention in the early interviews, strikes me as a strange, almost non-maternal?

 

[tlcya]

the "human being" comment as pertains to Jhessye may have been prompted by LE telling her it was important to "humanize" Jhessye to her abductor when speaking about her to the press.

As to her referring to her other children as "human beings" I think this is yet another pointed attempt to paint CPS as the bad guys for stealing away her kids and locking them away like animals (a statement she has made or similar to a statement she has made in previous interview).

 

[Knox]

Thank you tlc-

I missed her statement, "locking them away like animals". What a bizarre way to describe CPS removing your children?

 

[Caligram]

I believe that Jerice and her mother are all too familiar with dealing with the law, and the terminology to use to play upon the sympathies of the average law-abiding citizen.
She got out of jail and served only four years. The child abuse charges she was convicted of were horrific. This person does not fear the law, nor does she respect it. She doesn't work to support her children, she works the system for all she can get.
Her living children, when they were removed recently, had both old and new scars from beatings. I hope for their sake, those remaining children are never placed with her again.

MOO

 

[tlcya]

Thank you tlc-

I missed her statement, "locking them away like animals". What a bizarre way to describe CPS removing your children?

Okay, just to be sure I was remembering correctly I went back to thread one and found her exact statement which was as follows:

“You done locked my other kids away like primates in a laboratory,” she said.

This statement was given during a rally for Jhessye held on Monday, October 24, 2011

ETA link http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/25/mom-begs-for-missing-5-year-old’s-return-at-rally/

I recall we were all aghast at such a statement and many of us thought it was a very calculated with the intent of furthering racial tensions and deflecting her own wrongdoings of the past.

 

[tlcya]

Caligram, thank you for your post, I can tell you feel passionately about poor Jhessye as do many of us. Could you elaborate or link anything regarding the old and new scars from beatings that you mentioned the children having on this recent removal? I had not read or heard about that. Thank you in advance for your assistance. I just hate when I miss something of import like that.

 

[Knox]

Again, thank you tlcox. I did not see that statement at the time it was made, nor did I read back I guess.

I won't even repeat what Jerice said, its wrong, just so very wrong.

 

[Caligram]

Caligram, thank you for your post, I can tell you feel passionately about poor Jhessye as do many of us. Could you elaborate or link anything regarding the old and new scars from beatings that you mentioned the children having on this recent removal? I had not read or heard about that. Thank you in advance for your assistance. I just hate when I miss something of import like that.

Hi ti
The link was posted on WS on 10/13 #77. Here it is:

http://www.kpho.com/story/15691075/cbs-5-uncovers-troubled-past-of-jahessyes-mother-and-father

Somewhere after that became public knowledge copies of the court documents were posted in the media. When she was sentenced parole was off the table. So I guess soon as she got out she grabbed her meal tickets and got the heck out of California. She was pregnant with Jhessye when she was sentenced to jail, and they even dropped the torture charges that she was originally accused of in CA.

Why isn't there a follow-up done on these "part-timers". Early release does not mean the felon has been cured. It means that the jails are too crowded. I am spitting mad, this was such a mistake.

 

[Knox]

Caligram in your post above you said ...

Her living children, when they were removed recently, had both old and new scars from beatings.

Arizona CPS states there were no visible signs of abuse?

A spokesperson for Child Protective Services said they had been consulted, and that none of the children had visible signs of injuries.
http://www.kpho.com/story/15691075/cbs-5-uncovers-troubled-past-of-jahessyes-mother-and-father

 

[Indy Anna]

What bothers me about JH whenever she speaks publicly is the hostility in her voice. I can understand a parent with a missing child speaking with a great deal of emotion and maybe some people do express their emotions differently. But, the clips of her remind me of someone I knew when I worked in a group home. Four other staff members called attention to bruising on the back of a resident. They claimed he had the large bruise after he returned home with a male staff member, while the male staff member claimed the resident already had the bruise before he left with him. When I questioned all five of the staff members just trying to determine how and where the resident got the bruise, the male staff member whose story contradicted that of the other four became very hostile and defensive. He demanded that I take his word over that of the other staff members simply because that's what he said happened. It strikes me that JH has the same attitude. Everything happened the way she said it did and we're to take her word over the word of anyone who suggests otherwise. The hostility, IMO, is an intimidation ploy. It has worked with her children, so she expects it to work with LE, the media and the public.

Where are you, Jahessye?

 

[Caligram]

Caligram in your post above you said ...

Arizona CPS states there were no visible signs of abuse?

Knox ~ Thanks for calling this to my attention. I had read about the continued abuse from an article on another site. The news media that published the article is called azcentral.com Perhaps they aren't recognized as authentic media sites. The aunt who was one of four who raised Jhessye said that she had called CPS in AZ several times, and they claimed they found to problems.

I will be happy to delete the continued abuse from my posts, but I don't know how to go back and do that. I am sorry as I would not deliberately and knowingly post unverified comments.

 

[Donjeta]

Knox ~ Thanks for calling this to my attention. I had read about the continued abuse from an article on another site. The news media that published the article is called azcentral.com Perhaps they aren't recognized as authentic media sites. The aunt who was one of four who raised Jhessye said that she had called CPS in AZ several times, and they claimed they found to problems.

I will be happy to delete the continued abuse from my posts, but I don't know how to go back and do that. I am sorry as I would not deliberately and knowingly post unverified comments.

If you don't see an edit button in the lower right corner of the post it's too old to be edited and you'll have to ask a mod to do it for you.

 

[Donjeta]

"My children are my life and anybody who knows that, who knows me, knows that," Hunter said. "Not only am I sending a desperate plea out for Jhessey Shockley's safe return, I'd like to also make a plea for my other children because they are people. They're human beings all of them and they need their mom," Hunter said.

This woman makes me see red. If her children are her life, well then, maybe she should not have tortured her life. Maybe she should have remembered that they're human beings before beating them up. The children need a mom who does not give them scars to last for a lifetime.
http://www.kpho.com/story/16004337/missing-girls-mom-gives-first-sit-down-interview

 

[Knox]

Knox ~ Thanks for calling this to my attention. I had read about the continued abuse from an article on another site. The news media that published the article is called azcentral.com Perhaps they aren't recognized as authentic media sites. The aunt who was one of four who raised Jhessye said that she had called CPS in AZ several times, and they claimed they found to problems.

I will be happy to delete the continued abuse from my posts, but I don't know how to go back and do that. I am sorry as I would not deliberately and knowingly post unverified comments.

Hi Caligram, no worries at all. Of course you wouldn't post anything misleading. I know exactly the story you are referring to. The cousin's reported Jerice to CPS because they suspected abuse. IIRC, it was back in February of this year. But, CPS responded and stated they found no signs of abuse.

I'm glad you reminded me of this, so thank you. Others have pointed out that CPS should be linked State to State, with a Nation Wide Database. Had a system like this been in place, CPS would have known Jerice did not have custody of the children and could have removed them from her care.

I still think there is going to be some impropriety brought to light in regards to benefits being paid to the Grandmother in California for children who were not even living in her home. That errand the day J disappeared was to pick up money from the Grandmother. She's in trouble in more ways than we probably know.

 

[Kat]

Okay, just to be sure I was remembering correctly I went back to thread one and found her exact statement which was as follows:

“You done locked my other kids away like primates in a laboratory,” she said.

This statement was given during a rally for Jhessye held on Monday, October 24, 2011

ETA link http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/25/mom-begs-for-missing-5-year-old’s-return-at-rally/

I recall we were all aghast at such a statement and many of us thought it was a very calculated with the intent of furthering racial tensions and deflecting her own wrongdoings of the past.

Bolded by me:

That has to be one of the probably one of the top ten *oddest* statements I have seen a parent of a missing child make.

I have a what the heck look on my face right now.

JMHO

 

[Knox]

Indyanna here is more of what you talked about in your post above. Another snippet of her interview. Note the way she keeps saying "Mam" to the reporter, she attacks everyone she comes in contact with. Lord I hope she NEVER gets any of these kids back. I think she's damaged beyond repair and shouldn't have the opportunity to pass this on.

More deflection on a grand scale. Does this sound like a person who truly regrets what she has done in the past or is she just justifying why she did, what she did?

As you listen to her, remember what the case records state. She had her RSO husband hold down her naked daughter on the bed, while she beat her with an extension cord. That's keeping them on the "straight and narrow"?


If you scroll over the video box there are 4 segments. Listen to them all ...
http://www.kpho.com/story/16004337/missing-girls-mom-gives-first-sit-down-interview

 

[Marigold]

Knox ~ Thanks for calling this to my attention. I had read about the continued abuse from an article on another site. The news media that published the article is called azcentral.com Perhaps they aren't recognized as authentic media sites. The aunt who was one of four who raised Jhessye said that she had called CPS in AZ several times, and they claimed they found to problems.

I will be happy to delete the continued abuse from my posts, but I don't know how to go back and do that. I am sorry as I would not deliberately and knowingly post unverified comments.

BBM. I know most everyone here isn't familiar with the local press, so I hope no one minds if I try to clear up any confusion. Azcentral.com is the home site for both the local NBC affiliate (KPNX) and the Arizona Republic. The Republic is the state's largest newspaper and the tenth largest in the country. Although I'm not a big fan of either, I would like to say that they are recognized as "authentic media" both locally and nationally.