AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #4

[6angels]

I think I missed something ( have not beenable to keep up! the threads go so fast) but on this link it says
Authorities believe that the murders were premeditated by Romero's son, whom had recently received a disciplinary spanking from his mother-in-law by request of his father.
http://www.mahalo.com/Timothy_Romans

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree with your fine post especially the PS. Unfortunately the victims did have too many skeletons in their closets and this child has been judged unfairly. The boarder had a drug arrest (in the nineties) and according to the newspaper was a suspected drug dealer. The link was posted and is now obsolete. When the crime was committed the child was only eight years old. There is a big difference between and eight year old and ten year old cognitively and physically. Visit a thrid grade class and fifth grade class and see for yourself. Next we'll have a six year old in shackles. When juvenile delinquents and non-juvenile delinquents are not separated according to law, this does not mean the law is morally right or even sensible. That means politicians are saving money and the judge is going along with it.

What skeletons did Vinnie Romero have in his past?

Neither of these men had any warning of their impending deaths. No drugs were found nor did either one of them have alcohol or drugs in their systems when they died.

imo

 

[chiperoni]

Vinnie Romero had a man live in his home who had a history of drug use and was a suspected drug dealer. The child was eight years old. That is a major skeleton because the boarder interacted with that child everyday. We still do not know all the circumstances of the house and the people who were there after the killings because there is a gag order.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Vinnie Romero had a man live in his home who had a history of drug use and was a suspected drug dealer. The child was eight years old. That is a major skeleton because the boarder interacted with that child everyday. We still do not know all the circumstances of the house and the people who were there after the killings because there is a gag order.

Tim's arrest on drugs was in the 90s when he lived in San Carlos.

He had only been working for the power plant in St. John for the past year.

So how would Vinnie know about Tim's past years ago when that was in a town 170 miles from where Vinnie had always lived?

Tim only stayed there Monday thru Wednesday. I highly doubt there was a lot of interaction between Tim and the boy. Tim was said to go to the local bar when he got off work everyday.

Tiffany told the police officers, that no one used drugs there and that is bolster by the autopsy fact that no drugs where found in the system of either victim. Nor were there any drugs found in the home. Tim had no warning that he needed to stash his drugs before he was murdered. He didn't need any warning about that because no drugs were found there.

On his key chain it said "Drugs Kill" that doesn't sound like a drug dealer's calling card to me.

imoo

 

[colette]

I think I missed something ( have not beenable to keep up! the threads go so fast) but on this link it says
Authorities believe that the murders were premeditated by Romero's son, whom had recently received a disciplinary spanking from his mother-in-law by request of his father.
http://www.mahalo.com/Timothy_Romans

6Angels, that blog got it wrong. It should be spanking from his stepmother not mother-in-law.

 

[Trino]

Today is another hearing. Updates?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Today is another hearing. Updates?

None so far, the hearing will get underway at noon EST.

imoo

 

[kgeaux]

I think I missed something ( have not beenable to keep up! the threads go so fast) but on this link it says
Authorities believe that the murders were premeditated by Romero's son, whom had recently received a disciplinary spanking from his mother-in-law by request of his father.
http://www.mahalo.com/Timothy_Romans

Boy, that's one poorly worded sentence. The child has a mother-in-law? Was it his step-mom? Or was he spanked by his mother's mother? That blogger's mind must've been on a coffee break!

This poor little child. I know what he has done is horrendous. But when I picture him sitting in that big old chair at the police station, with his little legs swinging, all I want to do is grab him and hug him.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Public Hearing Postponed

 

[Trino]

Public Hearing Postponed

What is going on that the hearing would be postponed?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

What is going on that the hearing would be postponed?

Who really knows. I think the defense is wanting time to look through the 536 pages of documents they just received from the State, on the 27th.

 

[chiperoni]

Tim's arrest on drugs was in the 90s when he lived in San Carlos.

He had only been working for the power plant in St. John for the past year.

So how would Vinnie know about Tim's past years ago when that was in a town 170 miles from where Vinnie had always lived?

Tim only stayed there Monday thru Wednesday. I highly doubt there was a lot of interaction between Tim and the boy. Tim was said to go to the local bar when he got off work everyday.

Tiffany told the police officers, that no one used drugs there and that is bolster by the autopsy fact that no drugs where found in the system of either victim. Nor were there any drugs found in the home. Tim had no warning that he needed to stash his drugs before he was murdered. He didn't need any warning about that because no drugs were found there.

On his key chain it said "Drugs Kill" that doesn't sound like a drug dealer's calling card to me.

imoo

Was Tiffany with Tim all the time to know if he didn't take drugs...It has not been positively verified who was in the house right after the murders. Were the vehicles searched right away? According to a local news article Tim was a "known drug dealer". If Tim headed to the bar everyday after work I guess that really shows he was a great roomer and responsible member of the household. Was it really only Monday-Wednesday nights he stayed? Friends of his wife have said that he moved off the Apache San Pedro Reservation and that he had met someone else and was divorcing. Mr. Romero had to be aware of all this drama if he was living in his home.

 

[Trino]

While I have no idea if this is true, a Topix poster said the boy was let out.

 

[Trino]

Was Tiffany with Tim all the time to know if he didn't take drugs...It has not been positively verified who was in the house right after the murders. Were the vehicles searched right away? According to a local news article Tim was a "known drug dealer". If Tim headed to the bar everyday after work I guess that really shows he was a great roomer and responsible member of the household. Was it really only Monday-Wednesday nights he stayed? Friends of his wife have said that he moved off the Apache San Pedro Reservation and that he had met someone else and was divorcing. Mr. Romero had to be aware of all this drama if he was living in his home.

There is no evidence except from "Candy" that says he was divorcing. There are no divorce proceedings from either Tim or his wife. It appears that TR was having an affair, which was not known to his wife until Candy spilled the beans.

As to Tim being a drug dealer, again, it's hearsay. Evidence is what's important, and there is no evidence to support this other than an arrest in the early 90's.

 

[chiperoni]

There is no evidence except from "Candy" that says he was divorcing. There are no divorce proceedings from either Tim or his wife. It appears that TR was having an affair, which was not known to his wife until Candy spilled the beans.

As to Tim being a drug dealer, again, it's hearsay. Evidence is what's important, and there is no evidence to support this other than an arrest in the early 90's.

TR was having an affair and going to the local bar everyday after work. Not conducive to a good home life or a good influence on his friend Vincent and his household. It was published in a local newspaper in the news section that TR was a suspected drug dealer. Newspapers do publish hearsay, but they usually have reliable sources because of lawsuits. So far I don't know of any denials from friends or family.

 

[Fairy1]

There is no evidence except from "Candy" that says he was divorcing. There are no divorce proceedings from either Tim or his wife. It appears that TR was having an affair, which was not known to his wife until Candy spilled the beans.

As to Tim being a drug dealer, again, it's hearsay. Evidence is what's important, and there is no evidence to support this other than an arrest in the early 90's.

For the most part, we don't have any idea what evidence there is either way. We do know that Tim's wife lawyered up almost immediately. And we know that he did have a drug arrest in his past.

Indian reservations are "sovereign nations." I'm quite certain that records of any subsequent arrests or convictions on the reservation would not be available to the public outside of the reservation. Unless it comes out during the proceedings pertaining to this particular case, we will likely never know what Tim was up to in the years between his prior arrest and his death.

 

[chiperoni]

We really just don't know what exactly happened. What was this boy's home life like in the last few months? What was his relationship with his stepmother and Tim? Did his relationship with Vincent change when Tim moved in? What was the relationship of the stepmother and Vincent (domestic disturbance calls). Why didn't the police search all vehicles on the property? Were there drugs hidden or removed. It is correct that both men were free of drugs when autopsied. They were gunned down just returning from work?? When I am asking these questions it's about an eight year old child who has been accused of killing two people. He had to be a very confused child when all this happened. I still think we have to wait for the gag order to be lifted. The police made some major mistakes and we may never know. The tragedy of all of this is that two men were killed and an eight year old has been accused as their heartless murder. There has to be more than that .

 

[Trino]

We really just don't know what exactly happened. What was this boy's home life like in the last few months? What was his relationship with his stepmother and Tim? Did his relationship with Vincent change when Tim moved in? What was the relationship of the stepmother and Vincent (domestic disturbance calls). Why didn't the police search all vehicles on the property? Were there drugs hidden or removed. It is correct that both men were free of drugs when autopsied. They were gunned down just returning from work?? When I am asking these questions it's about an eight year old child who has been accused of killing two people. He had to be a very confused child when all this happened. I still think we have to wait for the gag order to be lifted. The police made some major mistakes and we may never know. The tragedy of all of this is that two men were killed and an eight year old has been accused as their heartless murder. There has to be more than that .

The domestic disturbance calls were from V and his first wife, Eryn. No evidence of drugs was found either on the property or the men.

Why does MUST there be more to this? Is it because it's never happened before?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Was Tiffany with Tim all the time to know if he didn't take drugs...It has not been positively verified who was in the house right after the murders. Were the vehicles searched right away? According to a local news article Tim was a "known drug dealer". If Tim headed to the bar everyday after work I guess that really shows he was a great roomer and responsible member of the household. Was it really only Monday-Wednesday nights he stayed? Friends of his wife have said that he moved off the Apache San Pedro Reservation and that he had met someone else and was divorcing. Mr. Romero had to be aware of all this drama if he was living in his home.

He was not a responsible member of the household. He was only a boarder who rented a room there three days a week.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The domestic disturbance calls were from V and his first wife, Eryn. No evidence of drugs was found either on the property or the men.

Why does MUST there be more to this? Is it because it's never happened before?

I actually think the domestic call was placed when Vinnie was afraid that Eryn was going to kidnap the boy. Tiffany told officers that there was a call made to LE about that.

You are absolutely right and we all know that sometimes the past is hard to out live. Just because of his one arrest back in the 90s there may have been an assumption that carried on ,even if not true.

The one thing for certain is they may have suspicioned it when they arrested him for using drugs in the 90s but they never had one thing to substantiate it because no arrest was ever made against him for that. Not in San Carlos and not in St. John.

imoo