GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #1

[SouthAussie]

When did they first meet? I thought I read that this was a recent relationship ... since April? Nine months ago is December 2013.

Isisrising posted this link about his former girlfriend earlier ....

This article says Schaefer lost the 'love of his life' in a car accident in April this year:

http://heavy.com/news/2014/08/heather-von-wiese-mack-boyfriend-sheila-von-wiese-suspect/

 

[east2west]

It says it's "protected."

You can still pull up her account using the peoplebrowsr website and entering her twitter handle in the search box

 

[Jersey*Girl]

This is what I read regarding boyfriends hotel bill:

"Von Wiese-Mack, 62, was seen arguing with the pair over who would pay Schaefer's hotel bill earlier that day, according to Tribune news services"

So I'm not sure what this means, does it mean mom will pay, or does it mean boyfriend will pay? :waitasec:

There's another report that says she stated that she paid for his plane ticket, so they should pay for the hotel bill.

The audacity of these two blows my mind - they wheeled her out in the suitcase and then said she'd pay the bill when she checked out. Wow. Here's a word for word, basically as otto is saying -

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...el-romp-weeks-socialite-62-dead-suitcase.html

According to a staff reconstruction of the argument, Mrs von Weise-Mack, from Chicago, was seen pointing at Mr Schaefer, who had checked in after the couple earlier in the week, and telling her daughter: 'I’ve paid for his flight here, so the two of you should pay for the hotel.'

The three of them left the lobby area after the row but a few hours later, at 11.26am, Ms Mack and Mr Schaefer arrived in the reception area with a large suitcase wrapped in a bed sheet, refusing to allow a porter to take it out to a waiting taxi.

After carrying the suitcase containing Mrs von Weise-Mack’s body out to the taxi, Ms Mack and Mr Schaefer returned to the reception desk and said they would not be paying the bill - it would be taken care of by Mrs von Weise-Mack when she checked out later.

 

[jmcgladr]

You can still pull up her account using the peoplebrowsr website and entering her twitter handle in the search box

Thanks, but I don't seem to be tech savvy enough to use that site properly. Every time I try to go there, I get this web page with company information and pics of the CEOs and descriptions of various products, but I can't seem to find the page where you can search the site. I have a twitter account and downloaded it for my iPhone, signed in etc. but no luck with peoplebrowsr. I don't want to do a "free trial" of some software and enter in my credit card info. Have you got a link for the search engine part of the site? Is it free? Thanks.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

This interview with Sheila von Wiese-Mack contradicts both of these reports...

http://www.caxtonclub.org/reading/2013/may13.pdf

Thus began ten years of study with Bellow. “It was an extraordinary time. We studied the books Bellow wanted to study, which included authors Joyce, Fitzgerald, Dickens, and Balzac. Of course I also read all of his own books, but we never discussed them.” In Hyde Park she met and married the musician James Mack. “He had a big house in Oak Park where he’d lived with his previous wife, so it just seemed sensible to move there.” Among a variety of musical activities, Mack was director of music at Rockefeller Chapel at the U of C. At age 43, she had her daughter.

The family was on a cruise in 2001 when Mack caught his foot on something sharp in the swimming pool. It was duly stitched up by the boat’s physician, and he was able to walk off the boat the next day. But sepsis struck, putting him near death and permanently ending the use of that foot. “We never managed to get a significant settlement out of the boat company,” she says.“Partly it was that he died not too long thereafter of an unrelated problem.”

Quoting myself bc the article in dailymailuk says the opposite. Take it for what it's worth, it's daily mail afterall, which isn't really known to completely fact check before being first to get the story out... It's noteworthy that in several comment sections on various articles, people that knew Sheila von Wiese-Mack when she was pregnant and lived in the same Oak Park neighborhood, remember when she had Heather... FWIW, I'm just gonna go by Sheila's own words when she was interviewed unless or until its proven wrong. Afterall, Sheila is the one that would know. Re Heather's money? She inherited millions? From her father? She's only 18-19. Can't believe there wasn't some sort of codicil in the will, like maybe a stipulation that money only being given a certain amount over a period of years and that maybe she should work a job, attend school, show responsibili. Holy smokes!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...el-romp-weeks-socialite-62-dead-suitcase.html

From both the US and Indonesia, reports have emerged telling of Mrs von Weise-Mack’s troubled daughter, who is understood to have been adopted.

An insight into the family background and Ms Mack’s psychological problems has come from a writer to the Jakarta Post who said she was the same age as Heather, having been friends with her for years.

'Heather has always been a very disturbed girl. She was extremely spoiled and would often scream and throw things until she got her way,' the writer said.

'In 2006, Sheila and her husband were vacationing on a cruise ship when something went wrong and her husband cut his foot due to negligence. Sheila sued the cruise ship and won a sizable amount of money.
'Heather became even crazier with the newly-inherited millions.'

'Tommy recently lost the love of his life. In April, Tommy’s long-time girlfriend, Rachel Smylie, passed away in a car accident in Cape Town, South Africa.

'I guess Tommy and Heather started dating after Rachel’s death and I’m saddened that he got caught up in Heather’s insanity. Sheila was an incredibly nice, educated woman.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Just like Lovejac said, I'm calling bs on the ectopic pregnancy. She may be preggo but if it were ectopic then no way would she have boarded a plane. She's an adult according to her age. She wouldn't need her moms permission to have a baby. Plus, if its true that she inherited millions, then with as selfish as she is why would she chance her own life before having the embryo removed or relocated? Doesn't make sense at all. However, it does show how intelligent and conniving she is. I mean, how in the world would she come up with that right off the top of her head?

 

[Marg from Oz]

Just like Lovejac said, I'm calling bs on the ectopic pregnancy. She may be preggo but if it were ectopic then no way would she have boarded a plane. She's an adult according to her age. She wouldn't need her moms permission to have a baby. Plus, if its true that she inherited millions, then with as selfish as she is why would she chance her own life before having the embryo removed or relocated? Doesn't make sense at all. However, it does show how intelligent and conniving she is. I mean, how in the world would she come up with that right off the top of her head?

I don't think she has access to millions of dollars. Why would she steal her Mother's credit card if she had money. If she was left money from her father maybe it is tied up in a trust until she is a certain ageor her mother had control of it. JMOO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I don't think she has access to millions of dollars. Why would she steal her Mother's credit card if she had money. If she was left money from her father maybe it is tied up in a trust until she is a certain ageor her mother had control of it. JMOO

I know, which is why I'm questioning dailymailuk on their reporting... I agree with you.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I hope to heaven that US authorities are pulling all tech internet searches from Heather & Tommy - cells, PC/Laptop/Notebook/MacBook from their respective homes...

 

[quesarita]

From TS Facebook page, I believe the reason he arrived in Bali later than HM and her mother was because he didn't have his passport yet when they left. He said something about how he paid $200 for an expedited passport and it still didn't arrive in time.

 

[PaperDoll]

Heather claims mistreatment while in custody... (WHATEVER) :boohoo:

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...murder-bali-pregnant-lawyer/story?id=25008307

 

[DeDee]

Two or three questions:

1. If Heather is expecting, what actions will the prison take after the baby is born assuming she is, indeed, with child? Adoption may save the baby's life from a life with an abusive mother.

2. Tommy and Shelia were witnessed arguing loudly in the lobby. That would be soon after his arrival. Correct? Why would Shelia go inside the hotel room registered to Tommy? My impression is that Mrs. Mack detested TS; therefore, I cannot understand her entering that killer's room on her own accord.

 

[gitana1]

Peeking behind the fancy resort pictures and doing some computer searches about Bali. Any innocent tourist should do some research before traveling, and more so, anyone planning to commit a crime there. Yikes!

Strange place with what seems a strange legal system. MOO.
You can be put to death in front of a firing squad for some drugs! Yet, only get fifteen years in prison for killing someone?

Anybody going there should really do some computer searches. Let me just say, there's so much controversial reading material online about Bali.

Sounds like it's uncomfortably humid in the main prison and death by disease is possible.

IMO, these two who apparently murdered Sheila will not have a happy future.

15 years would be only for manslaughter, which is what they started investigating for. It is highly doubtful they will end up convicted for only manslaughter.

Just want to add ... jail is no picnic there apparently. You are basically thrown in .. sleep on mats with all the other people. You are not given three meals a day, family needs to supply your food. There are plentiful mosquitoes, vermin. One of our more high profile cases .. Schapelle Corby who was caught with pot in her luggage .. 20 year sentence .. no appeal .. must have Indonesian lawyer. Her sister moved there to feed her. Schapelle started going a bit cuckoo after a few years, but stopped causing 'trouble' (intervention) after a few years and was eventually granted a pardon after 9 years and is home now.

Some drug-mule young lads got caught there, death penalties and life sentences, one death penalty has been commuted to a life sentence after much legal and political wrangling. Haven't heard about the others yet. But they are in jail there for the rest of their lives. They were late teens/early twenties in age when caught.

I followed that case for awhile. I had no idea she was released

 

[Lovejac]

Heather claims mistreatment while in custody... (WHATEVER) :boohoo:

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...murder-bali-pregnant-lawyer/story?id=25008307

I can only hope it's true

Must be hard to not be served food on fine china and sterling silver.

You know 'what it do'

 

[gitana1]

This pair is definitely NOT outstandingly smart.... idiots :laughing:

You know what I think it is? They're spoiled like casey anthony. They're so used to getting their way by making demands and arguing, that they thought they'd get their way here as well.

 

[gitana1]

Heather will be able to have all the goodies she can buy as far as food goes and not go hungry, however she'll be in a dorm with all other females; sleeping on a mattress on the floor with about a foot of space next to her mattress where she can stash her stuff. (see example: http://resources3.sbs.com.au/news/s...ic/corbyincell_140206_Getty.jpg?itok=5WmcJAf3 ) The women have a grassed area to exercise in, however boredom will be the biggest challenge.

As for the young man, the best thing he can do IMO (I'm not preaching here it's a simple fact of life in that part of the world) - would be by converting to Islam (national religion of Indonesia) if that is not already a part of his life. That might save his wretched self from the firing squad and give him something to focus on. He'll have the company of other foreign males - plenty of surfie Aussies pot smugglers in there.

Obama will have to tread lightly with any opinion, considering that he lived in Indonesia as a child; plus the political/geographic Chicago in common.

From what I've observed from Aussie cases, yes they have to engage local legal teams.

Obama wont comment on this case at all. IMO.

 

[gitana1]

Yes, it is really hard to believe, isn't it? The Indonesians do not generally let anyone else be involved in their investigations and legal process - goodness knows, we have tried and tried where our people are involved, and we have a relationship and proximity with Indonesia.

Are we sure it is true? The only source I can find so far, from this area, is the Daily Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...gate-murder-Chicago-socialite-Bali-hotel.html

I bet it's true. Probably because she is facing a possible death penalty and because she's the daughter of privilege, not some known drug dealer or whatever. The US probably feels it needs to be somewhat involved when a citizen is facing death in a foreign country.

 

[otto]

If Heather is pregnant, then she'll have to put up with medical treatment in Bali. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that claiming to be pregnant is one of the manipulations she used with her mother. She'll also have to put up with Bali lawyers and justice. She'll finally understand that she was spoiled throughout her childhood and that what she demanded from her mother is not what she is entitled to.

 

[gitana1]

My God.
To beat your mother to death, even whilst she fought back to the point of her fingers being broken, then stuffing her halved clothed body into a suitcase, leaving Mum's body in a taxi and running off to new hotel for a snooze with boyfriend who appears to have been involved with it all?
86 domestic disturbance calls to the family home over the last 10 years? That would mean that this girl was only 9 years old at the time that those 911 calls started.
This may sound mean. But I'm glad this happened in Bali, and NOT the USA.

Oh. Me too. I'm almost gleeful about it. I know that's horrible. But I can't help it. This won't be a casey anthony case.

Not everyone here believes that Amanda Knox is guilty (or at least this person does not) so please, let's not lump the 2 together. It's pretty glaringly obvious from DNA and circumstantial evidence that Heather Mack IS guilty. Not so clear cut in the Knox case. I see no reason why the USA should agree to extradition in the Mack case. If you recall, Amanda was free to come home after being found not guilty in a court of law and released from prison. Whole other ball game.

I agree 100%.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-bali-suitcase-death-mack-0816-20140817-story.html

"... [HM] has been in court before. In December 2011 she was arrested on domestic battery, aggravated battery and battery charges, according to Cook County juvenile records. A family friend said the arrest followed a violent argument with her mother. ... [HM] was represented by an attorney hired by her mother — was placed on one year of court supervision after she was found guilty of battery. She was ordered to undergo mandatory counseling, including for anger management, as part of a violence prevention program. ..."

She reminds me of Nancy Spungen of Sid and Nancy fame. Just an out of control kid with rage problems who gave her parents hell her whole life. I think Nancy's mom paid for her to have an apartment just because she couldn't deal with her. Nancy's mom wrote a book about her daughter and how horrible life was with her since she was quite small. It reminds me of this case.

Heather Mack appears to be one incredibly despicable human being. She has a major history of discord with her mother. I read that her mom was warned not to take her daughter on this trip bc of the fighting she's endured with her, including Heather breaking her mother's arm...among other things.

I hope Heather & Tommy aren't allowed to be extradited. They did the crime there so do the time there. Hopefully they don't get out of prison alive.

As far as the baby is concerned, if Heather carries it full term, then either somebody in the family can take care of it or it can be adopted out. This chick in no way shape or form should be allowed to raise a baby when considering her issues...even if she gets out.

She will never, ever be extradited and unless the whole thing is pinned on her boyfriend, Bali is her home for life.

 

[gitana1]

Just want to mention, there is no extradition treaty between the US and Indonesia. Extradition is not even in the cards.

Page 6 of this US Dept of State document provides a list of countries with whom the US has extradition agreements .....

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/71600.pdf

Source for link:
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/faqs/70138.htm

In fact, if you look at Page 5 of this Indonesian document, you can see that Indonesia will only extradite to 9 other countries .... Australia is the only western country, and even we cannot get our people back here, due to their tough stance on drugs.

http://portal.ahu.web.id/dl/PP_UU/Dit.HIOP/Extradition in Indonesia legislation and procedure.pdf

Yes and there is zero evidence that the US is trying to extradite them back home for any crime cmitted in the US, which iOS the only thing extradition is used for.

As many have said, if this was premeditated then it wasn't well thought out. Talk about stupid!

Imagine the plan - Let's argue with your mother on camera, kill her, try to get into her hotel safe box, stuff her in a suitcase with blood dripping on the outside but cover it with a suspicious cloth, then take it down to a taxi while leaving the driver waiting for us, continue stupidity checking into another hotel and have sex and sleep, etc.,

It's embarrassing, if this was premeditated, for the U.S. to admit we educated these two einsteins. Just saying.

However, I don't know why TS seemed to think on a social media post that he might not be coming back to the U.S.

I do think it could've been sudden. His statement could've been similar to what many people say when heading to paradise for vacation: "I might just stay there!"

Harder to to explain is his statement to his roommate that he was going to come back with tons of money.

BTW, I think his passport was held in the SD box because that's typical of tourists in these countries, so nothing gets lost. I'm sure he felt it easier to put his in with theirs. I just think they didn't anticipate not being able to access it after the murder.

I have to say that I'm a little surprised that she isn't given the benefit of the doubt, hasn't hired a PR firm, and there aren't a group of people fundraising and rallying to bring their citizen home ... like what happened with Amanda Knox.

I wish we could leave that case out of this one. Here, it is obvious. There is almost a literal smoking gun. In that case, however, it's not obvious. In fact, other than those in Italy, I don't know of one attorney, myself included, who believes there is
merit to the charges against, or convictions of, Knox.

It makes sense why this gal is pretty much on her own.