AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #3

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Just letting a few brain marbles roll around...

Clearly, it is in our self-interest to study what conditions may contribute to psychopathy and the purposeful manipulation of others. I think organized religion is a great place to harbor these dysfunctions because they have the unknown to fill in as they choose. No shade to organized religion.

All just my opinion- How do you stimulate these behaviors in a person with whatever genetics may predispose them to pschopathy?

1. Focus on superficial appearance at the expense of lived experience. It is better to look good than to be good. Dysfunction does not matter if it is covered with an attractive veneer, and exterior beauty is the most valued trait a person can have.

2. Focus on inauthentic expression of emotions or suppressing emotions . Act happy/perky when you are sad, angry, etc. Our emotions are our translation of what we see in the world. If you distrust and hate your emotions you learn to sever and numb them. A person who is untethered from their own interpretation/language of emotions is vulnerable to manipulation and they lose all internal standards of appropriate behavior. It can turn someone into a puppet or a pure "id" personality. (An aside, I think this also causes much of substance abuse.) We need our feelings.

3. Focus on control as a theme song and hierarchy governs who has control. You are either one of the passengers or the driver. If you do not have the apparent hierarchical privilege, your ONLY option to feel control is to manipulate someone who does. Manipulation is the child of powerlessness, and we all need a sense of agency.

4. Focus on one's specialness regardless of one's contributions or skills, and excuses are made for behavior that violates the social contract. No consequences. "Doesn't count for me" was Lori's refrain. Lori really has not acheived anything in her life (including an enduring loving relationship with her children) and she mines credibility and prestige from the people around her, particularly men. eg-Lori loves to mention that Charles was a semi-pro baseball player.

We need feedback from the other humans to tell us when we've crossed the line. It is the consequences that constitute the feedback. No consquences? No feedback, and no lesson. I think it was Annie Cushing who brilliantly called this a kind of echolocation between humans.

You have to recognize that you are no more or less special than others for this feedback to mean anything to you, though. You also need to echolocate in a community of others who are truthful about the harm you are doing and who care about the harm you are doing. I don't think an organized religion can accomplish this goal unless it is a dynamic rather than just a container made of rules.
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An excellent post and I'd say that your marbles ended up in a row.

Your thoughts reminded me a lot of what Dr.van der Vaart observations and thoughts are on LVD.
He uses some clips from the documentary "Sins Of Our Mother" and did the video after her conviction.
I don't know if he has any follow-up ones on this trial.

I found much of what he has said about LVD up until she met CD and then what took place within her when they met quite fascinating and freaking frightening.
Religion is woven throughtout.



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Megan Conner, Lori Daybell's cousin, will join us tonight for a bit. Megan is attending the trial. Can't wait to hear what she has observed.
We go live at 11 PM Eastern, 10 PM Central, 9 PM Mountain and 8 PM Pacific.
Hope you will join us.


Watching this episode and enjoying it, except for one problem. Needs more pug time. 🐶
 
One person I would have liked to see testify is April Raymond. She can fill in that period in February when LVD went missing. She's a friend from Hawaii and saw her there that month and learned from LVD about zombies and Ned. One thing she said was when she asked LVD how she knew that it was Ned and not Charles anymore, LVD said because he was shorter. 😲😂

 
One person I would have liked to see testify is April Raymond. She can fill in that period in February when LVD went missing. She's a friend from Hawaii and saw her there that month and learned from LVD about zombies and Ned. One thing she said was when she asked LVD how she knew that it was Ned and not Charles anymore, LVD said because he was shorter. 😲😂

That was interesting and since I didn't follow LVD's and CD's trials I'm trying to catch up a bit on all the people involved.
AR was a well spoken witness for the state.
The defense lawyer sounded more like a prosecutor and until the end I couldn't figure out what the hell he was trying to prove to help his client.
LVD telling AR that she needs to leave her children with her husband and join her and her group.
We know at that time LVD left CD and JJ and she had no plans to take JJ just TR so I wish AR asked her what she was going to do with TR?
Also the first I've heard of a chiropractor aunt.
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<snipped> MBP saw with her own eyes that Tylee and JJ were nowhere to be seen for weeks when she lived nextdoor to Lori in Rexburg <snipped>
Just to clarify the MBP timeline here…

MBP moved to Rexburg after the trip to Hawaii with LVD & AB - on 10/31 - AC drove the moving truck on Halloween night. LVD went to Hawaii a few days later (on 11/3) to marry CD. LE located Tylee’s jeep the next day and knocked on MBP’s door asking her about who lived next door. I don’t recall exactly when CD & LVD returned from Hawaii but about a week after that MBP was in UT at BB’s parent’s home and arrested for trespassing. A few days after that she started dating IP & about a week later CD & LVD go to CA for Thanksgiving with the Daybell kids before traveling on to Hawaii.

So technically MBP did live next door to LVD for weeks but they really weren’t even in town at the same time for very much of those few weeks. So MBP actually would have had more of an opportunity to notice Tylee & JJ’s absence on her visits to Rexburg before moving there than she did after moving there.
 
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One person I would have liked to see testify is April Raymond. She can fill in that period in February when LVD went missing. She's a friend from Hawaii and saw her there that month and learned from LVD about zombies and Ned. One thing she said was when she asked LVD how she knew that it was Ned and not Charles anymore, LVD said because he was shorter. 😲😂

I had totally forgotten about Ned being shorter than CV. Wow
 
Are we keeping Brandon's trial info here or are we moving to his own thread?


I did not know he had his own thread. I guess we will have to ask @Tricia - are we staying here or going over to Brandon's thread for his trial??

TIA! :)
 
I did not know he had his own thread. I guess we will have to ask @Tricia - are we staying here or going over to Brandon's thread for his trial??

TIA! :)
Let me look at this as soon as I am on my laptop later tonight. Thanks for bringing this up
 
Watching it now. This woman and Chad have damaged so many people beyond her immediate family.
Including AlexC, corrupting his religion and manipulating him. Free agent, he's accountable for what he did, but I hold Tarzan and Jane or whatever their made up names were responsible for the whole swath of destruction. I know AlexC died of natural causes (a bloodclot iirc) but that doesn't mean the jungle swingers didn't contribute to his poor health.

They're corrupt, the both of them.

JMO
 
They reset the schedule yesterday.

May 14 10 am for final trial management conference; and for 404b hearing; and to discuss juror questionnaire, which will go out May 21 till May 27
May 29 1 pm to go over questionnaire responses
May 30 10 am trial begins (may be different courtroom this time)
June 2 to June 6 trial
June 9 to June 13 trial
June 16 to June 20 dark (no trial dates)
June 23 to June 25 trial if needed

They may also have longer court days this time if needed.
 
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