GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #1

[Jersey*Girl]

Freaking sad. How could such an adorable little girl grow up to be such an ugly monster? Her poor mother never gave up on her. Can't even blame her bf Tommy entirely bc he only added to her issues. I wonder if she has some kind of bipolar disorder that could have been under control with medicine...idk, something? Seems to have such major issues and now her mother is dead, her mother that never even once thought of giving up on her. So senseless. So very sad.

 

[SouthAussie]

Just want to mention, there is no extradition treaty between the US and Indonesia. Extradition is not even in the cards.

Page 6 of this US Dept of State document provides a list of countries with whom the US has extradition agreements .....

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/71600.pdf

Source for link:
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70138.htm



In fact, if you look at Page 5 of this Indonesian document, you can see that Indonesia will only extradite to 9 other countries .... Australia is the only western country, and even we cannot get our people back here, due to their tough stance on drugs.

http://portal.ahu.web.id/dl/PP_UU/Dit.HIOP/Extradition in Indonesia legislation and procedure.pdf

 

[Curious Me]

Can you imagine the baby being used as leverage against the grandmother? I can. The daughter would've had the grandmother jumping through hoop$ just to see her grandchild.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Just want to mention, there is no extradition treaty between the US and Indonesia. Extradition is not even in the cards.

Page 6 of this US Dept of State document provides a list of countries with whom the US has extradition agreements .....

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/71600.pdf

Source for link:
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70138.htm

Thank you for this, SouthAussie.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/chicago-teen-boyfriend-charged-murder-bali-article-1.1904513

Investigators have not said how von Wiese-Mack died, but on Tuesday Mack and Schaefer lugged a suitcase to a taxi in front of the St. Regis, where the three were staying. They told the driver they needed to get more bags, then hastily checked out — days earlier than they were scheduled to — and left the hotel through a backdoor.

Family friends said the pair's relationship had been on the rocks ever since von Wiese-Mack's husband died in 2006.

Mack and Schaefer were arrested Wednesday. During two days of questioning, the couple refused to cooperate with police. Mack was even seen smiling and joking during one part of the investigation.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...d-with-bali-murder-could-face-death/14158339/

The couple, charged with murder Friday, is refusing to talk to investigators without the presence of American lawyers. Col. Djoko Hari Utomo, chief of police for Denpasar, said Saturday that police had enough evidence to charge them with premeditated murder.

Security camera video showed that the victim had an argument with Schaefer on Monday in the hotel's lobby. "The victim was last spotted on CCTV at 3:45 a.m. Tuesday, and three hours later she called receptionists asking to wake her up at 10 a.m.," Alit said. "However, she did not respond when awakened."

 

[SouthAussie]

Also, while Indonesia as a whole is about 90% Muslim .. the province of Bali itself is about 85% Hindu. They are a gentle people for the most part, and very afraid of Indonesian authorities (who the couple will appear before). So, if they end up in a small Bali jail .. it will not be as bad as if they end up in a mainland Indonesian jail.

Unlike most of Muslim-majority Indonesia, about 83.5% of Bali's population adheres to Balinese Hinduism, formed as a combination of existing local beliefs and Hindu influences from mainland Southeast Asia and South Asia.

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Bali

If you look at this map, you can see Bali is an island a few islands to the left of East Timor. Bali is a popular Aussie holiday spot. That whole group of islands now comes under Indonesian rule, after the Indonesians forcefully took over East Timor some years ago.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-8.4554714,115.071577,5z

 

[Jersey*Girl]

http://www.georgianewsday.com/news/...rder-called-her-lawyer-before-her-arrest.html

Attorney Michael Elkin said he heard from 19-year-old Heather minutes before Indonesian cops nabbed her in a hotel six miles from the luxury St. Regis Hotel in the tropical Indonesian paradise of Bali, where her mother's half-naked body was found crammed into a suitcase.

He said he had told her to go to the U.S. consulate in Bali but she did not manage to make it there before her arrest. He also said he had told her to say nothing to the Indonesian authorities.

'I told her at this point she is a foreigner in a different country, and the US embassy is her — quote, unquote — friend.

'I said, 'Do me a favor, remember Amanda Knox,'' Elkin recalled, referring to the American student who was initially found guilty of murder in Italy before her conviction was overturned. 'She didn't know about that case though.'

Heather's new boyfriend Tommy Schaefer, 21, joined them two days into the trip.

She and Schaefer had asked resort staff for a key to their mother's safety deposit box which contained their passports, but they had refused, saying Sheila had insisted only she should be allowed access to it.

They say Heather and Tommy had sex after the murder in what one officer called a 'thrill high,' although they have not said how they know that.

Just last month Sheila von Wiese-Mack called police after her credit card company called her about an unusual charge of more than $700. Cops went to the Conrad Hotel in Chicago and found her daughter and Schaefer, along with seven other youngsters partying in an eighth-floor room, authorities said.

Schaefer, who is 6 ft. 3 in., was arrested on a misdemeanor disorderly conduct charge after he 'started to wave his arms in an unreasonable manner.' In a video posted online he films himself in a squad car, calling the arrest a "f…ing pig stop.'

Heather was also taken into custody but released.

 

[Curious Me]

Also, while Indonesia as a whole is about 90% Muslim .. the province of Bali itself is about 85% Hindu. They are a gentle people for the most part, and very afraid of Indonesian authorities (who the couple will appear before). So, if they end up in a Bali jail .. it will not be as bad as if they end up in a mainland Indonesian jail.

If you look at this map, you can see Bali is an island a few islands to the left of East Timor. Bali is a popular Aussie holiday spot.

https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-8.4554714,115.071577,5z

Thank You so much for giving us information.

It sounds nearly impossible for these two, if proven murderers, to wrangle their way out of it. Have you ever followed a case that ended with the person actually dying by firing squad? How long are typical sentences before that happens?

 

[SouthAussie]

So, there may be more to why the FBI agent is there ... possible criminal activity in the US ... or is that a ploy to try to get them back to the US? Not that I think a ploy will necessarily work.

Dr Ida Bagus Putu Alit said death came quickly to the 62-year old .....

Dr Alit said Mrs Mack had died between when she was last seen on CCTV footage at the five-star St Regis Bali hotel at about 3am on Tuesday, and 8am.


Head of Denpasar police Djoko Hari Utomo ..... said the involvement of Mack and Schaefer in any criminal activity in the United States was still “subject to ongoing investigation”.

“We are making no connection to anything in America. We’re just dealing with what happened here … We don't know what happened there,” Mr Djoko said.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/autopsy...phyxiation-20140816-104y3z.html#ixzz3AaoUM3p8

 

[SouthAussie]

Thank You so much for giving us information.

It sounds nearly impossible for these two, if proven murderers, to wrangle their way out of it. Have you ever followed a case that ended with the person actually dying by firing squad? How long are typical sentences before that happens?

I haven't followed any cases where the executions have actually happened yet .. but Wiki says the executions are infrequent.


"The Indonesian government does not issue detailed statistics about every person facing the death penalty in the country. It is believed that there are around 130 people, Indonesians and foreign nationals, currently sentenced to die in Indonesia. About ten new death sentences are handed down annually, though executions are infrequent.

Many of the prisoners awaiting execution have been waiting for ten years or more. Four executions took place in 2013, the first since 2008."

http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Indonesia

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I wonder if she's going to pin it all on her boyfriend... If so, I wonder if that was the plan all along...

 

[Quester]

From here (The St. Regis Bali Resort):

http://www.stregisbali.com/en/gallery/guest_rooms

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To here:

http://www.amazon.com/Hotel-Shockin...e=UTF8&qid=1408214850&sr=8-1&keywords=Hotel+K

 

[Curious Me]

But I hate being woken up in the middle of the night taken to a remote location to face a firing squad!

Remember when the "it do girl" used to say, "Nobody tells me what to do". That's all changing fast.

 

[SouthAussie]

Here is an article written this year about "Hotel Keroboka" ... and there is a book about it by Kathryn Bonella. It is where the 14-year old Aussie boy (who was caught smoking a joint, and had a little bit of pot) was going to be sent to await his trial - you can see why our Govt and his family fought like crazy to get him released on bail. Though he wasn't allowed to leave Bali. He stayed there with his dad, and then our Govt got him brought home .. presumably through our extradition treaty.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/true...hellhole-kerobokan-prison-20140329-35pws.html

http://www.angusrobertson.com.au/books/hotel-kerobokan-kathryn-bonella/p/9781405039369


I have a brother who lives over there with his very gentle and kind Christian wife. He built a house with walls all around it and a high front gate. He can't even own the property as he is not Indonesian, it is in his wife's name. He loves it there though .. lives in a very small town on an island .. comes home from time to time to stock up on western things.
It is interesting to hear their take on things, and how the things that we consider small crimes are huge to the people there. The people there are not crazy about bules (said 'boolay' ... white man) - though they like our dollar.

 

[Curious Me]

I wonder if she's going to pin it all on her boyfriend... If so, I wonder if that was the plan all along...

It appears to me that her influence had the most to do with them ganging up on her mother in the first place going back to last month using the mother's credit card to stay in a fancy hotel, etc., Can't imagine how or why boyfriend got his plane ticket paid for to join them in Bali.

He had a vision of where he was going to end up, but apparently got side tracked.
http://www.enjoygram.com/m/692394719591257079_184236523

 

[SouthAussie]

Is his own mum okay? Has he stolen from her? They must have had some money to shack up at the hotel near the airport, and get transportation there somehow. I wonder what crime he/they could have been involved in back home.

And then perhaps they planned to get rid of her mum, get her jewellery and money, and take off for China ... or maybe that was a decoy and they planned to try to come to Australia .. we are close to Bali. :scared:

 

[Curious Me]

Here is an article written this year about "Hotel Keroboka" ... and there is a book about it by Kathryn Bonella. It is where the 14-year old Aussie boy (who was caught smoking a joint, and had a little bit of pot) was going to be sent to await his trial - you can see why our Govt and his family fought like crazy to get him released on bail. Though he wasn't allowed to leave Bali. He stayed there with his dad, and then our Govt got him brought home .. presumably through our extradition treaty.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/true...hellhole-kerobokan-prison-20140329-35pws.html

http://www.angusrobertson.com.au/books/hotel-kerobokan-kathryn-bonella/p/9781405039369


I have a brother who lives over there with his very gentle and kind Christian wife. He built a house with walls all around it and a high front gate. He can't even own the property as he is not Indonesian, it is in his wife's name. He loves it there though .. lives in a very small town on an island .. comes home from time to time to stock up on western things.
It is interesting to hear their take on things, and how the things that we consider small crimes are huge to the people there. The people there are not crazy about bules (said 'boolay' ... white man) - though they like our dollar.

What you're sharing is fascinating. Wow, your brother lives over there.

This man's book will be an interesting read. Thank You again.

"Survived Kerobokan, by Australian resident Paul Conibeer, describes a jail where some guards were willing to turn a blind eye to illegal activity as long as they were paid off."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/true...okan-prison-20140329-35pws.html#ixzz3Ab9dQGRZ

''I learned that there are really two of you in prison: the person you truly are and the person you think you are. Only one survives.''

BBM

 

[Curious Me]

Saying this in jest, "Guess the $50 an hour male escort business was bringing in a lot of money for him." :wink:

http://www.companions4women.com/companions/chicago/14015/Tommy+Exx.html

Isn't that the same jacket in evidence now?

 

[SouthAussie]

What you're sharing is fascinating. Wow, your brother lives over there.

BBM

Yes .. quite a few Aussies live there actually ... he meets up with them at the pub on a Saturday afternoon, just like in Australia.
It is a great place for surfing enthusiasts, cheap living, always warm, the Balinese folk are lovely - if you get away from the tourist zones.

You just have to have a good plan for medical help, if needed. One lady I know takes her own sewing kit and medical supplies to Indonesia when they go there surfing .. she has had to stitch her hubby up in the past when he has gashed himself on rocks underwater there. Others fly out to Singapore for medical assistance when required.