GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #1

[Curious Me]

BBM It sounds like the daughter's main problem was being spoiled, JMO.
It just makes me sick that she was allowed to psychologically torture her mother for years before, most likely, she literally killed her mother. The boyfriend took the wrong turn when he decided to get involved with this girl and will pay a high price for that decision.

'Heather has always been a very disturbed girl. She was extremely spoiled and would often scream and throw things until she got her way,' the writer said.

'In 2006, Sheila and her husband were vacationing on a cruise ship when something went wrong and her husband cut his foot due to negligence. Sheila sued the cruise ship and won a sizeable amount of money.


'Heather became even crazier with the newly-inherited millions.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ter-luxury-hotel-lobby-just-hours-murder.html

 

[jodierenee]

The BF referred to her at Heather Reyes-Mack on FB. I'm guessing she was adopted and was using her bio mom's last name? I can see her being hispanic/african american


This looks to be her FB before it was taken down:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ck+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

 

[Paulette]

I think they'll be found guilty, and I think they'll pretty soon be asking to have their sentences served in the US.

It will be a travesty if mom's money is used to fund their defences, but I fear it might be. I suspect daughter will inherit all, unless someone objects.

I looked up "inherit money from murder". It's called the slayer rule.

From Wikipedia: The slayer rule, in the common law of inheritance, is a doctrine that prohibits inheritance by a person who murders someone from whom he or she stands to inherit (e.g., a murderer does not inherit from parents he or she killed). In calculating inheritance of the decedent's estate, the effect of the slayer rule was that the slayer would be treated as though he or she had predeceased the person who had been murdered, therefore his or her share of the estate would pass to his or her issue.

I suspect that this rule be invoked for Heather Mack.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slayer_rule

 

[Curious Me]

I think they'll be found guilty, and I think they'll pretty soon be asking to have their sentences served in the US.

It will be a travesty if mom's money is used to fund their defences, but I fear it might be. I suspect daughter will inherit all, unless someone objects.

Upsetting to think about what you brought up about daughter inheriting all the money! Wonder if she has her own trust fund.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think they'll be found guilty, and I think they'll pretty soon be asking to have their sentences served in the US.

It will be a travesty if mom's money is used to fund their defences, but I fear it might be. I suspect daughter will inherit all, unless someone objects.

BBM …… Good luck to that. As I mentioned before, quite a few young, silly Aussies have done criminal things in Bali – mostly drugs.

Bali is a BIG vacation destination for many, many Aussies. It is close by, cheap, the Balinese people are lovely, weather is always warm …..

But the Indonesian legal system is not one to be messed with. It is harsh, very different to any western system, a person’s rights are very limited.

Australia has tried to intervene and have young Aussies returned here to serve out their very, very long Indonesian sentences. No go. It has never been allowed. The most we have achieved is having a death penalty changed to a life sentence.

The Indonesians are very proud. They don’t care who tries to intervene. There are rumours of bribery at lower levels of law enforcement, pay to get out of trouble, but once it reaches the higher levels and publicity is high, that is rumoured to be out of the question.

The most one can hope and pray for is a presidential pardon – the president does allow some pardons on an annual basis – when he thinks you may have served enough time.

 

[Quester]

http://chicagoist.com/2014/08/14/chicago_woman_murdered_in_bali_daug.php

"... [HM] and [TS] later checked in to a cheaper hotel nearby, but aroused suspicions when they checked in without luggage. Security were able to identify the pair after [HM] filled out a voucher for Internet access at the hotel. ..."

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BBM - Would love to see their internet search history from that hotel!!!

"boat schedule from Bali to China" ???
"prison accommodations on Bali" ???
"can i have my iPhone and internet access in Bali prison" ???
"prison spa" ???
"prison food" ???
"we're screwed" ???
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[Curious Me]

BBM …… Good luck to that. As I mentioned before, quite a few young, silly Aussies have done criminal things in Bali – mostly drugs.

Bali is a BIG vacation destination for many, many Aussies. It is close by, cheap, the Balinese people are lovely, weather is always warm …..

But the Indonesian legal system is not one to be messed with. It is harsh, very different to any western system, a person’s rights are very limited.

Australia has tried to intervene and have young Aussies returned here to serve out their very, very long Indonesian sentences. No go. It has never been allowed. The most we have achieved is having a death penalty changed to a life sentence.

The Indonesians are very proud. They don’t care who tries to intervene. There are rumours of bribery at lower levels of law enforcement, pay to get out of trouble, but once it reaches the higher levels and publicity is high, that is rumoured to be out of the question.

The most one can hope and pray for is a presidential pardon – the president does allow some pardons on an annual basis – when he thinks you may have served enough time.

What will happen if the daughter gets an expensive, slick attorney to use daughter's mental illness as her defense?

 

[MsAnais]

The BF referred to her at Heather Reyes-Mack on FB. I'm guessing she was adopted and was using her bio mom's last name? I can see her being hispanic/african american


This looks to be her FB before it was taken down:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ck+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Thanks for that jodierenee! :happydance: I've been looking for her FB in vain!

I see she also uses the name Natalia Mack on her FB page........she's got lots of names going on :thinking:

 

[Simply Caustic]

The Conrad Hotel, eh? Fancy digs. Oak Park is a beautiful suburb of Chicago, that has very affluent portions to it...and also has a rougher side to it, as well.

Just makes me shake my head, that they get out of Chicago safe...and then Mom is murdered in Bali. What are the chances of that?! (IMO, with a daughter like that, the chances are good, but that's JMO)

 

[SouthAussie]

Just want to add ... jail is no picnic there apparently. You are basically thrown in .. sleep on mats with all the other people. You are not given three meals a day, family needs to supply your food. There are plentiful mosquitoes, vermin. One of our more high profile cases .. Schapelle Corby who was caught with pot in her luggage .. 20 year sentence .. no appeal .. must have Indonesian lawyer. Her sister moved there to feed her. Schapelle started going a bit cuckoo after a few years, but stopped causing 'trouble' (intervention) after a few years and was eventually granted a pardon after 9 years and is home now.

Some drug-mule young lads got caught there, death penalties and life sentences, one death penalty has been commuted to a life sentence after much legal and political wrangling. Haven't heard about the others yet. But they are in jail there for the rest of their lives. They were late teens/early twenties in age when caught.

 

[MsAnais]

So on the search results for her now-defunct FB page it says this (bbm):

Heather Reyes-Mack
Boss at: Cook County Juvenile Detention Center
Studied at: University of Southern California
Lives in: Chicago, Illinois

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...public/Natalia-Mack+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

Obviously that's a joke as she's not the boss of the detention centre, but I'm wondering if she's spent a fair bit of time in there as a teenager??

 

[SouthAussie]

What will happen if the daughter gets an expensive, slick attorney to use daughter's mental illness as her defense?

My understanding is that the slick, expensive attorney would have to work with an Indonesian lawyer - and the Indonesian lawyer would do all the court stuff.

Schapelle Corby could not get out when she reportedly started going mentally off-balance in jail (her family and lawyer tried hard to get her out).

But I haven't heard about any cases where mental illness has been used as a defence, or if it can even be used as a defence. I would have thought others would have tried to use it as a defence, if it was possible to do so.

:dunno:

 

[MsAnais]

Well, they're checking out her mental health:

Indonesian police have run psychiatric tests on the teenage daughter of an American woman found dead inside a suitcase in Bali.

........."We have done blood and psychiatric tests to try to find out their motive in the case, maybe they are mentally unstable," Djoko Hariutomo, police chief for Bali's provincial capital Denpasar, told reporters.

"So far we haven't gotten any information on what is behind the murder. Is it financial or something else? We don't know."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-...ack-mental-health-after-mother-killed/5671898

 

[Quester]

Result of search on HM's name - came up with following new video - says it's video from their visit to hotel they supposedly charged to her mom's credit card w/o mom's authorization:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXPHfCxj_mY

 

[Quester]

http://www.redeyechicago.com/news/l...woman-killed-in-bali-20140814,0,2983653.story

"... A St. Regis hotel official said the incident was believed to have taken place in a room booked by Schaefer. ..."

"... Risata Bali security confirmed their identities after Schaefer asked resort staff for a voucher to use the Internet and they alerted authorities, said ---, a hotel manager. ..."

[photo 10/11:]

Mack family
The Macks submitted a photo for a holiday sweater story in the Chicago Tribune in December 2004. "Our family's matching holiday sweaters celebrate winter and the snow." -- Heather, age 9, James and Sheila Mack, Oak Park. (Mack family)

 

[east2west]

It sounds like Sheila wanted to spend a really nice 10 day vacation with her daughter, and that the boyfriend showed up unexpectedly ... although her daughter was expecting him. He probably expected to stay in the room with them, which Sheila wouldn't agree to - for obvious reasons. It also seems like murder was planned but, as with some premeditated murder, getting rid of the body wasn't properly sorted out. Tragic.

If this was premeditated prior to their vacation beginning, what was the daughter thinking on that 20 + hrs of flying from ORD to DPS (including connect time). Wonder what thier conversation was buckled in next to one another for the long journey.

Chilling

 

[SophieRose]

Indonesia does have the death penalty for premeditated murder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Indonesia

Prisoners (particularly those convicted of murder, terrorism or drug offences) spend a long time languishing in prison before their sentence is finally carried out. They are woken up in the middle of the night and taken to a remote (and undisclosed) location and executed by firing squad.

 

[east2west]

http://www.smh.com.au/world/bali-po...ed-in-bali-20140814-103xzv.html#ixzz3ALkWKxoi

"... They went directly to Ngurah Rai airport and the immigration counter, saying they had lost their passports and needed new ones to fly out. ..."

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I wonder where they intended to fly? What their thwarted plans included?

[knuckleheads!]

Idiots

 

[east2west]

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I hope they both get what is coming to them, and more.
Can you just imagine how they had to work to get her poor mother inside that suitcase? . Both of them.

Apparently alot of work. Weren't they found resting at another hotel near from the lobby cab stand.?

 

[MsAnais]

http://www.redeyechicago.com/news/l...woman-killed-in-bali-20140814,0,2983653.story

"... A St. Regis hotel official said the incident was believed to have taken place in a room booked by Schaefer. ..."

"... Risata Bali security confirmed their identities after Schaefer asked resort staff for a voucher to use the Internet and they alerted authorities, said ---, a hotel manager. ..."

[photo 10/11:]

Mack family
The Macks submitted a photo for a holiday sweater story in the Chicago Tribune in December 2004. "Our family's matching holiday sweaters celebrate winter and the snow." -- Heather, age 9, James and Sheila Mack, Oak Park. (Mack family)

It makes me sad to see that photo :facepalm:

Her parents had NO IDEA then of how this would all end up. Ugh!!!