AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #5

[Linda7NJ]

The dugout is a place for the actual players and coaches to sit. Why would he be in the dugout in the first place? It wasn't like he was sitting on the bleachers like all the other spectators were.

From what I have read she also did not get physical custody of her 5 year old daughter either and the father has primary custody.

imo

My heart breaks for her daughter...ya just know the visits will be almost non existent ...just like they were for the boy. The mother has the attention span of a gnat.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Very true ...but ...you missed the point...while you & I struggle through....his mother just struggles. She never learns from her mistakes. She believes rules do not apply to her, nothing is her responsibility and she does exactly as she pleases.

The boy shares a few of her traits...is she really who you want to be raising him?

With great respect, I disagree and believe this is your opinion only and not based on any fact. Nothing is out there against this Mother to have be as you have shared.

imvho

 

[OrdinaryLife]

The dugout is a place for the actual players and coaches to sit. Why would he be in the dugout in the first place? It wasn't like he was sitting on the bleachers like all the other spectators were.

From what I have read she also did not get physical custody of her 5 year old daughter either and the father has primary custody.

imo

It was a baseball dugout, for goodness sakes. It's not like he ran in like some crazed individual threatening or attacking anyone. This, imvho, is an example of making a Alp out of a goofy molehill.

 

[southcitymom]

The dugout is a place for the actual players and coaches to sit. Why would he be in the dugout in the first place? It wasn't like he was sitting on the bleachers like all the other spectators were.

From what I have read she also did not get physical custody of her 5 year old daughter either and the father has primary custody.

imo

Yes, but where is the dugout "accusation" and why does it matter - I am just curious - I do not know the details of the ins and outs of his probation.

 

[southcitymom]

Whew...I went back and was reading and reading and re-reading..lol Thought ya had more access than me

I don't understand who the "victim" is in the defense motion...do you?

No - it is not clear who the "victim" is and when I read it for some reason my mind inserted "mother."

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It was a baseball dugout, for goodness sakes. It's not like he ran in like some crazed individual threatening or attacking anyone. This, imvho, is an example of making a Alp out of a goofy molehill.

That is probably true OL if this was just some typical kid at the baseball game but that is not the case here. I don't know any parents or children who would want to sit with anyone that has killed someone.

Whether he is 9 or 99 that has to be creepy and makes them feel very uneasy.

imoo

 

[Linda7NJ]

With great respect, I disagree and believe this is your opinion only and not based on any fact. Nothing is out there against this Mother to have be as you have shared.

imvho

What was she doing between the time Vince got full custody and the birth of her second child? She wasn't visiting the boy and wasn't paying support. She has nothing and is going nowhere.

IMO She no longer wants to parent this boy and is purposely sabotaging the plea agreement. She would rather have him removed from her care by the state than come right out and say she can't handle it.

She will then blame the state, act like a martyr and scamper off to the next man...next pregnancy...


all in my opinion.

 

[southcitymom]

Very true ...but ...you missed the point...while you & I struggle through....his mother just struggles. She never learns from her mistakes. She believes rules do not apply to her, nothing is her responsibility and she does exactly as she pleases.

The boy shares a few of her traits...is she really who you want to be raising him?

Perhaps you missed my point too! Anyone who struggles deserves our compassion and love - that's how we learn to make it through - even if it takes us years (or lifetimes)!

As for this woman not learning from her mistakes thus far, not believing the rules apply to her, etc... I have no where near enough information to make such statements. I have empathy for her.

As far as - should she be the one raising her child? - it's kind of like I said before - I've read nothing that indicates abuse or negligence or severe pathology. Again - I just don't have enough hard information to make such a call - hopefully, the Court does!

 

[southcitymom]

What was she doing between the time Vince got full custody and the birth of her second child? She wasn't visiting the boy and wasn't paying support. She has nothing and is going nowhere.

IMO She no longer wants to parent this boy and is purposely sabotaging the plea agreement. She would rather have him removed from her care by the state than come right out and say she can't handle it.

She will then blame the state, act like a martyr and scamper off to the next man...next pregnancy...


all in my opinion.

Okay - I see a little more where you are coming from and going to with your opinion of the mother. I don't necessarily agree, but I "see!"

 

[OrdinaryLife]

What was she doing between the time Vince got full custody and the birth of her second child? She wasn't visiting the boy and wasn't paying support. She has nothing and is going nowhere.

IMO She no longer wants to parent this boy and is purposely sabotaging the plea agreement. She would rather have him removed from her care by the state than come right out and say she can't handle it.

She will then blame the state, act like a martyr and scamper off to the next man...next pregnancy...


all in my opinion.

I agree with you in that this is your opinion. However, I completely disagree with your assessment as to who this woman is. As I stated earlier, there has been nothing to show she is a selfish, abusive, or a Mother "slacker" taking advantage of the state and decree. So, there ya go.

imvho

 

[Linda7NJ]

It was a baseball dugout, for goodness sakes. It's not like he ran in like some crazed individual threatening or attacking anyone. This, imvho, is an example of making a Alp out of a goofy molehill.

The point is ....his mother wasn't supervising him. It could have been a very dangerous situation. Tensions are running high and he could have been severely injured, or even killed...if there have been even half as many death threats made on his life as some claim, I would think supervision would be a no-brainer. ( Supposedly, granny will use this as a defense to her wanting to by a gun)

Besides...how many spectators have you seen at a little league game run and try to sit in the dug out? I have never.

once witness a 2 year old break free & run onto the field.............

 

[southcitymom]

That is probably true OL if this was just some typical kid at the baseball game but that is not the case here. I don't know any parents or children who would want to sit with anyone that has killed someone.

Whether he is 9 or 99 that has to be creepy and makes them feel very uneasy.

imoo

Is he not allowed around people, OBE - is that a term of his probation?

 

[southcitymom]

I agree with you in that this is your opinion. However, I completely disagree with your assessment as to who this woman is. As I stated earlier, there has been nothing to show she is a selfish, abusive, or a Mother "slacker" taking advantage of the state and decree. So, there ya go.

imvho

That's what I get from what I have read too. I do think the mother has limited means, limited support - and of course who in the world would really know what to do in her position? It's very sad.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Is he not allowed around people, OBE - is that a term of his probation?

His mother was entrusted with his supervision...he is still under the courts juristicion. The state is ultimately responsible for him. If his mother can not supervise him and he is injured/killed as a result of an angry mob, or he injures/kills someone else......the state is on the hook.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

The point is ....his mother wasn't supervising him. It could have been a very dangerous situation. Tensions are running high and he could have been severely injured, or even killed...if there have been even half as many death threats made on his life as some claim, I would think supervision would be a no-brainer. ( Supposedly, granny will use this as a defense to her wanting to by a gun)

Besides...how many spectators have you seen at a little league game run and try to sit in the dug out? I have never.

once witness a 2 year old break free & run onto the field.............

I'm sorry, but it was a little league baseball game and I still believe that Alp has been built from the wee molehill. And, yes. I have seen many a child/ren, at little league, run back and forth into the dugout. 3 children's worth over 6 year period of time. Lived that and have the baseballs to prove it. Many, many baseballs....

Sorry, but this a nothing to me and has been blown waaaay out of purportion. As far as the Grandmother is concerned, there is nothing in the Court request from stating she was afraid of her grandson. Asked about buying a gun? Yes. Afraid of grandson? No. If I am mistaken, please point it out to me.

imvho

 

[southcitymom]

His mother was entrusted with his supervision...he is still under the courts juristicion. The state is ultimately responsible for him. If his mother can not supervise him and he is injured/killed as a result of an angry mob, or he injures/kills someone else......the state is on the hook.

Gotcha - thanks, Linda7NJ.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm sorry, but it was a little league baseball game and I still believe that Alp has been built from the wee molehill. And, yes. I have seen many a child/ren, at little league, run back and forth into the dugout. 3 children's worth over 6 year period of time. Lived that and have the baseballs to prove it. Many, many baseballs....

Sorry, but this a nothing to me and has been blown waaaay out of purportion. As far as the Grandmother is concerned, there is nothing in the Court request from stating she was afraid of her grandson. Asked about buying a gun? Yes. Afraid of grandson? No. If I am mistaken, please point it out to me.

imvho

You misunderstood me...supposedly ...rumor has it....granny wanted to by the gun to protect herself from the townsfolk....seems she will claim there have been death threats directed at her, the boy and his mother.

 

[Fairy1]

The hatred and lack of compassion for these PEOPLE by some on this board is frightening. I imagine it's very much like what they're forced to deal with in their daily lives. Fortunately, I know that Eryn and CR have a significant network of support that is doing everything in their power to assist them.

To those who have somehow managed to psychologically evaluate this boy - and his mother - without ever having met either one of them, I implore you to contact the court with your expert diagnoses, without delay, so that this case can move along. Clearly, you have some insight that the doctors have yet to gain. I think it's yet another travesty to have the good folks of AZ pay more for the evaluation when it's clearly been completed.

And I must ask those who insist that Eryn abandoned CR during his formative years and continued to neglect him in later years; how is it that you've deduced SHE is responsible for raising a murderer? This child was primarily raised by his father. For all intents and purposes, he was under his father's "supervision" when the murders occurred. I don't believe he's killed anyone since being in Eryn's care.

I'm quite certain Liz wants a gun to PROTECT her grandson and the rest of her family from the "lynch mob" of St. John. Can't say I blame her. IMO, CR is in much more danger than anyone else in that town.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Ya gotta wonder what that boy was even doing at the ball field, if the death threats are true.

Makes me think he was there on his own and totally unsupervised. and THAT'S SUPER SCARY to me!

 

[Fairy1]

Is he not allowed around people, OBE - is that a term of his probation?

No SCM, it's not.