GUILTY AZ - Three die in sweat lodge during spiritual retreat, Yavapai County, 8 Oct 2009

[Texas Mist]

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"He came out and he stretched his arms up and everybody hosed him off and he's like, 'Hey thanks!'… and it really stopped me in my tracks. I just stopped, and I said, 'How can you walk out of there with all these people down, and they're, they just looked near death, and you guys can walk out there looking like you just spent the day in the spa,'" Martin said in an exclusive interview with ABC News.

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Martin said that while people were being dragged out from the tent in front of him, Ray neither stopped the ceremony nor helped afterward as Martin performed CPR on the dying.

"And I look up, and he's standing right over my head, watching. He's watching from a standing position. He didn't offer to help. He didn't say anything, nothing at all," Martin said, adding that she did not see Ray help anyone.

more here

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/james-ray-employee-speaks-sweat-lodge-deaths/story?id=9278092

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

video

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[shana]

Self-help guru James Ray was arrested Wednesday after a grand jury indictment charging him with three counts of manslaughter in the deaths of three participants at an Arizona sweat lodge ceremony he organized last year.

Yavapai County Sheriff Steve Waugh said Ray was arrested at his attorney's office in Prescott, Arizona, Wednesday afternoon.

He will eventually be housed at the Camp Verde Detention Center, the sheriff's office said, and his bond has been set at $5 million.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/03/arizona.sweat.lodge.charges/index.html?hpt=T1

 

[LaLaw2000]

Thank you, shana! I also saw it on TV. Thank God Ray is finally arrested!

 

[shana]

Thank you, shana! I also saw it on TV. Thank God Ray is finally arrested!

You are welcome, LaLaw2000...I caught it at cnn online when I was searching for other newsy items of interest. <g>

Finally, YES!

Seems a lot of the cases we follow have been marked by arrests lately...Let the Prosecution begin, and may Justice prevail!

 

[Penelope]

Glad to see that Ray was arrested. It will be interesting to see if the charges stick. I imagine he will make bail -- but not before he gets a little taste of life behind bars!

 

[Hopeful One]

Good news!! As others have said - finally!!!

 

[IWannaKnow]

:woohoo:

 

[Schatzi]

Link of his indictment - pretty simple for such a complicated mess - 3 manslaughter charges, though.

 

[LinasK]

Monday, February 08, 2010

The idea that the human body can sweat out toxins is widely believed, and is in fact the basis for some businesses. Hot springs, sweat lodges, and pricey spas around the world offer "sweat wraps" and other techniques claimed to detoxify and purify the body.
Things don't always go as planned.
This week motivational speaker James Arthur Ray was charged with three counts of manslaughter for his role in a sweat lodge ceremony last fall near Sedona, Arizona.
Steam rooms and sweat lodges can be warm and relaxing — but are they cleansing? Contrary to popular belief, there is no scientific basis for the idea that people can "sweat out" toxins or impurities from the body.
What Really Happens
Sweating is the body's method of regulating its temperature. Because humans are warm-blooded, our bodies need a way to control excess heat (generated either internally as in a fever, or externally, as on a hot summer day). When the body gets too hot, it releases water via sweat glands, which in turn cools the skin and body through evaporation.
Organs such as the liver help the body collect and get rid of toxins, but sweat glands do not. more at link: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,585068,00.html

 

[SuziQ]

Records in Ariz. sweat-lodge case offer details

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/18/20100318sweat-lodge-deaths-documents.html

 

[SuziQ]

The deaths were ruled accidental.

Heat stroke, hyperthermia caused sweat-lodge deaths

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/16/20100316sweat-lodge-deaths-autopsy-ruling.html

 

[angelmom]

The deaths were ruled accidental.

Heat stroke, hyperthermia caused sweat-lodge deaths

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/16/20100316sweat-lodge-deaths-autopsy-ruling.html

Does this change the case? I'm not sure how they can charge someone for an accidental death.

 

[IWannaKnow]

The deaths were ruled accidental.

Heat stroke, hyperthermia caused sweat-lodge deaths

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/03/16/20100316sweat-lodge-deaths-autopsy-ruling.html

Can it really be accidental when the people were not allowed to leave?? Which is what caused the hyperthermia?

 

[Boyz_Mum]

Does this change the case? I'm not sure how they can charge someone for an accidental death.

Good question. I wondered the same thing.

Since they weren't permitted to leave (by the accounts we've read and as IWannaKnow pointed out) would there be some type of charge that could stick? (Maybe reckless endangerment or something? I don't know a lot of terms, so I'm just throwing that out there.)

I would hate to see this 'guru' walk away scot-free. IMO, he deserves some type of punishment for his actions.

 

[Texas Mist]

Trial in sweat lodge deaths set to begin

FLAGSTAFF, AZ - Opening statements are now just days away in one of Arizona’s most high-profile cases: the deadly sweat lodge incident in Sedona.

Three people died and 18 others were injured in the dangerous ceremony back in 2009.

The organizer, motivational speaker James Arthur Ray faces more than 35 years in prison if he is convicted for the deaths and other charges.

more here

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_northern_az/flagstaff/trial-in-sweat-lodge-deaths-set-to-begin

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/28/arizona.sweat.lodge.deaths/index.html?hpt=Sbin



"He told them it was a good day to die so they could be born again.

"You're not going to die," self-help author and speaker James Arthur Ray told participants in the sweat lodge that day, they later recalled. "You may think you are, but you're not going to die ... You need to surrender to death to survive it."

 

[LyndyLoo]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/02/28/arizona.sweat.lodge.deaths/index.html?hpt=Sbin



"He told them it was a good day to die so they could be born again.

"You're not going to die," self-help author and speaker James Arthur Ray told participants in the sweat lodge that day, they later recalled. "You may think you are, but you're not going to die ... You need to surrender to death to survive it."

This trial is actually live streaming as I type..Opening arguments...

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=1

Is it worth starting a new thread to follow this trial??..Im rather a newbie here so dont know whether to start a new thread or not??..

:waitasec:

 

[LyndyLoo]

BUMP!!! This is a LIVE trail folks :great:

 

[belimom]

Sweat lodge trial fuels Native American frustrations

Growing up on a reservation in lower Saskatchewan, Alvin Manitopyes learned early to respect the sweat lodge. He was 10 when he attended his first sweat ceremony, and for more than 15 years tribe elders instructed him in his people's ways.

More at http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/02/sweat-lodge-trial-fuels-native-american-frustrations/