AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #5

[LinasK]

She is pulling out all stops to delay selection of jury, etc.

Then if jury selection goes on without her being in the room, she will try to use this to her advantage as grounds for a mistrial/retrial since the proceeding went on without her.

There is not an innocent bone in that woman's body. Everything is calculating, deceptive and manipulative.

Can the judge ORDER a doctor to examine her?

If it is a fake illness, isn't that Contempt of Court?

Can you imagine trying to live with someone like this, re: her 2 ex husbands? Worse than hell.

Seems like there should be a jailhouse doctor on site.

 

[LinasK]

LVD is a narcissist with a complete self focus - no question whatsoever. In general, I see no benefit to ever cater to her whims. And I think the judge is very aware that LVD - in general, and in her similarity to how prisoners can be - could be faking or just lazy and not wanting to participate.

However --- people do get sick. And when you're sick, with things like ongoing nausea and what comes with it, you feel like total crap and can't really navigate life until you get well.

The judge didn't take her word for it, and hauled her into court to check it out. But to be fair, he shouldn't act like he wasn't told, or that LVD getting sick isn't possible. Oddly, she's human - very much so in every way, even if she at times tells herself otherwise.

To be honest, if I was nauseous and weak, I have to admit I would be saying and doing almost the exact same things that LVD is saying and doing. I wouldn't want to be dragged somewhere to prove I'm sick (making me feel even worse). I wouldn't want to engage with others. I would be aware I didn't choose to be sick and just want to be allowed to recuperate. There is NOTHING in what she's asking that's any different than anyone else.

In general, I don't want to side with LVD because of her life choices, but when someone is truly sick (which is very possible here, who knows) then we need to treat them as we would want to be treated. It may be inconvenient to the court for a defendant to get sick, but it's not something they can choose, and if it happens, be fair and considerate, and circle back to the trial when the sickness has passed.

Just my 2c.

Then she needs to be seen by the jailhouse doctor to verify that she's ill/has a fever, what's been done to treat her...

 

[wnk]

In general, I don't want to side with LVD because of her life choices, but when someone is truly sick (which is very possible here, who knows) then we need to treat them as we would want to be treated. It may be inconvenient to the court for a defendant to get sick, but it's not something they can choose, and if it happens, be fair and considerate, and circle back to the trial when the sickness has passed.

It's absolutely inconvenient, but they also can't ask all the jurors and witnesses to just put their lives on pause until LVD decides she's feeling well enough to participate in her trial. The judge has to consider everyone involved, not just the defendant.

This is just a speculation off the top of my head regarding the Judge insisting that the Defendant ( who also acting as her own Attorney) be present in Court.

Could it be that the Judge wants any all actions ( statements made, motions and rulings etc) to be On the Record?

IMO, this is absolutely what's going on. From my understanding, she weren't representing herself, her lawyer would have been able to appear on her behalf and ask for a delay. Because LVD is insisting on representing herself, everything HAS TO go through her.

 

[Megnut]

Seems like there should be a jailhouse doctor on site.

I'm guessing jails don't mess around, especially post pandemic. They don't need an outbreak.

LD had no proof she'd requested medical treatment of any kind. Kind of an important document if you want the judge to believe you're actually sick.

I'm sick. I'm really sick. I'm really ill. I probably have a fever.

Her proof? Besides the wheelchair prop? That the transport team felt bad for her. That's it. That's her showing. For disrupting court. For disrupting the State's witness schedule.

I must admit, I'm a little surprised she didn't perform some dry heaving.

She REALLY didn't want to be filmed today. I wonder why.

JMO

 

[Cindizzi]

'I'm sick, your Honor': Lori Vallow Daybell pleads with judge as jury selection is delayed again

Courtroom video from the Judicial Branch of Arizona in Maricopa County shows the exchange between so-called "Doomsday Mom" Lori Vallow Daybell and Judge Justin Beresky as she put jury selection on hold due to her ongoing illness. Vallow Daybell is representing herself in her last Arizona trial...

www.fox10phoenix.com

 

[Cindizzi]

It's absolutely inconvenient, but they also can't ask all the jurors and witnesses to just put their lives on pause until LVD decides she's feeling well enough to participate in her trial. The judge has to consider everyone involved, not just the defendant.

IMO, this is absolutely what's going on. From my understanding, she weren't representing herself, her lawyer would have been able to appear on her behalf and ask for a delay. Because LVD is insisting on representing herself, everything HAS TO go through her.

Yep you’re correct. I just finished watching the entire hearing that I posted a minute ago from Justin Lum’s tweet and Fox10.
At the end when she starts crying and saying it’s a lot of pressure for her to take tomorrow off and be well enough on Wednesday.
The Judge says yes, I probably will drag you back in here on Wednesday because you are representing yourself and therefore no one else can waive your appearance.

 

[aafromaa]

She did have a scrunched up tissue in her hand at a previous hearing. IMO she might be sick, but is also playing a sympathy card big time. There isn't a moment when Lori isn't calculating.

I’m thinking along the same lines…she might be sick…but is exaggerating it and trying to use it to manipulate the court. The judge is a step ahead of her but stuck between whether or not she is really that sick and her right to represent herself.

 

[Megnut]

Yep you’re correct. I just finished watching the entire hearing that I posted a minute ago from Justin Lum’s tweet and Fox10.
At the end when she starts crying and saying it’s a lot of pressure for her to take tomorrow off and be well enough on Wednesday.
The Judge says yes, I probably will drag you back in here on Wednesday because you are representing yourself and therefore no one else can waive your appearance.

How exactly does that put pressure on her? Like she can or can't make herself better?

He's not asking her to do that.

But it won't be enough to come back on Wednesday and say she's still illish. She had better have a treatment report.

I wonder what remedy he has if she keeps claiming sickness without proof.

Aggravating, to be sure.

JMO

 

[Cindizzi]

How exactly does that put pressure on her? Like she can or can't make herself better?

He's not asking her to do that.

But it won't be enough to vibe back and say she'll illish. She had better have a treatment report.

I wonder what remedy he has if she keeps claiming sickness without proof.

Aggravating, to be sure.

JMO

I’m by no means taking up for her, but I think perhaps she really did request medical yesterday (Sunday) in hopes that she would get out of appearing today.

When Judge asked if she filed tank orders, she said yes that she did it on the tablet. Most jails these days provide iPads for inmate to use.
She whined that she had not even heard back about it and that it takes forever.
I don’t know who, but a male voice spoke up and told the Judge that it usually takes about 24 hours.
So she probably can’t go much longer without providing some proof.
Jmo

 

[Megnut]

I’m by no means taking up for her, but I think perhaps she really did request medical yesterday (Sunday) in hopes that she would get out of appearing today.

When Judge asked if she filed tank orders, she said yes that she did it on the tablet. Most jails these days provide iPads for inmate to use.
She whined that she had not even heard back about it and that it takes forever.
I don’t know who, but a male voice spoke up and told the Judge that it usually takes about 24 hours.
So she probably can’t go much longer without providing some proof.
Jmo

Fair.

I admit, I don't have the judge's patience.

It's just that she was sick on Friday so it's not like it sneaked up on her on Sunday. Plus she's been incarcerated a long time, surely she knows the process.

She didn't sound sick to me. She sounded .... performative.

But I am willing to eat  crow buttered popcorn if I'm wrong.

JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

 

[Gigiky]

LVD is a narcissist with a complete self focus - no question whatsoever. In general, I see no benefit to ever cater to her whims. And I think the judge is very aware that LVD - in general, and in her similarity to how prisoners can be - could be faking or just lazy and not wanting to participate.

However --- people do get sick. And when you're sick, with things like ongoing nausea and what comes with it, you feel like total crap and can't really navigate life until you get well.

The judge didn't take her word for it, and hauled her into court to check it out. But to be fair, he shouldn't act like he wasn't told, or that LVD getting sick isn't possible. Oddly, she's human - very much so in every way, even if she at times tells herself otherwise.

To be honest, if I was nauseous and weak, I have to admit I would be saying and doing almost the exact same things that LVD is saying and doing. I wouldn't want to be dragged somewhere to prove I'm sick (making me feel even worse). I wouldn't want to engage with others. I would be aware I didn't choose to be sick and just want to be allowed to recuperate. There is NOTHING in what she's asking that's any different than anyone else.

In general, I don't want to side with LVD because of her life choices, but when someone is truly sick (which is very possible here, who knows) then we need to treat them as we would want to be treated. It may be inconvenient to the court for a defendant to get sick, but it's not something they can choose, and if it happens, be fair and considerate, and circle back to the trial when the sickness has passed.

Just my 2c.

Maybe LD and CD could have been more considerate and circled back round and ask JJ and Tylee when would be a more convenient time to be murdered.JMO

 

[Cindizzi]

Fair.

I admit, I don't have the judge's patience.

It's just that she was sick on Friday so it's not like it sneaked up on her on Sunday. Plus she's been incarcerated a long time, surely she knows the process.

She didn't sound sick to me. She sounded .... performative.

But I am willing to eat  crow buttered popcorn if I'm wrong.

JMO

I agree it’s ALWAYS been a sideshow performance from her. And it’s very hard to trust anything she says.
I loved that the Judge started off addressing her Illness delaying the proceedings by saying that even if there’s a mistrial or a new jury and they have to start over in July or August.. or whenever that HE would still be her Trial Judge. Lol
Maybe he was letting her know he thinks maybe she’s wrangling for a different Judge lol
Like he was saying “ nice try “.
Jmo

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

She very well may be sick, but I doubt she's so sick she can't appear. Most people can still carry on when sick. That's why this is the first time this has happened to this judge.

The wheelchair theatrics are a dead giveaway she's exaggerating.

On the other hand, there may be some jurors who wouldn't want to be in the room with a sick person.

 

[aafromaa]

My thoughts on today…..Someone may have said some or all of this…i couldn’t watch earlier in the day and haven’t read all the posts so I apologize if it’s been said. I’m really not trying to plagiarize

1) Why didn’t she put in her request to see a doctor or nurse or whatever is meant by tank orders - is that what the judge called it? Anyway why didn’t she do that Friday instead of waiting until Sunday?
2) If LVD told her standby counsel on Sun morning, did they inform the judge yesterday or did he just hear of it this morning? I know someone said he was told yesterday but brought her in today to see for himself but I can’t really see him bringing those 50 potential jurors in this morning just so he could see LVD for himself if he really was informed yesterday. I would think he would have asked court officers to come in on Sun afternoon and make some phone calls to the potential jurors and maybe suggested they call the court by 11am and let them come in at 1pm if jury selection was going to proceed. So unless I missed something that was said about it, I’m thinking that the standby attorney and legal assistant or whoever LVD told just said well it’s the weekend and didn’t bother to notify the judge until this morning which has me scratching my head since he said on Friday to let them know sooner rather than later which implied to me that he would prefer not to have to bring the remaining jury pool in today if jury selection wasn’t going to happen.
3) I’m guessing…but…if LVD’s standby counsel was co-counsel instead of just standby, wouldn’t he have been able to insist they proceed with jury selection without her?
4) LVD’s comment about maybe having fever makes no sense to me as in a post covid world those who transported her to court this morning - who drug her out of her sick bed and made her get in a wheel chair and go to court - would have insisted that the jail take 5 seconds and check her temp before they touched her. I was so wishing the judge would have said, hey I have an instant read thermometer right here, let’s just check that.
5) If a defendant who was not representing themselves was sick on a court day and didn’t want to go, wouldn’t a nurse or someone at the jail have to verify that for the court? We have a very small jail in our very small county where I live and they don’t have a nurse on staff but would be required to have one from the hospital or an EMT from the fire department or ambulance company come over and evaluate the inmate and make a report to the judge detailing symptoms observed as well as those claimed by the inmate and providing temp & bp if nothing else. And if the nurse or EMT thought the claim was legit then the judge would either proceed with the attorney’s or grant a continuance but in the meantime the jail would either take the inmate to the ER or have a doctor come to the jail if one was available. Do they not do anything like that in AZ?
6) I do not doubt she has a cold or is “sick” to some degree - though I suspect she was exaggerating - but I can’t find the least bit of sympathy for her because I cannot get past the condition of the remains of her children. I’m a Christian and it is very hard for me to say I can’t find any sympathy or compassion for someone but I really can’t feel sorry for evil.
7) I do not see why she couldn’t have just let the jury be questioned for things like hardships and scheduling conflicts or prior knowledge or whatever and gotten that part out of the way since she was already at the court or if she really thought she felt that bad to let her standby counsel handle that part. I didn’t think the judge was asking her to let them question the jurors that made it past that point but only to be present while he questioned them on those basic things. Am I wrong about how that works? Does attorney questioning of jurors have to be at the same time they are excusing for hardships and such?
8) Do you think the standby counsel really was uncomfortable doing a portion of jury selection for her or do you think she was the one who was uncomfortable with it? Or do you think they were uncomfortable not because they felt they shouldn’t but because they just don’t want to have anything more to do with LVD than is absolutely necessary in their role already?

Sorry this is so lengthy but I can’t talk about this stuff with my family or friends as none of them even know who LVD is So my fellow WSers what are your thoughts on any of these points?

 

[aafromaa]

How exactly does that put pressure on her? Like she can or can't make herself better?

He's not asking her to do that.

But it won't be enough to come back on Wednesday and say she's still illish. She had better have a treatment report.

I wonder what remedy he has if she keeps claiming sickness without proof.

Aggravating, to be sure.

JMO

Megnut, I could be wrong but I think jury selection doesn’t proceed Wed or at least by the end of the week that he will declare a mistrial and release these jurors and put it back in for scheduling and start jury selection all over again and I don’t know how long that might take but I don’t think he’s going to keep these jurors (& the ones from last week) dangling much longer.

 

[Megnut]

I think LD knows/ believes she's central to the case. She's testing her boundaries.

The staccato of you.can.come.over.to.my.cell, so plucky.

Why she thinks she can control the court by just SAYING she's sick shows such entitlement.

I wonder how she'll enhance her performance for Wednesday.

JMO

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1929689997218881988

 

[Megnut]

Megnut, I could be wrong but I think jury selection doesn’t proceed Wed or at least by the end of the week that he will declare a mistrial and release these jurors and put it back in for scheduling and start jury selection all over again and I don’t know how long that might take but I don’t think he’s going to keep these jurors (& the ones from last week) dangling much longer.

I fear you're right. He is considerate. Of the jurors.

But lord, if he's forced to start over with a new jury pool....

JMO

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1929652574241935852