GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #2

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  • #181
O/T: Here's an idea, how about placing one of the following flowers in HM & TS' holding cells?
That ought to get them talking and fast just to get away from the thing!

1x1

Botanic Garden boasts that it's getting a 'corpse flower'

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...anic-garden-corpse-flower-20140829-story.html

How ironic that it was first discovered in Sumatra, Indonesia. Learn new things every day on this forum. Lol
 
  • #182
Apparently he must like the pleasant ambiance and culinary delights of Hotel Kerobokan - which is evidently where he met Schapelle, according to the article.

How the heck do they meet potential mates of the opposite sex while in prison/jail?

Low-key relationship may save Schapelle from losing parole after boyfriend allegedly busted with drugs
http://www.9news.com.au/world/2014/08/29/11/35/corby-s-boyfriend-caught-with-drugs-reports

Thanks for sharing this. He's handsome, and she's lovely. I am always shocked at the strict laws there, and the prison time, especially for this particular drug. Why did he risk his freedom there again!

I didn't know Schapelle had to stay there to serve out her parole. She can't go home or leave the country?

Why are they, the arrested, all wearing masks in the picture? Oh, there's a video too.

My questions too. Is pot worth 12 years? And why the terrorist ski masks?

I have gone through every single thing of Tommy's that I can find. His relationship with his exgf was very serious. They dated off and on since grade school. They were very big parts of each other's lives. It definitely wasn't Tommy taking advantage of her death for media exposure as some have suggested. He really does seem deeply affected by her death according to his online comments and such. She was a humanitarian and college student. He did drop out of college to pursue a music career. Some people question that but I know people that have done this - one of my friends did this same thing but not for music but instead for television. He followed his dreams instead of his parents dreams and have produced some long running tv series, still going strong. That's the same thing John Mayer did and look how he turned out. Tommy smoked weed. To that I say big deal, 90% of kids have done that. He might not have had alot of money growing up, but he had a mom that worked her butt off. Theres absolutely nothing that I've come across that even suggests Tommy wasn't parented right except for people running their mouths that didn't really know him. Reviewing his social media shows nothing really horrible until he met Heather.

Is it possible that Tommy wasn't even in the room with Sheila and Heather but helped Heather out of panic bc he'd already lost the love of his life, plus grew up without a father and didn't want his baby to grow up without a dad - if that's even his baby? I'm not sure I buy into what Bali police said about sex after the murder. Idk, when would they have found the time? Maybe Bali police discovered a couple naked people when they arrested them sleeping but maybe they weren't wearing clothes bc the clothes they fled in were the only ones they had so they shed them for sleep so Bali PD assumed they'd had sex? Maybe Tommy didn't want to lose another person...or maybe he just wanted to get back to the US where he could explain himself to someone he could trust? He isn't some spoiled rich kid that doesn't know how to act. What he did in helping to cover up Sheila's death was wrong, but if he wasn't involved in her death then does he deserve death himself? I'm thinking Heather got into a row with her mom as usual, maybe threw the lamp or that ornamental piece that was described as an ashtray, and Sheila died - accidentally...but it would be considered murder bc of the history of fighting. You have to "think" before you pick up a substantial object and throw it at somebody's head, which again suggests murder - but maybe it was a heat of the moment fight. So I'm kind of wondering now if this is a case of a boy that followed the crowd and became lost in it. Kwim? Is it at all possible?

I agree with everything you said except for him expecting for someone else to pay for his flight & room. If somebody offers prior to leaving to take you on vacay with them by paying for your flight & room, then surely you'd expect not to have to foot that bill for said flight & room. Its absolutely obvious he didn't have the money to go to Bali so of course this trip would have had to of been offered to him. Therefore, to be put on the spot at the last moment once there is unfair and should be illegal if its not written as such. I agree that he is culpable of helping hide and clean up evidence, but I'm not of the opinion that he should be killed without proof that he's the one that did the killing of Sheila when so much more points to the culprit being Heather. The difference between Tommy & Heather is that Tommy showed promise but Heather didn't. Heather and her mother lived in a very vicious cycle. Tommy didn't. I automatically judged by media reports as well in the beginning. Then I dug into stuff. So now I'm of a different stance, not completely different but rather just a different facet.

Hmm. I thought I saw everything from his social media. I guess I missed something. I didn;t see anything indicating he was in a years-long relationship with her. I mean, she was still on his background page for FB when he was already dating HM. To me it seemed he believed he had more of a relationship with her than he actually had. I don't know.

But regardless, there is enough about ol' Tommy boy that I just don;t think is mitigated by whatever good there might be (which I didn't really see).

1. He got arrested after he and HM unlawfully used SM's credit card on a hotel/party spree, because he got in the cops' faces and acted like a tough guy 🤬🤬🤬🤬 when they showed up.
2. He has past arrests for assault and other crimes.
3. He was seen arguing with SM in the hotel when he arrived.
4. His fingerprints are on the murder weapon.
5. He is on video taking the suitcase away, and trying to flee the hotel after the killing.
6. He has never recanted the bogus gang story.
7. For weeks, he has sat in an Indonesian jail and has refused to talk nor has he implicated HM in any way.
8. He was a male escort.
9. He boasted to someone about coming back from Bali with money.

I agree with you in most points, except the bolded part. Sheila seems didn't even know Tommy was going to show up, the payment was on Heather (who apparently paid for his ticket following what we know of the argument) or him, not on Sheila. Nothing unfair about not having to cover for your crazy daughter's lover. Nothing against Tommy (thank you for the sleuthing of him, gives me a new perspective on him).

If if if if Tommy was there at the moment of the attack, he had the physical force to stop it and didn't do so, then he is as guilty as Heather of murder one.

If he showed up when Sheila was dead and didn't report/helped break her poor body and put in suitcase/ drag down with luggage, etc = guilty as sin.

In either case he is not an innocent bystander. A decent guy would not cover something like this up and then escape a-la Natural Born Killers- no way Jose.

Being able to stop a murder but not doing so does not make one guilty of murder under any law. But I agree, no decent guy would act that way.


Hey, man, I look totally different out for a night on the town and when I just wake up too! But I;m not evil!!!! I promise!!
 
  • #183
I don't do Tapatalk but I fired autocorrect months ago, spellcheck can kma, and Siri gets on my last nerve as she needs to go back to school!

[emoji1] lol love TT can travel coast to coast and still take part in the conversation. [emoji1]

ciao
 
  • #184
How the heck do they meet potential mates of the opposite sex while in prison/jail?

Don't want to quote too much of this paragraph, so here is a little of it ...

"Across the jail, despite sex being banned, male and female inmates partake in every available nook .... "

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ke...ys-hell-on-earth/story-e6freuy9-1225797527999


And I don't think that they are always kept separately .. especially during visiting hours and while waiting for court appearances ...

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http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Ganja-Queen-faces-her-accusers/2005/01/27/1106415738271.html
 
  • #185
Don't want to quote too much of this paragraph, so here is a little of it ...

"Across the jail, despite sex being banned, male and female inmates partake in every available nook .... "

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ke...ys-hell-on-earth/story-e6freuy9-1225797527999


And I don't think that they are always kept separately .. especially during visiting hours and while waiting for court appearances ...

images


http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Ganja-Queen-faces-her-accusers/2005/01/27/1106415738271.html

Well! hotel kerobokan and the guard staff make for interesting reading. Very interesting. Jmo


ciao
 
  • #186
Hey, man, I look totally different out for a night on the town and when I just wake up too! But I;m not evil!!!! I promise!!

Respectfully snipped by me

Yeah, but are you growing a horn out of your head? :eek:

:giggle:

PS: I'd LOVE to see you on Michael Brown's thread and hear your prospective :biggrin: No pressure, really
 
  • #187
Don't want to quote too much of this paragraph, so here is a little of it ...

"Across the jail, despite sex being banned, male and female inmates partake in every available nook .... "

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ke...ys-hell-on-earth/story-e6freuy9-1225797527999


And I don't think that they are always kept separately .. especially during visiting hours and while waiting for court appearances ...

images


http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Ganja-Queen-faces-her-accusers/2005/01/27/1106415738271.html

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ke...ys-hell-on-earth/story-e6freuy9-1225797527999

This article is definitely worth reading. Thank You SouthAussie. Some of those stories of what goes on are totally shocking. Heather isn't sure how much more of it she can take, and she hasn't even reached the prison yet.

If that's a horn, she needs to grow it faster for added protection in that prison. Just saying.
 
  • #188
How ironic that it was first discovered in Sumatra, Indonesia. Learn new things every day on this forum. Lol
That's why I love WS. O/T.
 
  • #189
Respectfully snipped by me

Yeah, but are you growing a horn out of your head? :eek:

:giggle:

PS: I'd LOVE to see you on Michael Brown's thread and hear your prospective :biggrin: No pressure, really

Not yet!!!!
 
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I can see her killing herself in there. Not TS so much.

HM is due to deliver her baby in 7 or so months, that should scare her to death. From the sound of things the maternity cells should be full lots of company. Good luck HM getting a epidural. Hehe! Jmo

After thought she might remain in solitary confinement.


ciao
 
  • #192
I can see her killing herself in there. Not TS so much.

Yes, at least a dramatic gesture to get her way. It's going to be harsh, especially being pregnant and the reality that her mother is really gone, plus probably TS, but in MOO, what will really get her down is if she has no money for those bribes to buy the good life in prison.

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Heck, I see problems up ahead anyways, with her attitude of "nobody tells her what to do", and her history of getting physically violent with her own mother, added to her sharing a cell with a bunch of other women. They may all gang up on her after she gets on their nerves enough. She just entered a life where everyone will be telling her what to do, not just Mom.
 
  • #193
Does anyone have the statistics of how many Americans have actually been put to death by firing squad in Bali. Or any non Indonesians for that matter?
 
  • #194
Yes, at least a dramatic gesture to get her way. It's going to be harsh, especially being pregnant and the reality that her mother is really gone, plus probably TS, but in MOO, what will really get her down is if she has no money for those bribes to buy the good life in prison.

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Heck, I see problems up ahead anyways, with her attitude of "nobody tells her what to do", and her history of getting physically violent with her own mother, added to her sharing a cell with a bunch of other women. They may all gang up on her after she gets on their nerves enough. She just entered a life where everyone will be telling her what to do, not just Mom.

However it always amazes me how people like that can somehow rise to the top and have people taking orders from them. It will be interesting to see how she adapts. I think she'll do just fine actually. Just like JVDS.

MOO
 
  • #195
However it always amazes me how people like that can somehow rise to the top and have people taking orders from them. It will be interesting to see how she adapts. I think she'll do just fine actually. Just like JVDS.

MOO

I have the feeling she'll adapt to Hotel K as well based on her past experience [see BBM below] though she'll probably reflect back on that past experience and it will seem like finishing school compared to what we've read about Hotel K.

And, she may finally be getting a form of punishment that will have an impact on her - just speaking of the Hotel K living arrangements not the firing squad :eek: :

Dec 2011 HM has been in court before. ... she was arrested on domestic battery, aggravated battery and battery charges, according to Cook County juvenile records. A family friend said the arrest followed a violent argument with her mother. ... the teen — who was represented by an attorney hired by her mother — was placed on one year of court supervision after she was found guilty of battery. She was ordered to undergo mandatory counseling, including for anger management, as part of a violence prevention program. HM lived during parts of 2012 in two different community-based facilities for minors in the juvenile court system in need of education, life skills and mental health services. Records show HM successfully completed the court-ordered programs.
 
  • #196
I have the feeling she'll adapt to Hotel K as well based on her past experience [see BBM below] though she'll probably reflect back on that past experience and it will seem like finishing school compared to what we've read about Hotel K.

And, she may finally be getting a form of punishment that will have an impact on her - just speaking of the Hotel K living arrangements not the firing squad :eek: :

Dec 2011 HM has been in court before. ... she was arrested on domestic battery, aggravated battery and battery charges, according to Cook County juvenile records. A family friend said the arrest followed a violent argument with her mother. ... the teen — who was represented by an attorney hired by her mother — was placed on one year of court supervision after she was found guilty of battery. She was ordered to undergo mandatory counseling, including for anger management, as part of a violence prevention program. HM lived during parts of 2012 in two different community-based facilities for minors in the juvenile court system in need of education, life skills and mental health services. Records show HM successfully completed the court-ordered programs.

Well for employment she did have "Boss at Cook County Juvenile Detention Center" on her Facebook before she deleted it. I guess she figured she was running the show while she was there. Lol
 
  • #197
Well for employment she did have "Boss at Cook County Juvenile Detention Center" on her Facebook before she deleted it. I guess she figured she was running the show while she was there. Lol

Yowza. I had initially pegged her as wealthy, petulant brat from the suburbs - and that jail was going to be a harsh adaptation that she'd be forced to make. However, knowing that she was in County Juvie, I have to wonder whether my conception of her was all wrong.

Chicago can be a brutal city, especially in regards to the corrections system. Cook County is a nightmare (and I'm not casting aspersions upon the employees, because there are very good ones - but there's also bogus ones, too (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/08...icer-charged-with-selling-alcohol-to-inmates/). It's hard to be an inmate at the county, and it's terrifying, I'm sure. But the juvie? That's all about being the top fat cat - and that's often going hand-in-hand with gang affiliation, neighborhood, etc. - so if she could "make it" in a Chicago juvie, I'm sure she will be just fine in a foreign prison.
Pregnant.
Alone.
Gee, this didn't work out the way she planned, eh? And her Mom did so much for her. So much. Mom even hired her daughter an attorney when she battered...her mother!!!
 
  • #198
The new Indonesia attny seems to be having a more positive effect in the form of silence on HM's international press than the Chicago attny. There have been no new articles for a few days now since Attny E reportedly said the following:

... [Attny E], who remains in Chicago, said that in his brief conversation [HM] told him that it would be the last phone call she would be allowed to make. ...

8/25/14: http://www.oakpark.com/News/Articles/8-25-2014/'Tumultuous'-but-not-murderous/

I wonder if that was an accurate statement or if that last call went differently?
 
  • #199
Well for employment she did have "Boss at Cook County Juvenile Detention Center" on her Facebook before she deleted it. I guess she figured she was running the show while she was there. Lol

That statement doesn't really jive with her proclamation "I don't know how much more I can stand." Seems that she's met her match in Bali where no one cares that she's rich - oops! not rich anymore - not with out her mother's money to buy her lawyers.
 
  • #200
The following articles are from 2008. Wonder if the dynamic duo had read anything about those Indonesian suitcase murder cases?

... arrested three suspects ... body was found dead in a suitcase ... gave [victim] alcohol until he was drunk and nearly unconscious ... Two other suspects, including a US citizen, remain at large. ...

7/28/08: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/07/28/police-arrest-men-over-039suitcase-murder039.html

7/29/08: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2008/07/serial-killer-c/

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The second article also included this little ditty:

... Over the past month, Indonesia has executed four people convicted for murder. Two were serial killers, according to the Associated Press.
 
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