GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #3

[Niner]

NOTE TO SELF: NO pot in Bali........:no:

NOTE TO SELF: Don't even GO to Bali... :no:

Thanks to all who have posted on this case!! :gthanks: will hang around and "see" if we get any news today though!

:seeya:

 

[gracehatter]

Are we the only ones interested in this case? Why is there no mainstream media asking about the delay or lack of information and just how the Indonesia criminal code actually works!!! I mean we have calculated any number of dates on which we anticipated an announcement about when these two would be charged, or the trial to start, detention to end, move to prison and nothing seems to be in keeping with the code...what gives????

 

[SouthAussie]

Are we the only ones interested in this case? Why is there no mainstream media asking about the delay or lack of information and just how the Indonesia criminal code actually works!!! I mean we have calculated any number of dates on which we anticipated an announcement about when these two would be charged, or the trial to start, detention to end, move to prison and nothing seems to be in keeping with the code...what gives????

I think they may still be within their legal framework, gracehatter. If you read Articles 20-29 in their law of criminal procedure, it says that for a crime with a potential sentence of over 9 years imprisonment they can be kept for up to 120 days without charge, with the proper extensions, while investigation is underway. After that time period they must be charged or released.

Article 24 (cases with potential for 5 years or more imprisonment) = 20 days detention, with further 40 days if required
Article 29 (case being examined is liable to imprisonment of nine years or more) = further 30 day extension, with additional final 30 day extension if required

http://defensewiki.ibj.org/images/6/62/Indonesia_Law_of_Criminal_Procedure.pdf


It is very possible that the relevant lawyers are not opposed to these extensions, if it means that their clients will be off to Kerobokan when they are finally charged after their extensions have run out.

 

[Curious Me]

Why aren't they telling us anything?!! ullhair: Thanks for the info, SouthAussie. I guess they are still investigating, or defense is maybe slowing the process down. Things are different there. I can't imagine how it works.

Does the defense get to prolong the time before this goes to court and actual charges are filed? I wonder if there's any legal advantages seeing as HM will be approaching a more advanced pregnancy state soon. When's the baby due? February or March?

 

[SouthAussie]

Here is another article that speaks of a further 60 days of detention, if requested.


Joyo Indonesia News Archive
Wednesday 15 May 2013
Arrest Procedures and Treatment While in Detention

Police are permitted an initial 20-day detention, which can be extended to 60 days by the prosecutors while the investigation is being completed ...

Additionally, the court may extend detention periods up to another 60 days at each level if a defendant faces a possible prison sentence of nine years or longer or if the individual is certified to be mentally disturbed.

http://joyonews.org/JoyoNews.php?link=269409#269409

 

[Curious Me]

Where is that big mouth attorney who used to make all those statements to the press? :beagle:

 

[SouthAussie]

No news yet … :sigh:

But I see that Indonesian police have made the other Bali murderess re-enact her crime, along with her accomplices. They even made them all wear a sign around their necks saying ‘Tersangka’ (Suspect) and their name, while they were out in public.

Despite re-enacting the crime to suit the police story gathered from the other suspects, Noor Ellis still claims she just wanted the accomplices to ‘talk’ to her husband.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/w...t-ellis-to-death/story-fnh81fz8-1227126152873
(A few pics included, in usual Indonesian style.)

 

[gracehatter]

Where is that big mouth attorney who used to make all those statements to the press? :beagle:

I can't decide if that means he is retained and that he is just being smart remaining quiet and not wanting to draw attention to the system or that he is not retained and therefore really can't say much plus realizes he is better off remaining mute since his first foray into this case with the press was less than stellar.

 

[ajaylee]

I'm inclined to think he's out of his league and knows it. Nothing for him to do now except hurry up and wait. I think he realized that trying to play the 'human rights' card and the "you're messing with an American citizen' card didn't help his client's case, nor did his ill-advised attempts to bring media pressure to bear.

The Ellis case seems to be moving much more quickly than the Mack case. I wonder if it will go to court before the Mack case?

TS and HM might be more comfortable where they are than they'll be in Kerobokan, but I'm guessing that relative comfort is offset by the endless boredom and, particularly for HM, impatience to get things moving. TS has to know he's going down, even if it's 'only' for 10-15 years, but I think there's no doubt in HM's mind that now that she's thrown TS under the bus she's going to play the 'mother vs. father of the baby' pregnancy card and get off scot free.

I wonder if TS's mother still plans to visit him when the case actually goes to trial - and what would be the point?

 

[Curious Me]

No news yet … :sigh:

But I see that Indonesian police have made the other Bali murderess re-enact her crime, along with her accomplices. They even made them all wear a sign around their necks saying ‘Tersangka’ (Suspect) and their name, while they were out in public.

Despite re-enacting the crime to suit the police story gathered from the other suspects, Noor Ellis still claims she just wanted the accomplices to ‘talk’ to her husband.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/w...t-ellis-to-death/story-fnh81fz8-1227126152873
(A few pics included, in usual Indonesian style.)

Thanks for keeping us up on this other case. Ellis case - so many involved wearing those signs! There might be more suspects involved, too. Hopefully, it doesn't sound like the investigators are gullible enough to believe the wife just wanted men to "talk" to her husband.

I hope this means the court won't be too gullible about Heather being uninvolved in the killing of her own mother. Personally, I still see this as premeditated, but have a feeling she's going to walk and Tommy do the 15 yrs. JMO, at this point.

I hope they are both bored, and, at least, eating endless rice meals.

 

[gracehatter]

Over the holiday I went to my daughter's ultra sound (you may remember she is pregnant). I believe she and Heather are due around approximately the same time, entering the 20th week so about halfway there. I'm wondering if she'll be convicted of anything before she gives birth.

 

[Curious Me]

Over the holiday I went to my daughter's ultra sound (you may remember she is pregnant). I believe she and Heather are due around approximately the same time, entering the 20th week so about halfway there. I'm wondering if she'll be convicted of anything before she gives birth.

You have a new grandbaby on the way. :baby: Wonderful news. It is such a joyful time that a mother and daughter can share. It can create new understandings between a mother and daughter.

Heather, on the other hand, was so stupid to not protect and cherish her own Mother. I'm not sure she'll even feel remorse unless she does some serious time for her crime.

Gee, we should be hearing something about this case soon. Anything?

 

[SouthAussie]

There is a lot of news coming out of Bali … but NOTHING about the dynamic duo. :tantrum:
(In about 2 weeks, it will be 120 days since they were arrested and detained.)

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The new Indonesian president is going to continue to take a tough stance on drugs, chances for UK's Lindsay Sandiford to gain a pardon for her death sentence are minimised. The govt wants the condemned prisoners executed or freed.

"As a sign of the President's determination to execute condemned prisoners quickly, the Attorney General's office said today that five inmates currently on death row will be shot within the next four weeks."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sident-pledges-no-mercy-drug-traffickers.html

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Bali is looking to deport more foreign visa-overstayers and illegal workers .. 11 Aussies (including a very undesirable one), 2 Americans, 4 Norwegians, a Brit, a Japanese, 5 Turks.

“So far in 2014, Immigration has deported 121 foreigners from Bali, mostly for visa violations, compared to 70 last year.”
http://www.news.com.au/world/immigr...n-visa-crackdown/story-fndir2ev-1227138791726

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New high school grads (schoolies) are eating illegal magic mushrooms while celebrating in Bali.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/schoolies-eat-illegal-magic-mushrooms-in-bali-20141129-11wn0z.html

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The Red Frogs (Christian volunteers) are in Bali to help look after the drunken schoolies (remember, we have too many Aussies deaths in Bali due to misadventure, poisoning, accidents).
http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/bali-s...-care-for-school-leavers-20141130-11wzep.html

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Lots of schoolies getting cheap tattoos in Bali.
http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/schoolies-seek-out-tattoo-parlours-in-bali-20141128-11w3vt.html

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An Aussie shows the beautiful and gentle side of Bali.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/travel/...f-bali-indonesia/story-fnjjvbm1-1227138434712

 

[newone]

time for a world wide ''think before you ink'' program....jmho

18 and drunk not too clearly thinking .....

 

[ajaylee]

Still no news. As we head into the holidays, I find myself wondering if HM has learned patience. Remember when she sobbed and told her 'legal team' that she didn't know how much longer she could take it (being jailed)? At that time, I believe she thought she was going to be freed on bail to skip the country as soon as her US attorney got there. I can't help but wonder if she reflects on where she was and how good her life was at this time last year.

IIRC, the police said the two wouldn't be allowed contact until after they'd given their statements. I wonder if they talk now - and if so, what about?

 

[SouthAussie]

I got a bit excited because I saw something about a 'pair in Bali' .. then saw that it was about a couple of the Bali Nine. Clemency for their death sentence has all but been ruled out too.

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-...ance-of-clemency-for-bali-nine-pair-slim.html

Sounds as though the new Indonesian president is quite a hard-liner. Hopefully his politics will trickle down and they will make an example of the murderous US duo who decided that Bali was a good place to murder another US citizen.

It seems that they are cracking down hard on foreigners in many regards just lately ... foreigners on death row, foreigners working illegally, foreigners over-staying their visas. Let's see if they also crack down hard on foreigners who commit murder in Bali.


There is one more week left of schoolies-time in Bali ... which keeps police there pretty busy ... maybe we'll see some further action for HM and TS after that. :crossfingers:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...140427944?nk=6d31b28d297ea0bd34d3ce961dc36647

 

[gracehatter]

SouthAussie, I always get excited when I see you have posted when I get up in the morning since I know you are most likely to get any news before any of us stateside. That's a bit sad about the Bali nine tho...

 

[SouthAussie]

Don't get excited ... nothing about them ... but I stumbled across this editorial about the 25th Nov 2014 court case for an American man who was murdered in Bali. The primary murderer got 12 years, the other murderer got 20 months!!!

Value of Life Measured in Months
http://www.balidiscovery.com/messages/message.asp?Id=11299

 

[Kamille]

SouthAussie, I always get excited when I see you have posted when I get up in the morning since I know you are most likely to get any news before any of us stateside. That's a bit sad about the Bali nine tho...

I think the same way gracehatter. Always expecting some news from SouthAussie. So glad to know she's still keeping an eye out for us.

And I also find it very sad about the two Bali nine gentlemen. Now I know drug trafficking is a terrible crime and they deserve to be punished for what they did, but I kind of got to like those two from the documentary I watched. I think they really learned their lesson and I really don't think they would be any risk of re-offending if they were to get out of that prison after a long incarceration. But I guess they are being used as an example to anyone else thinking of making some "easy money" in the drug trade.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Don't get excited ... nothing about them ... but I stumbled across this editorial about the 25th Nov 2014 court case for an American man who was murdered in Bali. The primary murderer got 12 years, the other murderer got 20 months!!!

Value of Life Measured in Months
http://www.balidiscovery.com/messages/message.asp?Id=11299

Just as I feared, they don't seem to hold much value in the lives of murdered Americans. Now in this case, it was two Balinese men who killed the American right? So you'd expect a lesser sentence. Now what will they do with two Americans who killed another American? Like I've said from almost the beginning, not sure they really want to deal with housing HM and TS for any length of time so I'm not expecting much.

They really don't care much about murder in general in that country do they? Drug trafficking and possession seem to have a much bigger penalty.

:notgood:

MOO