Identified! AZ - Yavapai Co., WhtFem 157UFAZ, 25-40, pregnant, Aug'95 - Name not found

[shanmosphere]

Would the fetal DNA be put into CODIS, and, if so, would it match with dad if he ever committed a crime and had to submit DNA?

This is a great call!




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[carbuff]

Plus if she were married, she probably would have notified everyone about it. It would be no secret. I also posted if the baby had any sort of defect. that could have been a motivation too.

I mostly agree. But it's unfortunately not uncommon for an abusive husband to separate the wife from her friends and family to the extent that she can't even let them know about a pregnancy. Also not uncommon to move abruptly to take her away from her support group.

Whichever the case, I can imagine a scenario where he takes her to this isolated place intending to murder her, she runs away, and he either decides not to follow her or can't find her.

 

[jenstar]

I know we're a victim friendly forum. And I'm not bashing the UID at all. I'm going to throw out a lifestyle "possibility" that could explain why she hasn't been ID'd yet. Could she have been a sex trade worker that had no family? And maybe being pregnant rendered her "useless" to whomever she "belonged to"?
What I'm saying is maybe she is a victim of more than "falling off a cliff" she could have been taken into the "sex trade" long before she became pregnant and shortly after she went missing.
Also, I think that if we're limiting ourselves to only profiles that say specifics IE "pregnant when missing or curly hair" whatever the case may be. We sleuth outside the box. Take disappearances even 10 years earlier that "age match" into consideration.
Keep in mind that reconstructions aren't ALWAYS 100% accurate. The shape of the tip of the nose may be off by as much as an inch wider or thinner; due to skeletal remains no longer having cartilage. The ears could be a bit smaller or bigger too. The hair could have been dyed, frosted or straightened.
These specifics give us tunnel vision. Open hearts,open minds. Have a good day guys, and keep up the good sleuthwork. <3 JMHO

 

[kemo]

Near where I lived, the remains of a man wearing rock-climbing gear was found in the brush at the base of cliff. No id was found and his identity was a mystery. Then, a deputy sheriff recalled that an abandoned car had been towed away a year or so before. Upon checking, they found that the car had been turned over to a finance company that claimed ownership when the payments were not made. They found that the former owner of the car was a young man from a city 150 miles away who had disappeared and was the subject of an active search with his family very involved. He was an avid rock climber who often took off on weekends to various sites without telling anyone of his destination. Had the deputy sheriff not remembered the car towing, the connection would not have been made. There is no system that interfaces between missing people and abandoned vehicles. I suspect this is what happened here.

 

[carbuff]

Near where I lived, the remains of a man wearing rock-climbing gear was found in the brush at the base of cliff. No id was found and his identity was a mystery. Then, a deputy sheriff recalled that an abandoned car had been towed away a year or so before. Upon checking, they found that the car had been turned over to a finance company that claimed ownership when the payments were not made. They found that the former owner of the car was a young man from a city 150 miles away who had disappeared and was the subject of an active search with his family very involved. He was an avid rock climber who often took off on weekends to various sites without telling anyone of his destination. Had the deputy sheriff not remembered the car towing, the connection would not have been made. There is no system that interfaces between missing people and abandoned vehicles. I suspect this is what happened here.

That's quite likely.

It's also possible that whatever agency was responsible for towing the car wasn't in contact with the agency that investigated the remains.

I don't get the impression that most agencies keep very good track of towed cars in the first place unless there's reason to think the vehicle might have been related to a crime. Otherwise it's just a nuisance.

 

[DrDMike]

Near where I lived, the remains of a man wearing rock-climbing gear was found in the brush at the base of cliff. No id was found and his identity was a mystery. Then, a deputy sheriff recalled that an abandoned car had been towed away a year or so before. Upon checking, they found that the car had been turned over to a finance company that claimed ownership when the payments were not made. They found that the former owner of the car was a young man from a city 150 miles away who had disappeared and was the subject of an active search with his family very involved. He was an avid rock climber who often took off on weekends to various sites without telling anyone of his destination. Had the deputy sheriff not remembered the car towing, the connection would not have been made. There is no system that interfaces between missing people and abandoned vehicles. I suspect this is what happened here.

Yes but a missing pregnant woman would stand out more than a missing male.

 

[carbuff]

I found a website that has quite a bit of information about this woman and how she was found. It includes an image of a local newspaper article that indicates they don't know how she died but it doesn't appear to have been complications of pregnancy. Also a couple of blurry but slightly different photos of the reconstruction.

http://yavapaisw.com/unidentified-victims/ and scroll down to the second entry.

 

[websurfer]

http://doenetwork.org/cases/157ufaz.html

and
http://www.nampn.org/cases/balsano_therese.html

seem like a match has it been submitted?

the solar sunglasses are from a eye clinic which is 25 years in business

http://www.delaneyeye.com/
I doubt they would have records from way back in the 90's
but still it seems like she may have kept the glasses and not tossed them?
About the pregnancy.
Sometimes women do not even know they are pregnant.
A show verifies that.
The show "I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS PREGNANT"
so it is possible nobody else knew either?

Cults are known to impregnate for one reason or another.
:seeya:

Cults also do not report a person missing and usually say well they ran away or something like that.
I believe this is her

http://www.nampn.org/cases/balsano_therese.html

 

[websurfer]

I found a website that has quite a bit of information about this woman and how she was found. It includes an image of a local newspaper article that indicates they don't know how she died but it doesn't appear to have been complications of pregnancy. Also a couple of blurry but slightly different photos of the reconstruction.

http://yavapaisw.com/unidentified-victims/ and scroll down to the second entry.

:loveyou::loveyou::loveyou::drumroll:

 

[carbuff]

Ruleouts list as of June 24 2014:

The following people have been ruled out as being this decedent:
First Name Last Name Year of Birth State LKA
Sherry Daughtery 1963 Arizona
Julie Grubaugh 1961 Arizona
Jodi Huisentruit 1968 Iowa
Dianna Vicari 1973 Arizona
Vernette Wester 1947 Arizona
Lisa Zochowski 1967 Arizona

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10766

 

[DrDMike]

http://doenetwork.org/cases/157ufaz.html

and
http://www.nampn.org/cases/balsano_therese.html

seem like a match has it been submitted?

the solar sunglasses are from a eye clinic which is 25 years in business

http://www.delaneyeye.com/
I doubt they would have records from way back in the 90's
but still it seems like she may have kept the glasses and not tossed them?
About the pregnancy.
Sometimes women do not even know they are pregnant.
A show verifies that.
The show "I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS PREGNANT"
so it is possible nobody else knew either?

Cults are known to impregnate for one reason or another.
:seeya:

Cults also do not report a person missing and usually say well they ran away or something like that.
I believe this is her

http://www.nampn.org/cases/balsano_therese.html

It's unlikely they are a match since both have DNA in the system. One method that I use to identify people is to match them up with people who don't have DNA, fingerprints and dental in NAMUS. Odds are the UI was never reported missing.
Ironically, both Therese and the Jane Doe both have the same regional administrator and contact. I did speak with the RA and she said the case has been rather active of late. She also stated that if both have DNA in the system, it would automatically match and notify those in charge of the case. In other words, it's an excellent match but unlikely.

 

[kemo]

This Doe was found in August '95 and was believed to have been dead 6 months to a year. She was wearing "cool" weather clothing. She probably found herself on that ledge sometime between late Oct '94 and early March '95. There are days all winter when the weather would be nice enough to hike a bit up the trail but in December and January, the sun would be low in the sky and not much would shine in the bottom of the canyon. Perhaps she (and likely a partner) climbed up the steep slope in search of a little sun.

Delaney Eye Care is in the town of Birdsboro Pa; a small town near Reading Pa. There is a good chance she had ties to the area. The metro area had a population of about 350,000 and I doubt too many women disappeared from there during the probable time window. Unfortunately, many missing persons did not make it on the data base because they were not reported or Law Enforcement would not take a report. Has any publicity been done by the local media?

 

[carbuff]

I went to the Charley Project, searched on "pregnant," and went through all 21 pages of possibles, of which these are the most likely. I'm not wild about any of them.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wind_elsa.html September 1992 is a little early and she's too young.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cassell_susan.html Susan fits pretty well but 1991 is probably too early.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/n/newball_cecilia.html Cecilia was 8 months pregnant in September 1994, so the timeline fits pretty well, but she was a tiny thing, about 4'11", which doesn't fit.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/parlier_ashley.html maybe 7 months pregnant in June 1995, may have been suicidal, timeline seems too tight though

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/freeman_angela.html 4 months pregnant in September 1993, which would make her due around Feb 1994. But circumstances make her unlikely.

Same with http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/burkholder_bertha.html

We've suggested http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/sollie_sandra.html before. She's not on the ruleouts list, though circumstances seem unlikely

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/j/jameson_lisa.html pregnant November 1991, which makes the timeline a bit early, and race is wrong.

 

[CCart]

Not Ashley Parlier, she went missing in 2005, not 1995.

 

[carbuff]

Not Ashley Parlier, she went missing in 2005, not 1995.

Thanks, I totally misread that

 

[kemo]

Anyone following the search for Mike Herdman? He was a California Firefighter who was camping in a rugged wilderness area and took off in Bare Feet to find his dog that had wandered off. His body was found 3/4 mile up a steep incline where he appears to have been unable to get back down. He was an experienced outdoorsman in very good shape. We don't know the cause of death but he was found on a ledge far above the canyon floor. The situation was very similar to our Jane Doe.

Bare feet would be a comparable impediment to advanced pregnancy for climbing on a rocky slope. Climbing up a slope can be far easier than climbing down the same slope because you can see every foot and hand hold up closely while going up but it is very difficult to see where to put your feet on the way down. It can be near impossible to find and retrace the route you took up.

The greater mystery is Jan Doe's identity. I think all of the pregnant missing women of that period can be eliminated. She apparently does not appear on any missing person data base. This is not to say she was never reported missing; just that no report was posted to NAMUS.

Until the early 2000's it was the policies of many police departments to take missing persons reports only from close relatives. Would the "father of her unborn child" be close enough? (I have speculated that he may have died on those cliffs with her).

Jane Doe did not appear to be a "marginal" type person whose disappearance might go unnoticed. Pregnant women can and do take off to start new lives ; possibly without the father. People might wonder, even close relatives and friends, but would a report be filed or acted on?

I still think the Reading Pa link to her sunglasses is the strongest clue.

 

[DrDMike]

Anyone following the search for Mike Herdman? He was a California Firefighter who was camping in a rugged wilderness area and took off in Bare Feet to find his dog that had wandered off. His body was found 3/4 mile up a steep incline where he appears to have been unable to get back down. He was an experienced outdoorsman in very good shape. We don't know the cause of death but he was found on a ledge far above the canyon floor. The situation was very similar to our Jane Doe.

Bare feet would be a comparable impediment to advanced pregnancy for climbing on a rocky slope. Climbing up a slope can be far easier than climbing down the same slope because you can see every foot and hand hold up closely while going up but it is very difficult to see where to put your feet on the way down. It can be near impossible to find and retrace the route you took up.

The greater mystery is Jan Doe's identity. I think all of the pregnant missing women of that period can be eliminated. She apparently does not appear on any missing person data base. This is not to say she was never reported missing; just that no report was posted to NAMUS.

Until the early 2000's it was the policies of many police departments to take missing persons reports only from close relatives. Would the "father of her unborn child" be close enough? (I have speculated that he may have died on those cliffs with her).

Jane Doe did not appear to be a "marginal" type person whose disappearance might go unnoticed. Pregnant women can and do take off to start new lives ; possibly without the father. People might wonder, even close relatives and friends, but would a report be filed or acted on?

I still think the Reading Pa link to her sunglasses is the strongest clue.

I believe the $64,000 question is how she got there. There were no abandoned cars nearby. Plus, a missing pregnant woman in the woods would be all over the news. I think she was abandoned and left to die by the person who took her there.

 

[traacker13]

I guess I assumed that this woman died of dehydration but do we know the actual cause? It was always my assumption for some reason that she was alive when she was dropped off in the location she was found. But now I am wondering if she may have been dropped off at this location after death....

 

[DrDMike]

I guess I assumed that this woman died of dehydration but do we know the actual cause? It was always my assumption for some reason that she was alive when she was dropped off in the location she was found. But now I am wondering if she may have been dropped off at this location after death....

Or bitten by a snake...

 

[4SAM]

Would a doctor perform eye surgery on a pregnant lady?