AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #2

[oceanblueeyes]

From AZCentral news report dated 11/27/2008:

"Police in San Carlos, where Romans grew up, told St. Johns investigators that he had a prior drug arrest and was suspected of minor drug dealings".

I tried to get the link to work to news article, but it wouldn't. Probably my error. No shocker there!

Thanks but that happened in his hometown in the past.

I asked how do we know that VR even knew about the prior drug arrest back in San Carlos and how do we even know when that was? It could easily have been when he was much younger.

"Suspected" means they could never come up with any evidence to what they suspected.

imoo

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Thanks but that happened in his hometown in the past.

I asked how do we know that VR even knew about the prior drug arrest back in San Carlos and how do we even know when that was? It could easily have been when he was much younger.

"Suspected" means they could never come up with any evidence to what they suspected.

imoo

Just putting out there what San Carlos LE stated to St. Johns LE. No date was stated as to when San Carlos LE was investigating, but it was obvious that they were concerned enough to make such statements to St. Johns LE. Who knows who old he was. Maybe he was 8 years old or was suspect before/until he moved in with this family in St. Johns. Does age/time matter in terms of a crime? I have to wonder about this man's history and that includes dealing with law enforcement. Just saying for argument sake....

IMVHO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Just putting out there what San Carlos LE stated to St. Johns LE. No date was stated as to when San Carlos LE was investigating, but it was obvious that they were concerned enough to make such statements to St. Johns LE. Who knows who old he was. Maybe he was 8 years old or was suspect before/until he moved in with this family in St. Johns. Does age/time matter in terms of a crime? I have to wonder about this man's history and that includes dealing with law enforcement. Just saying for argument sake....

IMVHO

It isn't that they were concerned enough. If they have an inquiry on anyone by any police department they give the records that they have. It is just SOP. Just like St. John's would have to give disclosure of any arrest made in their town on Vincent or Tim and give full disclosure of that to the Court and the defense attorney. Since none has been mentioned then it seems no arrest were made on either one of them in the St. John for anything.

No, it really doesn't in the grand scheme of things. That is why I asked Shock were he got this was drug related. There has absolutely been nothing to even indicate this was a drug related crime. Not in the media and not on the Apache Court site. So TRs past is irrelevant to the murders. It certainly wasn't because of drugs or drug dealers. They don't come in and murder and leave cash behind. They don't use a kid gun either to do the job.

imo

 

[mostlylurking]

It isn't that they were concerned enough. If they have an inquiry on anyone by any police department they give the records that they have. It is just SOP. Just like St. John's would have to give disclosure of any arrest made in their town on Vincent or Tim and give full disclosure of that to the Court and the defense attorney. Since none has been mentioned then it seems no arrest were made on either one of them in the St. John for anything.

No, it really doesn't in the grand scheme of things. That is why I asked Shock were he got this was drug related. There has absolutely been nothing to even indicate this was a drug related crime. Not in the media and not on the Apache Court site. So TRs past is irrelevant to the murders. It certainly wasn't because of drugs or drug dealers. They don't come in and murder and leave cash behind. They don't use a kid gun either to do the job.

imo

They might if they didn't want to get caught.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Hi
I was thinking about where the 5 $100 bills came from and I think I read some where it says thier wallets were seized for evidence?Maybe the money was in thier wallets.

suzanne

 

[colette]

I'd be interested in knowing more about ETB. Job? The last name suggests she has remarried. Does she have other children? Relatives in the area? Where did she and the boy stay during his Thanksgiving reprieve?

During the Thanksgiving visit:
"Roca has said the boy must stay within a certain area in Apache County and no knives, video games or cable television can be in the home where he's staying."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,458164,00.html

BTW
$500 dollars in the home doesn't even look like drug dealing money, really that's not much and it's all in hundreds. It looks like someone cashed their paycheck to me. Plus there were NO DRUGS in the home.

 

[Trino]

During the Thanksgiving visit:
"Roca has said the boy must stay within a certain area in Apache County and no knives, video games or cable television can be in the home where he's staying.

Yeah, but where in Apache County? With whom? ETB must be married to use the last name of Bloomfield.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Hi
Quote
Remember bio mother...he was the one who got custody...not you.

Her name is Eryn Thomas.Not bio mother.This is a pretty harsh statement.We do not really know her.That's not fair to her.It is his mother this little boy wanted to be with.

suzanne

I call his father's wife the stepmother and his birth mother the bio mother. That way you can tell who I'm talking about. That might be a harsh statement but it is the truth. This mother talks like she knows everything about this little boy's life...how could she when she has such little hands on contact with him? The dad and mom might have had joint custody but this mom didn't stick around to fulfill her half of the joint custody. If she really believed that her boy was being treated so unfairly why didn't she stick around and take him during her court ordered time with him? Instead she moves thousands or a thousand miles away from him.

Can you show me the link where it says that the boy wanted to live with his bio mother? We have thrown the idea around on here and thought that it might have had something to do with the shootings as she had just been there but that is just us throwing the idea around. As far as I know nothing has been written or said to verify it.

 

[Wrinkles]

Greetings Gitana1,

You wrote:
>>But to just abandon the child? Simply abandoning a little boy, no matter what he has done, does not seem to fit what mother's instinct would mandate. (Instead, I feel a mom would fight to get the child help and continue to love and try to protect him. Remember, he's not an adult). Yet, it appears stepmom may have done just that. Long story short, that speaks volumes to me as to the bond between step-mom and child.<<

Is it possible that "step-mom," having no legal right to the child (or am I wrong, she was "step" not a custodial parent?), couldn't have done much of anything to permit her to see him after the murders? Even if she wanted to? Is it possible that she was denied any possibility of seeing him?

Wrinkles

 

[Trino]

Greetings Gitana1,

You wrote:
>>But to just abandon the child? Simply abandoning a little boy, no matter what he has done, does not seem to fit what mother's instinct would mandate. (Instead, I feel a mom would fight to get the child help and continue to love and try to protect him. Remember, he's not an adult). Yet, it appears stepmom may have done just that. Long story short, that speaks volumes to me as to the bond between step-mom and child.<<

Is it possible that "step-mom," having no legal right to the child (or am I wrong, she was "step" not a custodial parent?), couldn't have done much of anything to permit her to see him after the murders? Even if she wanted to? Is it possible that she was denied any possibility of seeing him?Wrinkles

According to the court order, there were 4 people who had visitation rights: an aunt, the grandmother, the bio mother, and the step-mother.

 

[twinkiesmom]

The locals commenting on the published articles seemed to believe the boy wanted to live with his grandmother.

 

[SieSie]

The locals commenting on the published articles seemed to believe the boy wanted to live with his grandmother.

Do you have a link, please? TIA.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Hi
I'm also very curious where they found the spelling list?with blood on it.

suzanne

 

[Shock]

Parental Lessons learned.
1. Give your young child a lethal weapon with easy access, then teach him/her to use it. Or;
2. Abuse your child constantly to assure fear and control. But;
3. NEVER do both!

 

[Salem]

Charges were dropped and a 36 year old man was convicted with DNA evidence. Chicago paid out millions to the boys.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0508010193aug01,0,4679399.story

This gives me hope for this young man. Watching his police interview, I don't think he did this. I think he witnessed it. His "confession" does not ring true to me.

Is there physical evidence that he was holding the gun? Was gun powder found on his hands?

I'm still not buying that this child did this, especially on his own. There is more to the story and the authorities and the defense attorney need to figure out what it is......

Salem

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Hi
I agree.They really needed to figure all this out "BEFORE" they arrested this little boy.

suzanne

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Hi
I wonder if his mother Eryn Thomas Bloomfield who now has custody of her little boy can sue any of these people because of any this.She did say I wonder what ever happened to innocent untill proven guilty.I don't see where they did that here.

suzanne

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They might if they didn't want to get caught.

Nah,I don't think so, they would have never used a kid's gun. They have their own gun, most likely, stolen and untraceable. They would have fired a shot to the head and been done with it. They wouldn't waste this many shots.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi
I wonder if his mother Eryn Thomas Bloomfield who now has custody of her little boy can sue any of these people because of any this.She did say I wonder what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.I don't see where they did that here.

suzanne

No she can't sue. People who aren't on his jury are allowed to have their own opinions about the case. Freedom of speech.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This gives me hope for this young man. Watching his police interview, I don't think he did this. I think he witnessed it. His "confession" does not ring true to me.

Is there physical evidence that he was holding the gun? Was gun powder found on his hands?

I'm still not buying that this child did this, especially on his own. There is more to the story and the authorities and the defense attorney need to figure out what it is......

Salem

I doubt that the DA is going to disclosed those results now. I know of no other DA that divulges all of his evidence before a trial.

imoo