AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County,

[iamshadow21]

Very convenient, IMO
I still think something fishy about his death, but again, JMO

It's convenient, for him not going to jail forever, but we know anecdotally that a) that condition that killed him runs in his family, b) he didn't take care of himself/eat right for heart health, and c) he'd been under the weather, suggesting it had been developing for a while.

Also, we can't rule out extreme stress as a contributing factor - his reported comment 'I think I'm their fall guy' the night before he died suggests he'd finally caught on to his actual role rather than the one Chad dazzled him with. A sudden realisation that you're staring down the death penalty possibly four times over with no heavenly intervention would be enough to cause anyone with precarious heart health to go into a crisis.

MOO

 

[Twick]

did she use a sharpie on her eyebrows?

Quite possibly! The “jailhouse makeup” tricks are very creative.

 

[Twick]

The explanation to Colby just blew me away !!!

I mean, to blame poor Tylee for JJ's death and then commit S u i c i d e ??? Absolutely ridiculous!!
She definitely showed her flirty, narcissistic, lying personality.
I could hardly stand to watch it.
She is so self absorbed.

And that she thinks she and Chud are going to be exonerated because she had a "vision" and was told this ???
She is very much delusional and right where she should be-- LOCKED UP

I think it’s clear why she spent so much time held as “incompetent.” Her relationship with reality is of the vaguest kind.

 

[twall]

did she use a sharpie on her eyebrows?

And her toenails? She wasn't wearing socks with her slides and I noticed her toenails were a very dark color but her fingernails were normal.

 

[SteveS]

About AC's death, yes it looks suspicious on its face, because it fits everything else to assume he was killed somehow. It's an easy assumption.

But assuming AC was murdered is lazy, because it doesn't fit the mountain of proof we have that says he did indeed die by natural causes, as unlikely as that would seem.

What gets ignored is that it was NOT taken as a natural death when it happened, by LE and ME and the like.

In fact, at the point at which he died, LE didn't yet know what had happened to the children, but they had lots of suspicions. So LE and ME were hoping that AC's demise would be the key to prove that CD and LVD and their associates were murderers.

The authorities were there quickly, because 911 was called in an attempt to save him. When they saw he was dead, the "this is probably a murder" investigation started IMMEDIATELY. There was no delay -- they were looking for toxins or other some other cause that would indicate he had been murdered, and fairly sure they would find something. They did an extensive autopsy, ran every test and drug screen, asked very pointed questions of everyone, working under the obvious assumption that he HAD been killed.

Today, there's no need to wish they had AC's body to test for murder causes, because they already did that, and did it when the body was fresh, so to speak. There was nothing to find. The fact that his death was ruled to have happened by natural causes was NOT for a lack of looking, and those looks were done by the best ME types looking for anything at all that was there. Looking, looking, looking, hoping to find something, anything.

It simply wasn't there.

People die every day without being murdered, because sooner or later we all die. It can happen earlier for some, especially those who add extra issues to abuse their own health. All evidence says that's exactly what happened here. AC abused his own body in his job (iiuc he died from a blood clot, which is something that can come from long hours of travel or driving), and probably damaged his heart too with all the stress of his evil actions. And one day, it all caught up with him. What a sad waste of a life.

 

[indicolite22]

Alex's death was ruled natural, and he was cremated (which is very unusual for LDS). So, there's no digging him up to check for anything.

MOO

His death was well investigated from the get go and the final COD, issued months later after extensive toxicology tests, confirmed the initial cause of bilateral pulmonary embolism (I remember it being mentioned in the so-called "zombie letter" that came out early on). Perhaps some samples were preserved. Alex also made Google searches about his symptoms about a week before he died.

 

[indicolite22]

I think it’s clear why she spent so much time held as “incompetent.” Her relationship with reality is of the vaguest kind.

Saying that Tylee killed JJ accidentally and then herself isn't being delusional. She is straight up lying and she knows it because she was there when they died (they also died two weeks apart). A sane manipulating murderer would try the same tactic. (IMO) Perhaps the delusional part is about her talking to Jesus and getting free one day but certainly her belief that anyone would buy her story. She doesn't have too many options explaining two children dying in her care. She blamed Charles for his own death, too. I wonder how she would explain Tammy and Brandon getting shot at. Her niece once insinuated in court that Brandon's family was in the mafia and Brandon made her attorney pay for it.

 

[indicolite22]

Lori is using the same tactic on the general public that she used on her cult members, which goes along the lines of "Trust me, I talk to Jesus." and "Chad and I are on a special mission (and will be vindicated)". It worked on MG, ZP, MB and others who left the cult early. But this time she is keeping mum on the zombie part. In the infamous phone call she told Colby that there she never mentioned zombies in the evidence gathered by the authorities against her.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1898202414031028737

She looks....old

 

[Twick]

Saying that Tylee killed JJ accidentally and then herself isn't being delusional. She is straight up lying and she knows it because she was there when they died (they also died two weeks apart). A sane manipulating murderer would try the same tactic. (IMO) Perhaps the delusional part is about her talking to Jesus and getting free one day but certainly her belief that anyone would buy her story. She doesn't have too many options explaining two children dying in her care. She blamed Charles for his own death, too. I wonder how she would explain Tammy and Brandon getting shot at. Her niece once insinuated in court that Brandon's family was in the mafia and Brandon made her attorney pay for it.

It’s delusional to think that it’s a realistic story, or that people would believe it. Her main delusion is that she can rewrite her story and boom, it’s true.

 

[Knox]

Can she and Chad communicate?

 

[cujenn81]

Out of curiosity, I Googled jailhouse makeup tricks. They apparently use a mixture of Vaseline and Kool-Aid or Crystal Light Pink Lemonade to create a colored lip gloss or they apply red candy to stain their lips. To create kohl eyeliner, they warm up the end of a colored pencil. They prime their eyelids with Vaseline and use coffee grounds or cocoa powder as eyeshadow. They mix flour, cocoa, and Pepsi together to create a foundation or concealer. And sometimes they just rub a T-mobile newspaper ad on their cheeks to achieve a rosy glow.

I must admit it gives me great pleasure to look at LVD’s smug face and know that she’s caked herself in sticky Pepsi, flour, and cocoa powder and has rubbed newspaper all over her face.

 

[lonetraveler]

Saying that Tylee killed JJ accidentally and then herself isn't being delusional. She is straight up lying and she knows it because she was there when they died (they also died two weeks apart). A sane manipulating murderer would try the same tactic. (IMO) Perhaps the delusional part is about her talking to Jesus and getting free one day but certainly her belief that anyone would buy her story. She doesn't have too many options explaining two children dying in her care. She blamed Charles for his own death, too. I wonder how she would explain Tammy and Brandon getting shot at. Her niece once insinuated in court that Brandon's family was in the mafia and Brandon made her attorney pay for it.

I think that her nonsensible lying will insult the juror's intelligence and will work against her in court.

 

[lonetraveler]

Can she and Chad communicate?

By letters and of course through the portal

 

[Knox]

Out of curiosity, I Googled jailhouse makeup tricks. They apparently use a mixture of Vaseline and Kool-Aid or Crystal Light Pink Lemonade to create a colored lip gloss or they apply red candy to stain their lips. To create kohl eyeliner, they warm up the end of a colored pencil. They prime their eyelids with Vaseline and use coffee grounds or cocoa powder as eyeshadow. They mix flour, cocoa, and Pepsi together to create a foundation or concealer. And sometimes they just rub a T-mobile newspaper ad on their cheeks to achieve a rosy glow.

I must admit it gives me great pleasure to look at LVD’s smug face and know that she’s caked herself in sticky Pepsi, flour, and cocoa powder and has rubbed newspaper all over her face.

But she can't do anything to hide those large pores and deep furrows. The texture of her skin is odd, I wonder if that's related to treatments she used to receive, but no longer has access too? I noted she was pizzed at the beginning when they told her the handcuffs weren't coming off. The responding micro expression, then the positioning of hands when she sat down was interesting to watch.

 

[Izzylizzy]

it doesn't add anything new, just Loony Lori ranting on. I'm watching 20/20 on ABC about DNA solving cold cases.

They do these two hour specials and IMHO pad it with too much extra crap. Scenes of people on the beach or cutesy interviews etc. They could cut at least half an hour of that stuff. ABC 20/20 is the same. It's probably just me, but most interviews and all the natural vistas don't interest me.

IMO:
These networks are doing a great injustice to the victims and their loved ones by giving these convicted killers and accused killers a platform to spew.

 

[lonetraveler]

Very convenient, IMO
I still think something fishy about his death, but again, JMO

I've always thought the he picked up something in Mexico that would not show up in an autopsy. But that is just my opinion and, yes, I do understand all the actions took by MEs and investigators, but it is just way too convenient, and Chad gave him a blessing just prior to his death.
I guess I really need to get rid of this opinion in my head, LOL.

 

[lonetraveler]

What irritates me the most about this interview is the flirting and manipulation she was doing with Keith Morrison, and it worked. I really like Keith Morrison and really didn't think that she could manipulate him that way but he admits that he really liked her and may interview her again.

 

[Izzylizzy]

What irritates me the most about this interview is the flirting and manipulation she was doing with Keith Morrison, and it worked. I really like Keith Morrison and really didn't think that she could manipulate him that way but he admits that he really liked her and may interview her again.

Charming too.(scream)

IMO:
KM appears to be impressed with what he calls LVD's charm, intelligence, alacrity and humor.
Keith's lost it and should hang his head in shame.

begins @ 6:50

 

[Megnut]

Charming too.(scream)

IMO:
KM appears to be impressed with what he calls LVD's charm, intelligence, alacrity and humor.
Keith's lost it and should hang his head in shame.

begins @ 6:50

Zombie apocalypse.

He stared into the abyss.

JMO