AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #4

[Izzylizzy]

Yeah, I thought she was a bit defensive about Carl. Also seemed in disbelief that someone in the public emailed the court, like it was somehow their fault that started all this.

Someone was concerned, they wrote to the Court. If anything, the Judge was the one who said the video must be showed to Lori. We shouldn’t blame someone from the public for voicing what they felt was a concern. It’s not their role to determine if there’s a legit concern, they left that up to the court and obviously we know now what the court decided to do with that. Even without that one issue, Lori raises several other issues that don’t involve the jury and we probably would’ve seen this without someone from the public writing in. It’s one small piece of her motion, not all of it. JMOO.

We knew the appeal was on it's way and Karl would probably be added to it and unless it's found out that Karl mentioned the 3 life sentences during deliberations I see it going nowhere.
That said it's mindbogglingly to me that Lauren must somehow believe that him knowing about the 3 life sentences is a non-issue when it would disqualify a juror during the trial should the judge have become aware of it.
IMO

 

[aafromaa]

We knew the appeal was on it's way and Karl would probably be added to it and unless it's found out that Karl mentioned the 3 life sentences during deliberations I see it going nowhere.
That said it's mindbogglingly to me that Lauren must somehow believe that him knowing about the 3 life sentences is a non-issue when it would disqualify a juror during the trial should the judge have become aware of it.
IMO

I think Lauren and many others are letting wishful thinking cloud their judgement. If this wasn’t LVD or some other despicable person - if this was just a trial we didn’t even follow but only heard what that juror said without knowing any details of the case - just the juror’s statement to the press, we would probably all agree it was juror misconduct and that a new trial was likely and we might even agree one was necessary. But we do all know what a despicable person she is and we all hate the idea of her getting a new trial and it’s easier to try to talk ourselves out of that idea than it is to accept it..

 

[Gigiky]

Without a doubt Karl failing to do his duty as a Juror will allow LVD to get a do over.
But what really burns my a$$ is if LVD didn't do all the things she did ( murdering her children) we wouldn't even be having any of these conversation. So now Karl is the bad guy for probably not being the brightest bulb in the box. And I really believe that is the issue with Karl! And yes I understand that everyone gets to have their day in court. And yes I said...gets.. not deserves. All that LVD deserves is to be drop into the lower pits of he!!. JMO!

 

[indicolite22]

From the get-go I've been very confused why Lauren is so obviously on the defense about Karl?

SBM. IMO she is biased because she is friends with some of Charles' family and wants to spare them another trial.

 

[Niner]

from court site:

Charles' case:

Case Documents
Filing Date Description Docket Date/Filing Party
5/1/2025 PPM – Pro Per Motion/Notice/Mail - Party (001) 5/2/2025/Defendant(2)
NOTE: Motion for New Trial

Case Calendar
Date Time Event
5/30/2025 10:00 Status Conference


link: Criminal Court Case Information - Case History

nothing new on Brandon's cases.

 

[Izzylizzy]

I believe this was the juror was the same juror who was caught on his phone and then asked a very specific question, one so specific it apparently concerned the State. See attached from EastIdaahoNews, day 2 updates

IMOO this only helps Lori’s current arguments, because even the State brought up a concern about a juror and phone access. Nevertheless the Judge remained seemingly nonchalant about enforcing the “no phones” rule and here we are today. Not great.

IMO:
During the trial was this Karl's 3x ignoring instructions from the judge?
1. Texting with daughter.
2. Talking about his issues with Social Security with another juror during LVD's questioning of SS witnesses.

3. We now know from Lauren's interview with Karl that he was the one who asked the court the medical questions about what was and what wasn't done to CV when LE/medics arrived?

 

[303gmf]

SBM. IMO she is biased because she is friends with some of Charles' family and wants to spare them another trial.

Don’t we all?

 

[indicolite22]

Don’t we all?

We are just spectators. I don't think the public should get involved to the point where they can affect a case.

 

[Izzylizzy]

We are just spectators. I don't think the public should get involved to the point where they can affect a case.

None of us including Lauren/reporters can effect the outcome of this case on appeal.
Lauren is doing herself a great injustice as a reporter, she comes across more as a therapist who's been comforting Karl.

IMO

 

[Tortoise]

IMO:
During the trial was this Karl's 3x ignoring instructions from the judge?
1. Texting with daughter.
2. Talking about his issues with Social Security with another juror during LVD's questioning of SS witnesses.

3. We now know from Lauren's interview with Karl that he was the one who asked the court the medical questions about what was and what wasn't done to CV when LE/medics arrived?

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Judge should have got rid of this juror before deliberations started IMO. All these issues, and I'm not surprised it's him who is the subject of misconduct allegations.

 

[Megnut]

Judge should have got rid of this juror before deliberations started IMO. All these issues, and I'm not surprised it's him who is the subject of misconduct allegations.

At the first sign...

 

[Megnut]

Our judicial system is arguably one of the best, but it is remarkable that the backbone of a fair trial is the jury, regular folk from regular walks of life. Remarkable and a little scary. It's like taking a random cross section of drivers off a busy highway and then asking them to perform truth surgery. Smart people, dumb people, people who drive for a living, people who are texting and driving, people who are half asleep, people whose cars are taped together and run on prayer, people who are on their way to church, people who drove the get away car and were never caught, people who bring meals to shut ins and people who have no moral compass. People who follow the rules, adhere to the speed limit, those who don't, and those who drive slow in the left lane with their turn signal on. And they all get a chance to serve...

What's remarkable is that there aren't 100 car pile ups on the road and jury blow ups in the courtroom. Every single day. Crazy it ever works.

I'm not sure I can stomach a repeat.

Will the appeal be tabled until the BB trial ends? Translate nothing, LVD is going to have to CLONE herself so she can represent herself against murder charges on several courtrooms at once.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Irony.

If the judge had dismissed the 15th juror at any point during the trial, LVD would have lost one of only two fence sitters. Would the new panel of 12 have a new fence sitter, back to two, or a guilt finder, thus holding steady at one?

And if the 15th juror did do research on his own and alerted the judge to his having done so, would the judge have dismissed him, or polled him and felt he could remain impartial?

It's just ironic that he was, in many ways, partial to the Defense. Had he been removed, the jury may have returned the sane guilty verdict, only faster.

JMO

 

[indicolite22]

None of us including Lauren/reporters can effect the outcome of this case on appeal.
Lauren is doing herself a great injustice as a reporter, she comes across more as a therapist who's been comforting Karl.

IMO

Karl might still get away with it, depending on what he will tell the judge (if he is called to explain his statements). Other people might (try to) influence that. Perhaps he needs advice from an attorney.

 

[Izzylizzy]

LVD's defense can alleKarl might still get away with it, depending on what he will tell the judge (if he is called to explain his statements). Other people might (try to) influence that. Perhaps he needs advice from an attorney.

IIRC from when juror misconduct allegations had been floated in another murder trial first comes the trial judge Justin Beresky's investigation of Karl and other jurors and if he does not find that Karl's actions rise to juror misconduct and did not effect the jury's guilty verdict then LVD can appeal Beresky's decision to the appellate court and after reviewing the judge's not finding juror misconduct the appellate court can order a new trial or not.

I have no idea what a lawyer's advice would be for Karl.
He doesn't appear to have any respect for the laws that apply to jurors.
IMO:

 

[Little Jack]

I was thinking about this juror misconduct issue and how difficult it is in this day and age to keep jurors ignorant of all the media coverage and discussion of highly publicized trials. It made me wonder if the judge in the Erin Patterson mushroom case was thinking along these lines when advising the jury that there had been charges of previous murder attempts that had been dropped and they must disregard them. Perhaps the judge wanted to avoid a situation like this by attempting to get ahead of the story?

 

[aafromaa]

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I'm not sure I can stomach a repeat.

Will the appeal be tabled until the BB trial ends? Translate nothing, LVD is going to have to CLONE herself so she can represent herself against murder charges on several courtrooms at once.

JMO

Just to clarify… It isn’t an appeal - at least not yet - this is not an appeal to a higher court - this is a request to the trial court for a new trial. If denied it can be appealed to a higher court and that would take time and likely happen after the trial for conspiracy to murder BB. I suspect we will see the state’s response to the motion for a new trial soon - likely in the coming week - and then I expect the court to schedule a hearing on the motion and make it’s ruling regarding a new trial.

Unless the state can overcome the burden of proving how this juror’s conduct would not have changed the verdict - and I can’t really imagine how they would do that - but unless they do, I expect the court to order a new trial.

I definitely could be wrong but I do not expect it to change the next trial from moving forward because of LVD’s insistence of a speedy trial. I expect a new trial to be scheduled at some point after the conclusion of the next one but have no idea what that timeline might look like.

 

[Megnut]

Just to clarify… It isn’t an appeal - at least not yet - this is not an appeal to a higher court - this is a request to the trial court for a new trial. If denied it can be appealed to a higher court and that would take time and likely happen after the trial for conspiracy to murder BB. I suspect we will see the state’s response to the motion for a new trial soon - likely in the coming week - and then I expect the court to schedule a hearing on the motion and make it’s ruling regarding a new trial.

Unless the state can overcome the burden of proving how this juror’s conduct would not have changed the verdict - and I can’t really imagine how they would do that - but unless they do, I expect the court to order a new trial.

I definitely could be wrong but I do not expect it to change the next trial from moving forward because of LVD’s insistence of a speedy trial. I expect a new trial to be scheduled at some point after the conclusion of the next one but have no idea what that timeline might look like.

Except you know she'll say it's a violation of her Constitutional right to a speedy trial to push one back. She'll sell remedy in dropping the charges. Not saying that ship will sail just predicting how she'll try to control the sea.

If she is granted a new trial, I wonder how it would compare to the first.

I predict more tears and a taller bump-it in her hair.

With the same outcome.

JMO

 

[aafromaa]

Except you know she'll say it's a violation of her Constitutional right to a speedy trial to push one back. She'll sell remedy in dropping the charges. Not saying that ship will sail just predicting how she'll try to control the sea.

If she is granted a new trial, I wonder how it would compare to the first.

I predict more tears and a taller bump-it in her hair.

With the same outcome.

JMO

If I’m not mistaken court has 60 days from date motion for new trial is submitted to rule on that motion and if new trial is granted it must begin within 60 days of that ruling. Would the judge wait 60 days to rule LVD’s motion? He might if he wants to be sure the trial regarding attempt on BB goes according to schedule. Or if he isn’t going to grant a new trial he might rule on it sooner just so it isn’t hanging over the next trial.

Either way, I don’t see it changing the upcoming trial dates and either way it creates a mess for the prosecution to have to step around in the next trial. And either way, I also think it will be the same outcome.

 

[Luna20]

Nooooooooooo, don't take out TV away. I say take away LVD's prison makeup, her ragtie curlers and --who coined this?-- her shih tzu doo (perfect description!)

Let her show her ugly soul, unadorned.

JMO

And the evidence will show that she is still guilty!