AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #4

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azmama said:
Well, I can accept LE and the courts abiding by the regulations, if they were to follow ALL of the rules and regs, and since day one, they have not, we all believe that (I think)!

They should be following ALL of the regulations, including those tossed aside in the investigation, questioning, searching, judicial decisions and the ones that are being broken in holding this boy right this very minute!
We are now waaaaaay past the 45 day limit!

Are the breaking of those NOT making an exception in each case?
They are all the laws here in AZ....They should not be able to pick and choose which they follow, and they are. The continual pick and choose they are doing about all of these is going to add to the likelyhood of it all being thrown out, buy hey, why not?
It was all bungled since the beginning, why "make an exception" and try to adhere to all of the rules now?

There is really no excuse for this.

That all said, IF this boy is guilty, which I begrudging admit that he MAY be (but do not believe he is), he will walk, because of LE and now the courts shoddy work! On the other side of the coin, IF he is innocent, there is very real damage being done to his psyshe now, right? Is all of this ok with everyone? LE in general not following it's own code.....Now THAT is a travesty!
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I agree. . . guilty or not, this boy's rights have been trampled on. It seems that adults have more rights in this country and I for one an appalled by this case.
 
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azmama said:
Well, I can accept LE and the courts abiding by the regulations, if they were to follow ALL of the rules and regs, and since day one, they have made many exceptions, we all believe that (I think), or am I wrong on that?!

They should be following ALL of the regulations, including those tossed aside in the investigation, questioning, searching, judicial decisions and the ones that are being broken in holding this boy right this very minute, if that is not pick and choose, I don't know what is!
We are now waaaaaay past the 45 day limit of holding this child!

Are the breaking of all of those NOT making an exception?
They are all the laws here in AZ....They should not be able to pick and choose which they follow, and they are. The continual pick and choose they are doing about all of these is going to add to the likelihood of it all being thrown out, buy hey, why not?
It was all bungled since the beginning, why "make an exception" and try to adhere to all of the rules now?

There is really no excuse for this.

That all said, IF this boy is guilty, which I begrudging admit that he MAY be (but do not believe he is), he will walk, because of LE and now the courts shoddy work! On the other side of the coin, IF he is innocent, there is very real damage being done to his psyche now, right? Is all of this ok with everyone? LE in general not following it's own code.....Now THAT is a travesty!

**sorry if my thoughts are redundant.....** :)
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Nope, no laws broke. The meter on the 45 days was stopped to do the evaluations on the boy.

I seriously and highly dpubt this child is innocent. The court did nothing wrong and neither did LE. imo
 
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Linda7NJ said:
Nope, no laws broke. The meter on the 45 days was stopped to do the evaluations on the boy.

I seriously and highly dpubt this child is innocent. The court did nothing wrong and neither did LE. imo
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What did LE do right??? Question the child with no legal or parental assistance. Collect his clothing for testing the day after. Help me out. Shoddy work is not illegal, granted.



Did LE ever fully check the claims that there was a white car???
 
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Linda7NJ

Nope, no laws broke. The meter on the 45 days was stopped to do the evaluations on the boy.

I seriously and highly dpubt this child is innocent. The court did nothing wrong and neither did LE. imo

Sorry, I didn't know how to just quote your little bit....

But, really, I mean, come on, really? Are you seriously saying that you believe that LE et. all followed all Arizona rules, regs, and laws to a T?

Really, I think you are just so sure the suspect is guilty, it doesn't matter to you, because right, wrong or indifferent to the outcome of the case, LE and the courts there are so woefully off base, I would think twice about ever even visiting there! They can justify all they want, but the fact is, the "rules don't apply" in St. John, AZ.

I am just stunned!

.....I am not trying to argue the case with you, I am just so suprised that you think they are all by the book.....
 
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PigTails said:
I agree. . . guilty or not, this boy's rights have been trampled on. It seems that adults have more rights in this country and I for one an appalled by this case.
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Me too,..........APPALLED!
By this PD
By this pros
By this judge
By this court

Pathetic, simply pathetic the way they've treated this child. To top it off, this Barney Fiffe police chief ran to the press the second he could and put the CHILD'S ............BOGUS confession on the airwaves for EVERYONE to see. Heck, he didn't even block out the child's face!

Sure backfired though, didn't it!?:rolleyes: Now the entire WORLD knows what a bunch of yay-hoos run that PD.

To add insult to injury, the local courts are putting ONLINE,.......every little court document they can, WITH the CHILD'S NAME!.......they block out dead people's credit card numbers, but put this CHILD'S NAME out there.

This CHILD does NOT deserve to be treated this way! I only hope and pray that a GOOD civil rights attorney and VICTIM'S advocate attorney is watching this unfold and will contact this child's mom. Believe me, IF I was on a jury hearing all this BS they've done to this child, he'd definitely win his case against them!

JMHO
fran

PS........oh, yeah, I do NOT THINK the child did this crime. Too many skelatons in the victim's closets. People choose to IGNORE 'em, but they're there none the less, dangling before us.....just need to open them eyes to see......;)...fran
 
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Amen Fran, you said it much better than I!

Yes, I have signed it, and sent it to all of my friends and family.
 
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azmama said:
Amen Fran, you said it much better than I!

Yes, I have signed it, and sent it to all of my friends and family.
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Cool beans! :blowkiss:
 
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oceanblueeyes said:
Thank you, PigTails

I knew this was a customary procedure that applies to all.

They will not make any allowances for one and not the other.
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Let's be honest, no "procedures" anywhere were established with 8-year-olds in mind. There have been many missteps in this case so far and I can't help thinking there will be many more. We cannot overlook the fact that there is a young child at the root of the "procedures" and until we have more facts, he should have the benefit of the doubt. IMO, of course.
 
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http://www.kpho.com/news/18549439/detail.html


Ruling: Judge Can Address Murder Charge In Trial Of Boy, 9

FLAGSTAFF, Ariz. -- An Apache County judge can rule on a prosecutors' request to drop a murder charge against a 9-year-old St. Johns boy, the state Court of Appeals said.

Apache County Superior Court Judge Michael Roca has said he wouldn't rule on any substantive issue in the case until the boy's competency is determined, relying on a rule used in adult proceedings.

The appeals court says while Roca believed he was precluded from considering the prosecutors' motion, the appeals court disagreed.
 
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Fairy1 said:
Let's be honest, no "procedures" anywhere were established with 8-year-olds in mind. There have been many missteps in this case so far and I can't help thinking there will be many more. We cannot overlook the fact that there is a young child at the root of the "procedures" and until we have more facts, he should have the benefit of the doubt. IMO, of course.
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I am not sure that is true. Cases against 8 year olds are usually kept pretty confidential because they rarely involve murder but here is a link where two ten year old boys were brought in shackled and cuffed so I think it is pretty much standard procedure when they have been arrested and charged with a crime, especially a violent one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xakaLeLecvo&feature=related
 
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Hiya OBE, wow, interesting! I was looking around that myspace the other day, I have only looked once though. Eryn's photo is on it.

I am so hungry for news from up there! It is eating at me, lol. If only I put that much time into my studies, lol.
 
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fran said:
Me too,..........APPALLED!
By this PD
By this pros
By this judge
By this court

Pathetic, simply pathetic the way they've treated this child. To top it off, this Barney Fiffe police chief ran to the press the second he could and put the CHILD'S ............BOGUS confession on the airwaves for EVERYONE to see. Heck, he didn't even block out the child's face!

Sure backfired though, didn't it!?:rolleyes: Now the entire WORLD knows what a bunch of yay-hoos run that PD.

To add insult to injury, the local courts are putting ONLINE,.......every little court document they can, WITH the CHILD'S NAME!.......they block out dead people's credit card numbers, but put this CHILD'S NAME out there.

This CHILD does NOT deserve to be treated this way! I only hope and pray that a GOOD civil rights attorney and VICTIM'S advocate attorney is watching this unfold and will contact this child's mom. Believe me, IF I was on a jury hearing all this BS they've done to this child, he'd definitely win his case against them!

JMHO
fran

PS........oh, yeah, I do NOT THINK the child did this crime. Too many skelatons in the victim's closets. People choose to IGNORE 'em, but they're there none the less, dangling before us.....just need to open them eyes to see......;)...fran
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I agree with your fine post especially the PS. Unfortunately the victims did have too many skeletons in their closets and this child has been judged unfairly. The boarder had a drug arrest (in the nineties) and according to the newspaper was a suspected drug dealer. The link was posted and is now obsolete. When the crime was committed the child was only eight years old. There is a big difference between and eight year old and ten year old cognitively and physically. Visit a thrid grade class and fifth grade class and see for yourself. Next we'll have a six year old in shackles. When juvenile delinquents and non-juvenile delinquents are not separated according to law, this does not mean the law is morally right or even sensible. That means politicians are saving money and the judge is going along with it.
 
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can someone tell me what myspace? maybe link me....
 
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I think I found the moms myspace.

It is private but does say
"Praying For The truth and wishing the hatefulness would stop. Please release my lil man!"
 
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