AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #2

[Ms Suzanne]

She lived across the street?Small town.

 

[mostlylurking]

Yeah, susanne....
Snip from that article:



Below are snippets from both their interviews taken from 100 pages of transcripts.

BB: Benjamin Brewer, Attorney, Wood Law Office
DN: Deborah Neckel, St. Johns Police Department
TA: Commander Therese Avilla, Apache County Sheriff's Department


Benjamin Brewer: Okay. Um, and so, a-and just so I know, that you, were detective for a day, before this happened, I mean, I, I, I just wanna make sure...(laughs)
Deborah Neckel: I wish I didn't have to admit that, but, yeah (laughs)
Bejamin Brewer: awright. I just, you know, I heard that and then I started thinkin, oh...(laughs)

Deborah Neckel: I know, (laughs). Believe me I wish that wasn't true, I wish that, they would've waited a week.
BB: Okay. And, um, did you know, who [name of child suspect] was prior to this?
DN: Yes, I did.
BB: You, uh, in what capacity'd you know him?
DN: Um, playing in fronta my house, playing with my dog, um, playing with the kids across the street…

BB: Okay. And as far as, um, was there any request by any family member, or anybody fer that matter, to, sit in on the interview.
DN: No.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Why was Commander Therese Avilla of the Apache County Attorney's Office there if they were just interviewing this little boy as a witness.

 

[mostlylurking]

Ok weird posting going on in that snip I tried & it won't let me edit to correct.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

BB: Um, did, [name of child suspect] ever request that someone be allowed ta sit in on the interview?<SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Here's a link to excerpts of the transcript from an interview by Brewer of Neckel -- one of the "detectives" doing the interview. She'd been a detective for ONE DAY. And she knew the kid. I looks like she lived like across the street from him......

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/n...was-detective-for/xEzlYHgNmUGsYs3PAJqelA.cspx

If Neckel makes the statement that she was only interviewing this child as a witness, then way did she also make the statement that someone saw him? This is not a LE lie used to open someone up when questioned, but one used when you have a suspect.

I wonder how soon they interviewed this child. Was it before or after they spoke to the grandparents and Mrs. Romans?

 

[Ms Suzanne]

crap it didn't come out.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Oh well,it says he was not read his miranda rights

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Can I put this here?this was a real mess.


BB: Okay. And as far as, um, was there any request by any family member, or anybody fer that matter, to, sit in on the interview.

DN: No.

BB: Um, did, [name of child suspect] ever request that someone be allowed ta sit in on the interview?

DN: No.

BB: Did you ever tell im that he could have someone sit in on the interview?

DN: I, don't believe we, no.

BB: Um, and again, you, never Mirandized him prior ta going inta the interview.

DN: No.

BB: Uh, and, [redacted] didn't inter, didn't, Mirandize im that you were aware of, prior ta goin inta the interview.

DN: No.

BB: And yer not aware of any time prior, or previous ta this, that any, law enforcement officer interviewed him fer, fer any purpose.

DN: No. He wasn't a suspect.
Benjamin Brewer: Did you ever tell him that he could have someone sit in on the interview?
Deborah Neckel: I, don't believe, we, no.
Benjamin Brewer: Um, and again, you, never Mirandized him prior to going into the interview.
Deborah Neckel: No.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Did they misspell all that in there?That looks terrible.Kind of like my writting.LOL LOL.They should edit this and fix this.

 

[mostlylurking]

Did they misspell all that in there?That looks terrible.Kind of like my writting.LOL LOL.They should edit this and fix this.

Ya know, I'm assuming it was a voice recording that got translated "literally" by sound into a document.

 

[colette]

Nothing about stepmom.


Please see this link regarding stepmom's thoughts.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,458204,00.html

Thanks Shock and everyone else for the link about what the grandma says the stepmom thought. I had not seen that before in the articles I read previously. Still there is no article where the stepmom talks directly about the boy, I guess she is keeping a very low profile. This whole case is just a sad mess.

 

[mostlylurking]

Thanks Shock and everyone else for the link about what the grandma says the stepmom thought. I had not seen that before in the articles I read previously. Still there is no article where the stepmom talks directly about the boy, I guess she is keeping a very low profile. This whole case is just a sad mess.

Ya know, she has been virtually absent through all of this. She was the primary maternal figure in this child's life and he called her "mom" (though we don't know if that was by choice or not). She was one of only 4 who were allowed to visit this child in detention & yet she was off on some trip with friends or family & I've seen no record that she has visited him at all (though I don't know). She went back in the house & had it cleaned (it seems) so quick that further investigations couldn't be contined if they had wanted/needed to.

She does not pass my sniff test and I want to know more about her & what I think could be involvement in this case.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

TA: You know what, I, I know we did that, only because we were movin around but it wasn't to, um, move closer ta him cuz I know what yer implying there, it wasn't because that, a lotta times whenever we're interviewin suspects you move closer ta put them in a, discomfort. We did not do that. That wasn't fer that, as a matter of fact, most of the time I was like, touchin his, I'd reach up and touch his, touch his leg, you know, when I was talkin to him, so, no, it wasn't, fer that reason at all.


BB: Okay, but you, you are aware, like you just said&#8230;


TA: Afterwards, yeah, after I reviewed the video, yes, yes. At the time, no.

~snip~

BB: A-and are there also ways that you can, ask questions to determine whether or not he, has an understanding of what is true and what is false?


TA: Uh, we don't, really, go into a lot of that anymore in our forensic interviews.


BB: Okay. Um, is that just assumed that they know, or, h-how, why, I mean, why was, why the change, I guess?


TA: You know, I don't know why the change. I just know in the training that we've been receiving is, it's not something we go over.

BB: And, as far as the positioning, of the room, you had a, a couch, somewhere ta this, one, it seemed like a fairly, large couch that he was sitting on?


TA: It was just an overstuffed chair.


BB: Overstu, he just looked small, I guess, but he was sitting in the middle of that.


TA: Yes.


BB: And you guys were, creating kind of a triangle?


TA: Yes.

~snip~

BB: Um, is it, customary or, I guess, customary or acceptable, in, interrogations or, interviews, however you wanna phrase em, um, to, lie to the, subject, whatever that person is. In order to, well, not in order ta do anything but, just, are you allowed ta lie to the subject? Is that&#8230;


TA: Yes.


BB: &#8230;something you've been trained ta do?


TA: Yes.


BB: Um, and did you do that in this case?


TA: I believe I did, uh, I believe I did at one point, um, saying that someone saw him, and, um, that was the only time.


BB: And why would you do that if he was still a victim?

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/n...was-detective-for/xEzlYHgNmUGsYs3PAJqelA.cspx

These things are severely problematic and then you have a woman who the child would look at as a "neighbor" doing and saying these things to lead him into such a "confession".

I think it is quite possible he is a victim and not the perp.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Ya know, I'm assuming it was a voice recording that got translated "literally" by sound into a document.

:idea: Maybe they shouldn't use them any more.

 

[mollyjohnson100]

I saved and uploaded the full transcripts as I had some problems viewing them from the court website, maybe others did too.
I hope it's allowed.
Here...

(officer Neckel's testifying begins on page 11)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/8698254/8-Year-Old-1

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8698368/8-Year-Old-2

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8698391/8-Year-Old-3

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8698535/8-Year-Old-4

 

[Ms Suzanne]

Thankyou mollyjohnson100.That was very nice of you to do.

 

[MeoW333]

Oh well,it says he was not read his miranda rights

So true, Officer Neckels who interrogated him wasn't even certified to do a "forensic interview" which they were doing on the boy according to the court transcript. Officer Avila, the other woman interrogating the boy was certified, however. Either way, it should get thrown out.

 

[Salem]

You forgot the time it took for someone to check that ther was, indeed, a body there before calling 911. Not many folks would take the word of an 8 year old without confirming what he claimed before callin the police.

I gave the neighbor a minute to go to the house and back to see if a body was there. Not much time for the neighbor to listen to his teenage son, question the boy, walk out of his house, see with his own eyes, walk back to his house, call 911 and make the report. I'm sure it took longer than a minute, but there are only 8 minutes to play with here and technically probably only 7.5 minutes if it took TR and his wife 30 seconds to get through their dialogue.

Salem

 

[Ms Suzanne]

So true, Officer Neckels who interrogated him wasn't even certified to do a "forensic interview" which they were doing on the boy according to the court transcript. Officer Avila, the other woman interrogating the boy was certified, however. Either way, it should get thrown out.

A "forensic interview"?