GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #1

[nightwatch]

Also, while Indonesia as a whole is about 90% Muslim .. the province of Bali itself is about 85% Hindu. They are a gentle people for the most part, and very afraid of Indonesian authorities (who the couple will appear before). So, if they end up in a small Bali jail .. it will not be as bad as if they end up in a mainland Indonesian jail.


Do you mean the jail in Bali is nicer? Once convicted do inmates move to a penitentiary type place or do the remain in local jails? Can't help but want the harshest environment for these two killers. Jmo




ciao

 

[Curious Me]

Interesting reading the comments from the Oak Park community. I'm not sure that they understand the kind of trial that these two will get.

http://www.oakpark.com/News/Article...r-Oak-Park-residents-in-Bali-suitcase-murder/

Well, the comments touch on something that has crossed my mind. JMO, I just want to understand why and how they all ended up vacationing together when there was so much animosity already.

Will I ever get the answers? Why were any of them not expecting more drama? :gaah:

http://www.oakpark.com/News/Article...r-Oak-Park-residents-in-Bali-suitcase-murder/

 

[SouthAussie]

Do you mean the jail in Bali is nicer? Once convicted do inmates move to a penitentiary type place or do the remain in local jails? Can't help but want the harshest environment for these two killers. Jmo

ciao

I think the local jail is smaller .. but once they are sentenced they would go to a bigger jail. I should have clarified that, because it doesn't say what I mean .. sorry.

(Sunday morning here .. brain is on idle )

 

[SouthAussie]

Well, the comments touch on something that has crossed my mind. JMO, I just want to understand why and how they all ended up vacationing together when there was so much animosity already.

Will I ever get the answers? Why were any of them not expecting more drama? :gaah:

http://www.oakpark.com/News/Article...r-Oak-Park-residents-in-Bali-suitcase-murder/

I'm still wondering if mum expected him .. evidently the daughter was expecting him .. but it could have all been arranged behind mum's back (using her credit card). Mum may have thought she and daughter were going to get some chilled 'away time' ... away from the friends and stresses, and could maybe learn to like each other.

Seems odd that he apparently showed up just a few days before the holiday was supposed to end.

 

[Curious Me]

Yup!
I'm just going to put up these links, too, from Gawker, courtesy of Jezebel, in case the others disappear:
His Instagram:
http://www.enjoygram.com/tommyexx
Her Vine:
http://vinebox.co/u/wiRxLezgBia

:bump: Actually, I have to use one of her favorite words when looking at her vine. Her home and teen life looked rather typical until now.

 

[otto]

When did they first meet? I thought I read that this was a recent relationship ... since April? Nine months ago is December 2013.

 

[Lovejac]

When did they first meet? I thought I read that this was a recent relationship ... since April? Nine months ago is December 2013.

:waitasec: I thought I saw a pic of him with his girlfriend that died in a car accident. But it was in 2014

I can't remember where I saw it now. I'll see if I can find it again.

 

[PaperDoll]

Was mom saying that after she paid for the boyfriend's plane ticket he and her daughter should pay his hotel bill?

This is what I read regarding boyfriends hotel bill:

"Von Wiese-Mack, 62, was seen arguing with the pair over who would pay Schaefer's hotel bill earlier that day, according to Tribune news services"

So I'm not sure what this means, does it mean mom will pay, or does it mean boyfriend will pay? :waitasec:

 

[nightwatch]

I have to say that I'm a little surprised that she isn't given the benefit of the doubt, hasn't hired a PR firm, and there aren't a group of people fundraising and rallying to bring their citizen home ... like what happened with Amanda Knox.

This girl has a long and nasty history. Seems everyone in their inner circle don't care for her based on how she treated her mother. Jmo

ciao

 

[otto]

:waitasec: I thought I saw a pic of him with his girlfriend that died in a car accident. But it was in 2014

I can't remember where I saw it now. I'll see if I can find it again.

There are more recent photos of him with his other girlfriend. Her car accident was in April - then he lost the love of his life. But the 9 month date on the photo of the two together, isn't that automatically set by the website?

 

[otto]

This is what I read regarding boyfriends hotel bill:

"Von Wiese-Mack, 62, was seen arguing with the pair over who would pay Schaefer's hotel bill earlier that day, according to Tribune news services"

So I'm not sure what this means, does it mean mom will pay, or does it mean boyfriend will pay? :waitasec:

There's another report that says she stated that she paid for his plane ticket, so they should pay for the hotel bill.

 

[T-Rex]

If the 911 calls go back to 2004, and Heather is 19, that means they started when she was 9. :-( (The paper made sure to say they were all between Heather and her mother.)

 

[nightwatch]

Was mom saying that after she paid for the boyfriend's plane ticket he and her daughter should pay his hotel bill?

I wonder if the mom had just found out that they used her cc to buy his ticket and was displaying her anger that they were stealing from her.

Surly Mrs Mack knew they didn't have money to pay for that expensive hotel she may have only said those words in anger. Jmo Mrs Mack also knew they were stealing reason she left instructions not to allow them access her lockbox. Jmo

ciao

 

[otto]

If the 911 calls go back to 2004, and Heather is 19, that means they started when she was 9. :-( (The paper made sure to say they were all between Heather and her mother.)

How old was she when her father died? ...

He was 76 and he died in 2006. The mom got a huge settlement because he contracted something like sepsis through a cut in his foot on a cruise ship, or trip, to Athens. 19 years old in 2014 means she was 11 years old when her father died. If the problems started when she was 9 ... did they spoil her and take her on trips to try to keep her happy?

 

[LinasK]

Not everyone here believes that Amanda Knox is guilty (or at least this person does not) so please, let's not lump the 2 together. It's pretty glaringly obvious from DNA and circumstantial evidence that Heather Mack IS guilty. Not so clear cut in the Knox case. I see no reason why the USA should agree to extradition in the Mack case. If you recall, Amanda was free to come home after being found not guilty in a court of law and released from prison. Whole other ball game.

No, Amanda Knox was NOT found not guilty- the original verdict stands and hopefully she'll be extradicted back to Italy. She's just another American who commited murder on foreign soil and cried, "Poor me, I'm an American"! Yes that is my opinion!!!
This American doesn't want Amanda in the US.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

She WAS adopted.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...7?login=1&nk=3d48e4043a010fbbbf81f8579d5388b0

How old was she when her father died? ...

He was 76 and he died in 2006. The mom got a huge settlement because he contracted something like sepsis through a cut in his foot on a cruise ship, or trip, to Athens. 19 years old in 2014 means she was 11 years old when her father died. If the problems started when she was 9 ... did they spoil her and take her on trips to try to keep her happy?

This interview with Sheila von Wiese-Mack contradicts both of these reports...

http://www.caxtonclub.org/reading/2013/may13.pdf

Thus began ten years of study with Bellow. “It was an extraordinary time. We studied the books Bellow wanted to study, which included authors Joyce, Fitzgerald, Dickens, and Balzac. Of course I also read all of his own books, but we never discussed them.” In Hyde Park she met and married the musician James Mack. “He had a big house in Oak Park where he’d lived with his previous wife, so it just seemed sensible to move there.” Among a variety of musical activities, Mack was director of music at Rockefeller Chapel at the U of C. At age 43, she had her daughter.

The family was on a cruise in 2001 when Mack caught his foot on something sharp in the swimming pool. It was duly stitched up by the boat’s physician, and he was able to walk off the boat the next day. But sepsis struck, putting him near death and permanently ending the use of that foot. “We never managed to get a significant settlement out of the boat company,” she says.“Partly it was that he died not too long thereafter of an unrelated problem.”

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Has this been posted yet?

https://mobile.twitter.com/heathermack319

 

[jmcgladr]

Has this been posted yet?

https://mobile.twitter.com/heathermack319

It says it's "protected."

 

[jmcgladr]

The whole ectopic pregnancy claim makes no sense to me. In order to know it was an ectopic pregnancy, she would have had to have blood tests and scans done. She didn't get these scans and tests done in Indonesia prior to making the claim (I don't see how she would have had time or opportunity) so that would mean she knew before she left the States, and anyone who has talked to medical professionals about this condition knows how urgent and life-threatening it is. A sane person would not board a plane for many, many hours to a remote destination in that condition. I would be very surprised if the doctors in Bali will find no evidence of this so-called ectopic pregnancy.

ETA: It has been confirmed that Heather Mack IS pregnant, but no indication it's really an ectopic pregnancy.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ntended-display-Bali-police-headquarters.html

 

[SouthAussie]

It is Anniversary Day in Indonesia today (their 69th). A day when their President also sometimes gives out pardons.

I just heard on our TV News that their President has shown clemency to a New Zealand girl who was jailed in early February this year after police found ½ a joint in her handbag. The President has knocked one month off her 10-month sentence.

This is considered to be a very light sentence. In fact, one reporter wrote an article about how she got her light sentence.


Leeza Ormsby's playbook on how to get off a drug charge lightly

- The 1st thing Ormsby did right when arrested on Feb 12th was shut her mouth. No protesting her innocence, no questioning the Indonesian justice system, no incidental comments.
- Her second wise move was to hire local lawyer Ary Soenardi. He has a good reputation … Soenardi was on the scene on the very first night.
- Was polite and co-operative.
- Said she was given the joint by a man she did not remember on the beach the day before, and she profoundly regretted smoking half of it with him.
- Said she had learned a ''valuable life lesson''.
- Ormsby outlined her drug history and pleaded addiction. (In the Indonesian system, being a drug addict is a mitigating factor.)
- She was polite and apologetic in court. Being polite and apologetic is also often cited by judges as they hand out light sentences.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/leeza-o...rge-lightly-20140702-zstsq.html#ixzz3AdUFyiZA