1 - how they are supporting themselves is none of yours or anyone else business.
2 - Tiffany took the dog she has been photographed on the internet with the dog.
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1 - how they are supporting themselves is none of yours or anyone else business.
2 - Tiffany took the dog she has been photographed on the internet with the dog.
I don't think anyone here thinks the boy doesn't need help. I have NEVER denied this. I have done some self reflection, I don't think it does me or anyone else here any good to continue to argue over this. At some point the whole truth will come out and then there can be a more meaningful discussion...until that time it is just not going to happen.
At first my reason for being here a year ago was to get as much information about this case that grabbed my attention...my heart hurt for this boy, his father and Tim. I immediately knew there had to be more to this situation and I couldn't get enough information.
Correct, Collette, I didn't know the family before, I didn't know what happened before this happened. I only know what I have been told by, the boy, by Liz, by Eryn. I have committed to the family that I would not talk about things that are not in the media or things that are sealed or are under gag...therefore I am vague...and I do apologize. I know how the boy is around other kids, he has spent quite a bit of time with my son, he has been around my young grandchildren.
Understand, I do believe he did this, I don't condone it, my goal is to help this young family recover. So my position when I see things that people continue to assume my blog as fact it drive me crazy. But it is an internet blog site.
My opinion of Tiffany is based on what I know and what I have been told. What I have seen of her in town, things she has done. I'm entitled to my opinion of her as you are entitled to your opinion of the boy and/or his mother.
No public evidence of abuse. All medical records and evaluations are sealed.
What some are going on here is the simple intake form from the juvenile detention center and what the defense attorney said in the beginning of the case. Well so there has been so much more progress of this case since 11/2008.
It will. It has been recommended that she charged. Follow the case after the sentencing...
While I commend you for allowing the boy to play with your child, knowing psychiatrists and the courts have said the boy has issues, I would not allow my child to interact with the boy. What the boy did was (apparently) manipulative and planned. If he currently has issues, which I believe he has, his behavior must still be unpredictable - even minus weapons. For those who say the boy did not do this crime, keep in mind that psychiatrists are still concerned with the boy's mental state.
Just asking.. Does your child/grandchild desire to play with the boy, or is this your idea? (I don't intend this to be a negative comment, but since you said you've become very concerned/involved with those in the case, I'm just wondering.)
We disagree of what the issues are...
Can you support those statement bolded by me? We don't have access to those evaluations. We have a comment made by the prosecution that said two of the five evaluations indicate that the boy needs residential treatment...not all children who go to residential treatment go because they are criminals.
Again...I'm not defending that he killed two people...I don't think it is/was right. I think there were a number of issues happening that led this child down a very dark path and he made some bad decisions...decision he and his family have to life with for the rest of their lives.
I don't "force" my children/grandchildren to play with people they don't want to and I resent you're implications...I'm not a crazy person who is going to force this anyone on my family. For whatever reason, our families have believe it or not there is a 9 year old boy across the street from me that goes to the same school with my son and this kid has a screw loose and I don't let my son play with him son or grandchildren.
ALL children in residential treatment have VERY serious issues. They are not "mentally stable"
If CR is being considered for a treatment center, IMO he has serious problems. Consider,
"Residential treatment centers are typically designed to house, treat, and educate children whose problems are severe enough that they require an environment that is supervised 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Typically, these centers include doctorate-level clinical staff, psychiatric intervention, and in some cases, locked facilities."
http://www.petersons.com/common/article.asp?id=1751&path=hs.fas.advice&sponsor=1
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I do not know who wrote that article..BUT..having had three foster children who were inpatient at these residential treatment centers I can tell you that the doctorate level staff show up for case review 1-3 times a week. The psychiatric intervention is done by Mental Health Techs paid typically 9-13 bucks an hour depending on state and location. The majority of these are locked.
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My children were in residential treatment facilities. One for more than 18 months and one for four years. They are grown now...their issues were the product of their abuse. They did act out violently. They now are productive members of society and the oldest now works in a residential treatment facility like the one she was in, teaching agressive children who are patients there. She is a special ed teacher, trained in theraputic techniques for agressive kids who were sexually and physically abused. My other child who was inpatient is still having troubles in her adult life...socially but not violent any longer.
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Abuse does not call for murder unless you are in fear for your life. The problem with that is that most child abuse victims are in constant fear for their lives. Having been one of those victims and plotted the death of my abuser with my sister...I can tell you that fear is real and all encompassing. If DFCS had not rescued me, I would be dead or he would. Can you say that I should have been locked up? I have been evaluated and the doctors have stated the only thing wrong with the child (at the time) is what has been perpetrated upon her. I really think the logistics of an abuse victim's life and thoughts are not the same as one not abused.
I do not know if this young man was abused or not....I really feel for the family's loss. I pray the complete and unvarnished truth be known.
That's why the recommendation was to send him out of state to a specific highly specialized place. Not just any RTC.
Foster children usually are not so lucky. Medicaid won't cover an extended stay at the very best advailable. Foster children have a high rate of Reactive Attachment Disordered children, but how many are actually treated at the very best & highly specialized residential treatment facilities?
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Good luck with that! It's my opinion.... We will never know everything because it wouldn't benefit the boy.
This particular child wasn't frightened in the least. He admitted he was in constant trouble at home for lying. He was exceptionally disrespectful to his father..... going so far as to threaten to kill him.... more than once, in front of witnesses. That wasn't a fearful child. A fearful & abused child would have STOPPED lying!
This child showed NO remorse that his father was dead, none. He sat there chatting up his interviewers calm & cool as could be. In one version of his tale, he was actually the hero! A day or two later he spins another lie to the CPS worker claiming he kept a spanking dairy ....in which he tallied 1000 spankings. If this child told me it was raining outside, I'd have to go out and look for myself...that's how much of a liar he is.
One thing for certain. He's extremely manipulative and a liar that laid in wait to murder his dad and lured another man to his death as well. It's my opinion, if he had anything against Tiffany, she would be dead too.
Well, how trustfully are witnesses after the fact? they are all not unbiased, so it depends how close the relationship with the victim was. If you read through all the interview's there are a lot of people who said that he was a good boy.
You stated that witnesses said he makes death threats against his dad, so why didn't his dad lock the weapons away, and how far can an 8/9 year old boy held responsible? how far is the responsibility of the adults in his live going? stopped the responsibility when something very bad has happened? it looks like the boy is held responsible alone for everything in this case. Nobody speaks about the irresponsibility of the adult for leaving the weapons with munitions around for an 8 year old kid who maybe makes death threads before.
IMO for allowing her husband to leave the weapons with munitions around, the remaining adult (Tiffany) should be charged.
At last if not abuse is the reason for the shooting's what motive do you think he had? there is no other plausible motive. Why did he fear to go home without the paper from his teacher? he was begging desperately for that paper, what is going on in a house where a kid fears to go home without a paper from school?
This is a quote from the article linked below
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My 3rd grade son has been known to FREAK HIS STUFF (tears, pleading for me to take him back for it, dramatic shrieks of "My teacher will kill me," just all around stressed out crazy behavior, etc...etc...) if he leaves his homework or a paper he thinks he needs at home.
No one has EVER given him a reason to respond like this - we don't beat him or abuse him and his teacher is awesome - in fact, we all work hard to teach him to chill about stuff like that. It's just his personality.
I am open to the idea that there was some controlling abusive stuff going on in that house at the hands of his Dad and stepMom....but I can also never stray far from the fact that most kids who are abused don't gun down two grown men - one of whom has not been accused of any type of abuse whatsoever.
I do agree that having firearms laying around in a household where there is high stress is not a good idea. But again, easy access to firearms is probably a fact of living in countless abusive households all over the world...and yet, we don't see something like this happen very often with a young child.
This case is painfully unique.
Just open the link below and you see why in most country's weapons are locked away, the adult's are responsible!
http://www.thelocal.de/national/20091127-23569.html
than search how much children kill in Europe, than search how much kill in the US.
It is out and out scary to hear kids tell how guns are managed, or not, in their homes.
To me, other factors are the influence of violence in our society which are different today. Cross generations are looking at the same picture but, quite often, they are perceiving the information differently. Older generations assume kids are understanding the message the same as them, but the kids are living very different lives than those lived by previous generations. The sturcture of the home may look the same, but it is, truthfully, very different and so are the influences. There is an assumption that through osmosis kids will understand and accept moral issues and choices the same as their parents. Violent movies, violent TV shows, violent video games can teach lessons of their own and quite often kids spend more time with those influences more than with the adults in their lives. When parents interact with their children, those unknown inflences can affect lessons without the parents realizing it.
Agree and very polarizing.
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