AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #5

[Linda7NJ]

But the problem is he was 8! How can he be this non-remorseful, calculating,
plotting murderer at 8? Regardless of how this happened, his rights have been trampled from the start... if he WAS an adult he most likely would have gotten off anyway after the way this case was handled. If the same things took place they would hardly have a case to try. They botched it.

Those closest to the case have realized he is not these things so he has been allowed to stay with his mother, will get intensive treatment (inpatient or out) and will not be put in jail. So those that have seen the reports and have investigated his past realize he is no danger to anyone at the present time.

Ummm he obviously planned it, he carried it out and he tried to cover it up. Reguardless of his young age, he did it.

He was almost nine and I was say I found him to have above average intelligence and he was very articulate. I thought he was superficially charming and glib. Until his story started unraveling.

Please define "closest to the case"

I haven't seen anyone state he belonged in jail. I've stated repeatedly and from the very begining that he needed intensive residential treatment for a very long time. There is something VERY wrong with this child.

 

[dgfred]

my responces are in red

Your responses haven't been valid imo. No matter what nobody would let a cold, calculating, plotting, murderer of two men go live with his mom (one of the victims his dad) if he is going to be a danger IN ANY WAY to his mother.

If he was these things (which has been shown he isn't) he would NEED to be in jail... that would be the perfect place for him REGARDLESS of age.

The way this has progressed it is to the point where your arguements are not on the mark. He will NOT be jailed, he WILL get treatment, he WILL go on to live with his mom hopefully in another state and just maybe he can start to lead a somewhat normal life from this point forward. Doesn't this seem like the best path to you? So really no need to bash the boy any further, or his mother for that matter... everything seems to be working out ok. Thank goodness much of the world didn't take the video and set in stone their opinions of the boy and his life... so he at least had a chance.

 

[dgfred]

Ummm he obviously planned it, he carried it out and he tried to cover it up. Reguardless of his young age, he did it.

He was almost nine and I was say I found him to have above average intelligence and he was very articulate. I thought he was superficially charming and glib. Until his story started unraveling.

Please define "closest to the case"

I haven't seen anyone state he belonged in jail. I've stated repeatedly and from the very begining that he needed intensive residential treatment for a very long time. There is something VERY wrong with this child.

Those closest to the case are people that have actually talked to those involved such as the lawyers, mother, family members and others looking to help the boy.


But, he will not be in intensive residential treatment for a 'very long time' imo.
So, if he is not required to be there for a very long time would you be wrong in your opinions? :innocent:

What is VERY wrong with him, besides being 'charming' and 'glib'? Was he born this way? What causes this 'wrongness'? Please enlighten us.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Give me a break. Now you're going to claim he was sexually or mentally abused?

"Give me a break"? When the nasties go away in regards to a decent discussion/post, I'll respond.

Be well.

 

[perplexed1]

..seems to me his 'wrongness' may have been brought about by the ADULTS in his life, at the time....especially since there was no prior record of any bad behavior...or since,for that matter... and BTW...isn't the stepmother paralyzed for life?? There is talk of abuse from her...and others in the home.
Karma??

 

[sdn8tv]

Give me a break. Now you're going to claim he was sexually or mentally abused?

How do you know he was or was not. A simple exam by juvenile detention intake is all you have to go on...and this is what your are drawing your conclusion from. Everything else has been sealed.

 

[sdn8tv]

Ummm he obviously planned it, he carried it out and he tried to cover it up. Reguardless of his young age, he did it.

He was almost nine and I was say I found him to have above average intelligence and he was very articulate. I thought he was superficially charming and glib. Until his story started unraveling.

Please define "closest to the case"

I haven't seen anyone state he belonged in jail. I've stated repeatedly and from the very begining that he needed intensive residential treatment for a very long time. There is something VERY wrong with this child.

BBM

This was stated in an interview in AZfamily.com I'm sure you can find it. It was stated by his attorney, Ron Woods.

 

[fran]

FWIW, if the child was abused mentally, it would not have shown up on a cursory inspection at the time of his original incarceration. It would take a doctor, or doctors, to uncover mental torment.

This child has been under treatment for a year now. He's spoken to a number of doctors. Those records are sealed. We do NOT know what's in them.

It would serve no purpose now to unveil what the doctors uncoverd upon examination of this child. It could only open old wounds, damage the memory of the victims, and hurt the victim's family even further. All that for what? To soothe internet poster's curiousity or desire to be right.

I'll just leave it at that. One can believe what they will. But it doesn't matter how many TIMES you say it, it doesn't make it so,............ just your opinion.

JMHO
fran

 

[Linda7NJ]

Your responses haven't been valid imo. No matter what nobody would let a cold, calculating, plotting, murderer of two men go live with his mom (one of the victims his dad) if he is going to be a danger IN ANY WAY to his mother.

If he was these things (which has been shown he isn't) he would NEED to be in jail... that would be the perfect place for him REGARDLESS of age.

The way this has progressed it is to the point where your arguements are not on the mark. He will NOT be jailed, he WILL get treatment, he WILL go on to live with his mom hopefully in another state and just maybe he can start to lead a somewhat normal life from this point forward. Doesn't this seem like the best path to you? So really no need to bash the boy any further, or his mother for that matter... everything seems to be working out ok. Thank goodness much of the world didn't take the video and set in stone their opinions of the boy and his life... so he at least had a chance.

Is english your first language? You constantly insist I have said he would be going to jail. Just wanna know where you get that from.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Those closest to the case are people that have actually talked to those involved such as the lawyers, mother, family members and others looking to help the boy.


But, he will not be in intensive residential treatment for a 'very long time' imo.
So, if he is not required to be there for a very long time would you be wrong in your opinions? :innocent:

What is VERY wrong with him, besides being 'charming' and 'glib'? Was he born this way? What causes this 'wrongness'? Please enlighten us.

Guess it would depend on what you consider a "long time"

RTC usually run between a year and 18 months. It's rare a child is held longer. But it does happen. I suspect he will do the 18 months.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Draw whatever conclusion you feel you need. You simply do not know this family.

Nor do you. The boys original family was shattered by the boy. This new dynamic, is just that "new"

 

[Linda7NJ]

Those closest to the case are people that have actually talked to those involved such as the lawyers, mother, family members and others looking to help the boy.


But, he will not be in intensive residential treatment for a 'very long time' imo.
So, if he is not required to be there for a very long time would you be wrong in your opinions? :innocent:

What is VERY wrong with him, besides being 'charming' and 'glib'? Was he born this way? What causes this 'wrongness'? Please enlighten us.

It would seem to me that you've listened to only the boy's side.

Two people that really knew what what on in that house and with that boy are dead. The boy killed them both. Tiffany is all that's left. Anyone talk to her? I didn't think so.......

Normal children don't lay in wait to shoot their own father multiple times ensuring he's dead....then boldly lure another man to his death.

If you consider that boy "normal' ...there is really no point in discussing this case any further with you.

 

[Linda7NJ]

..seems to me his 'wrongness' may have been brought about by the ADULTS in his life, at the time....especially since there was no prior record of any bad behavior...or since,for that matter... and BTW...isn't the stepmother paralyzed for life?? There is talk of abuse from her...and others in the home.
Karma??

Please link me to this so called "talk"

 

[sdn8tv]

Nor do you. The boys original family was shattered by the boy. This new dynamic, is just that "new"

Linda...you don't know me. You don't know me or this family one bit. Ever question yourself why I'm so passionate about this... I do know this family...very well! I've been to every court proceeding, that's what is so frustrating when you express your opinion and it wrong. I do know what's happening, I do know what the out come is going to be. I do know what happened in this family. So don't tell me "nor do I"...and this is not my opinion...it is a fact. Go back and look at the previous news clips...I'm the brunette!

 

[jjenny]

..seems to me his 'wrongness' may have been brought about by the ADULTS in his life, at the time....especially since there was no prior record of any bad behavior...or since,for that matter... and BTW...isn't the stepmother paralyzed for life?? There is talk of abuse from her...and others in the home.
Karma??

What are you talking about? Why would she be paralyzed? He didn't shoot her.

 

[sdn8tv]

What are you talking about? Why would she be paralyzed? He didn't shoot her.

She was in a car accident in Feb 09. Single car accident out on the desert roads in Arizona. She saw "eye's" in the middle of the road

 

[dgfred]

Linda...you don't know me. You don't know me or this family one bit. Ever question yourself why I'm so passionate about this... I do know this family...very well! I've been to every court proceeding, that's what is so frustrating when you express your opinion and it wrong. I do know what's happening, I do know what the out come is going to be. I do know what happened in this family. So don't tell me "nor do I"...and this is not my opinion...it is a fact. Go back and look at the previous news clips...I'm the brunette!

Ouch! What? Wrong? It can't be. Guess it is now time to re-load the snarkycannon on that one since previous internet psych-analysis and predictions have been shown to be 'lacking'. :back: :slap:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Linda...you don't know me. You don't know me or this family one bit. Ever question yourself why I'm so passionate about this... I do know this family...very well! I've been to every court proceeding, that's what is so frustrating when you express your opinion and it wrong. I do know what's happening, I do know what the out come is going to be. I do know what happened in this family. So don't tell me "nor do I"...and this is not my opinion...it is a fact. Go back and look at the previous news clips...I'm the brunette!

I understand this.

HOWEVER what you're touting is ONE SIDE. I too am in constant contact with someone that is/ was close to Vince, Tiffany and the boy. I was contacted because my opinion matches their own.

There are always two sides....this time we are simply on opposite sides. I stand by my opinion and respect yours.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Ouch! What? Wrong? It can't be. Guess it is now time to re-load the snarkycannon on that one since previous internet psych-analysis and predictions have been shown to be 'lacking'. :back: :slap:

You can tell me how "wrong" I am when the boy is sent to a residential treatment facility.......just as I predicted. I also predict he'll be spending at least a year there.

 

[fran]

I understand this.

HOWEVER what you're touting is ONE SIDE. I too am in constant contact with someone that is/ was close to Vince, Tiffany and the boy. I was contacted because my opinion matches their own.

There are always two sides....this time we are simply on opposite sides. I stand by my opinion and respect yours.

You may be in contact with someone from St. Johns that knew the victims, but they would NOT know what the evaluations are. There's only a select few who know what's in those reports, UNLESS someone is violating the gag order.

Without knowing what's in those reports, we cannot know what the problem is with this child. Therefore, there's just as much chance that there WAS abuse as there was NOT. It doesn't matter what 'friends' say, they weren't there every day and night behind those closed doors. Anything could have been happening.

Releasing the results of the reports COULD possibly bring more heartache to this family. Having a need to be right in our own opinion isn't necessary and cannot be accomplished here because we're not in the 'loop.'

Have a nice Thanksgiving,
Sincerely,
fran