GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #1

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These two kids...I have many choice words I could say...they had every chance. Which is saying A LOT compared to kids that grow up less than 10 blocks away from where they did.

I don't want to be one of those people who immediately condemn people, but I can't see anyway that they weren't involved. If it can be proven, I'll eat my crow like a good girl.

In the meantime, while Oak Park has a few scary corners and is adjacent to a very scary part of Chicago...these two kids were on the other side of all that. I wonder if she had a sugar baby site to compliment her boyfriend's site?

MOO
 
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Heather is a lying liar who lies.


Just what are you trying to say, Lovejac?! Could you be a little clearer please? :hilarious:
 
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Just what are you trying to say, Lovejac?! Could you be a little clearer please? :hilarious:

:giggle: I wish I could remember the WS poster that originally posted that. It had me laughing for days!
 
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I'm not familiar with Bali law procedures. What is next?

ciao

I have been trying to research that a little. I do not believe that bail is even on the table ... I remember when a 14-year old Aussie on holiday there with his parents was caught with a little bit of pot. They wanted to put him in jail pending court, and our Govt and his family went to bat in a big way and managed to get him out on bail .. due to his age and the minor (to us) charge, and the fact that he would be glued to his parents' sides.

Once the matter is in court, however, they usually go before a panel of 3-5 judges. The judges ask questions, sometimes the lawyers do not even get to speak, and the judges make all the decisions. It is a Civil Law system (no juries).


In an inquisitorial system, however, the judges conduct an enquiry into the truth of what occurred, that is, the facts behind the legal issues in dispute.

For this reason, judges control the proceedings and may directly question witnesses. In some Civil Law systems, the judges may even dominate the hearing to such an extent that lawyers are left with few questions to ask at all.

The layout of an Indonesian court reflects the inquisitorial nature of Civil Law proceedings. The judges face the witness who sits alone in a chair in the centre of the court.

Lawyers are placed off to the sides, reflecting their relatively reduced significance in proceedings.

Judges may sometimes even call witnesses that the parties have not called, demand that additional witnesses attend or even refuse to hear from witnesses called by the parties.
There is also less emphasis on the rules of evidence in inquisitorial systems as judges tend to allow most material in and then decide on its merits at a later point.

http://www.law.unimelb.edu.au/files...rocess_and_Legal_System_Background_Notes1.pdf
 
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I have been trying to research that a little. I do not believe that bail is even on the table ... I remember when a 14-year old Aussie on holiday there with his parents was caught with a little bit of pot. They wanted to put him in jail pending court, and our Govt and his family went to bat in a big way and managed to get him out on bail .. due to his age and the minor (to us) charge, and the fact that he would be glued to his parents' sides.

Once the matter is in court, however, they usually go before a panel of 3-5 judges. The judges ask questions, sometimes the lawyers do not even get to speak, and the judges make all the decisions. It is a Civil Law system (no juries).




http://www.law.unimelb.edu.au/files...rocess_and_Legal_System_Background_Notes1.pdf


Interesting, very interesting. Jmo

ciao
 
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Yup!
I'm just going to put up these links, too, from Gawker, courtesy of Jezebel, in case the others disappear:
His Instagram:
http://www.enjoygram.com/tommyexx
SBM

From enjoygram,
he has IL state ID (not a driver's license, wonder why?) his dob = 07/13/93, so he turned 21 y/o last month.

Also, several (seemingly obligatory) pix of grass, joints, wads of $100 bills.
Wonder if he had any drugs w him in Bali?
 
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SBM

From enjoygram,
he has IL state ID (not a driver's license, wonder why?) his dob = 07/13/93, so he turned 21 y/o last month.

Also, several (seemingly obligatory) pix of grass, joints, wads of $100 bills.
Wonder if he had any drugs w him in Bali?



If he didn't bring any, I can guarantee he found some there.
 
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I'm just wondering how much longer before they turn on each other :rolleyes:
 
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Yep - he's in the big boys club now. Anyone picked up the other accused's DOB? My money's on her as perp. All just my opinion of course.

SBM

From enjoygram,
he has IL state ID (not a driver's license, wonder why?) his dob = 07/13/93, so he turned 21 y/o last month.

Also, several (seemingly obligatory) pix of grass, joints, wads of $100 bills.
Wonder if he had any drugs w him in Bali?
 
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:laughcry: That was fun. I especially loved that person posting those current remarks.

Surprised, they both seem tamer than I'd have thought. He's such a poser and a young fool. Shows off his ID.

They both could have had a good life ahead of them. If this was actually planned, they are the stupidest idiots of all time, JMO.

I expect to see a selfie of her from behind bars using her favorite word "typical".

Yes, she's probably not pregnant, but the lies are going to be noted, and added to the other lies about the six guys that overpowered them.

Just want to thank everyone here for sharing your views and news links. :wave:
 
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SBM

From enjoygram,
he has IL state ID (not a driver's license, wonder why?) his dob = 07/13/93, so he turned 21 y/o last month.

Also, several (seemingly obligatory) pix of grass, joints, wads of $100 bills.
Wonder if he had any drugs w him in Bali?

Well, they are both being tested for illegal drugs .. and woe to them if any are present.


"He says both are being tested for illegal drugs."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...rged-with-murder/story-fn3dxix6-1227026193359
 
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I read a recent article that in Bali, these 2 can face a firing squad.
 
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57 yr old British GrandMother, Lindsay Sandiford, is sentenced to face a firing squad for smuggling cocaine into Bali. The UK Gov't hasn't been able to intervene. My point is these kids committed murder. Passports only grant you permission to enter by the country visited. They don't grant any special dispensation to be exempted from being held accountable for the country's laws. It clearly states that in the passport signed by the holder.
 
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An autopsy has found that the 62-year old American woman murdered in Bali and stuffed into a suitcase died from asphyxiation after a blunt-force blow to her nose blocked her airway.

The head of forensics at Bali's Sanglah morgue Dr Ida Bagus Putu Alit said another blow from an unidentified weapon had also smashed one of the vertebrae in Sheila Von Wiese-Mack's neck.

http://www.ntv7.com.my/7edition/int...IED_OF_ASPHYXIATION.html#sthash.ZsxdI15D.dpuf
 
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"According to the police, yes they will stand trial for murder but due process must be followed first," Haposan Sihombing, the couple's appointed Indonesian lawyer said.

In contrast to most Western legal systems, in Indonesia, suspects are not formally charged with a crime until after an investigation is completed and a trial begins.

Police said the investigation could take weeks.

http://www.australiaplus.com/intern...ly-designated-prisoner-by-bali-police/1357494
 
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How does one go from losing the love of your life in April to killing someone else's mother in Sept more than 9000 miles away.

ciao

Quote my self, excuse sept don't know how I typed that. Mind moving to fast for my own good. Lol

ciao
 
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