GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #4

[FormerOakParker]

No wonder Heather is so confident. Sheesh! Is there any hope for justice for Sheila?

 

[SouthAussie]

Different celebrity Photo of the Day at this link.

https://ph.celebrity.yahoo.com/phot...iend-tommy-schaefer-both-photo-064722081.html

But not one word anywhere about the trial. The US definitely has to get a reporter to Bali. This is absurd. I have never seen such media silence. In our cases, we always get a few scraps of info ... yes they attended court today, they will next attend on this date, there were these significant outbursts in court today, this evidence was shown in court today .... but we have journalists whose whole job is Aussie/Indonesia/South East Asia reporting, due to our close proximity and often tenuous relationship(s).

Is this a sign that Ary received another release of money, and has spread it around a bit? :stormingmad:

It is such bulldust. The anti-corruption people are not looking very hard at their legals and judiciary. Probably being paid to look the other way.

We would know NOTHING if the independent AP photographers were not capturing a few happy snaps. :gaah:

 

[FigTree]

So … the bribery doesn’t just extend to the police and courts … it also affects the reporting. Found this interesting reading last night – from Snowing in Bali by Kathryn Bonella.


Pg 214
Even local journalists were benefiting. Lawyers were approaching them to keep their clients’ articles out of the papers, or at least restrict it to a small story off page one, to avoid the spotlight so cops and courts could more easily accept a bribe for a light sentence without scrutiny.

If I’m a western expat busted with 4 grams of cocaine at home, how much do I need to pay to keep it out of your newspapers?

It depends how rich you are. More rich you are, the more expensive the price. If I know you have a yacht, you have your own airplane, maybe a different price. Sometimes I wouldn’t take money if it’s a big story.

How does it work?

Mostly the modus operandi is via lawyer, ‘I have client, and my client doesn’t want you to expose them, would you help me please? I have a fortune, I want to share my fortune with you, okay, am I clear enough? Something like that.

What are the big cases lawyers often want to keep quiet?

Drug cases with a foreign suspect.

And do you tell your journalists ‘Don’t cover that court case today?’

Yeah

And what if the journalist asks why?

That’s my own business. ‘You have to choose, you obey my order, take it or you leave from this office.’

- Editor, one of Bali’s major newspapers

Thanks for that SA :seeya:

Why am I not surprised at the media non-reporting in Indonesia on this case :gaah:

What gets me is MSM like the Daily Mail, The Australian, BBC World, The Chicago Tribute (Tribune?), ABC3, Reuters, AAP - they have been covering this story. Where are their updates?

Maybe the Foreign Media should focus on Sheila - in her past she was very well respected and liked - she worked for people with very high profiles - where are their voices of concern and support to see that Justice is served.

 

[Kamille]

Looks like the Daily Mail's Bali correspondent hasn't posted any articles for quite some time. Not sure why? Maybe he's on vacation and there is no replacement reporter there?

Don't know why none of the others are reporting although, like I said earlier, most of them must be hanging around Keroboken just waiting for news on AC and MS. Which is why we got a few AP pics of HM and TS as they were leaving. Obviously no one is interested in them enough to follow them to the court or as SouthAussie has found, the few that might have been are being paid to stay quiet. There really isn't any news from the court unless there is a high profile foreigner there so I don't think the reporters and cameramen hang around there as a general rule. AS himself was on one of the news reels I posted though. I guess with all the latest news about corruption and bribes however, he'd rather this case now take a very low profile?

MOO

http://journalisted.com/richard-shears

 

[SouthAussie]

Looks like the Daily Mail's Bali correspondent hasn't posted any articles for quite some time. Not sure why? Maybe he's on vacation and there is no replacement reporter there?

Don't know why none of the others are reporting although, like I said earlier, most of them must be hanging around Keroboken just waiting for news on AC and MS. Which is why we got a few AP pics of HM and TS as they were leaving. Obviously no one is interested in them enough to follow them to the court or as SouthAussie has found, the few that might have been are being paid to stay quiet. There really isn't any news from the court unless there is a high profile foreigner there so I don't think the reporters and cameramen hang around there as a general rule. AS himself was on one of the news reels I posted though. I guess with all the latest news about corruption and bribes however, he'd rather this case now take a very low profile?

MOO

http://journalisted.com/richard-shears

Bribery wouldn't normally stop our reporters ... like Newscorp (Rupert Murdoch's people). But they are all at Kerobokan Prison, where the big news is. Well, they were yesterday. They published pics of a meeting at Kerobokan between the jail governor and police chief - discussing logistics of transporting Andrew and Myuran :cry: .

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/m...umaran-to-island/story-fnh81fz8-1227224645953

I'm afraid the Aussies won't be publishing news about HM & TS until the execution business settles down or is resolved.

I'm with FigTree. The Chicago Tribune needs to send a reporter to Bali for a few weeks. Surely Sheila, as a longtime member of Chicago society, deserves some attention?

C'mon Trib, prices are cheap in Bali. Give one of your people a few weeks away from the snow and cold.

 

[FigTree]

Different celebrity Photo of the Day at this link.

https://ph.celebrity.yahoo.com/phot...iend-tommy-schaefer-both-photo-064722081.html

But not one word anywhere about the trial. The US definitely has to get a reporter to Bali. This is absurd. I have never seen such media silence. In our cases, we always get a few scraps of info ... yes they attended court today, they will next attend on this date, there were these significant outbursts in court today, this evidence was shown in court today .... but we have journalists whose whole job is Aussie/Indonesia/South East Asia reporting, due to our close proximity and often tenuous relationship(s).

Is this a sign that Ary received another release of money, and has spread it around a bit? :stormingmad:

It is such bulldust. The anti-corruption people are not looking very hard at their legals and judiciary. Probably being paid to look the other way.

We would know NOTHING if the independent AP photographers were not capturing a few happy snaps. :gaah:

My Bold.

This is where Sheila's money has gone - I have no doubt.
This is why Heather Mack looks so confident.
This is why she spews she's innocent of all charges.
Corrupt Lawyer - Corrupt Prosecution and Judges - now Corrupt Editors and Media.
If she was innocent, she wouldn't need $150k.

 

[SouthAussie]

Just to add ... when I was reading Snowing in Bali last night, about the silencing of the media, there were many quotes about the sudden media high-profiling of chef Gordon Ramsay's brother Ronnie, when he was arrested for heroin possession in Bali. Pgs 216-218.

Apparently, the media may have been paid to publish LOTS of stuff about Ronnie, because Gordon Ramsay had cut him off (after paying huge amounts for Ronnie's rehab) and Bali wanted access to money for Ronnie's sentence reduction.

So article after article appeared about poor Ronnie - 'My rich brother won't help me. Please help me, Gordon, I could die in here. 10 years in a concrete hellhole'. Until suddenly, it all went quiet and Ronnie served just 10 months of a 10 year sentence. The judge said it was because Ronnie had pleaded guilty and expressed remorse.

Now there's justice for ya! And un-biased media reporting.

AND there is the explanation for all the media about Heather calling the judge, calling the newspapers, sobbing about her money, her defence fund. And now it all goes quiet. :waitasec:

 

[tarjessi]

Thanks for that SA :seeya:

Why am I not surprised at the media non-reporting in Indonesia on this case :gaah:

What gets me is MSM like the Daily Mail, The Australian, BBC World, The Chicago Tribute (Tribune?), ABC3, Reuters, AAP - they have been covering this story. Where are their updates?

Maybe the Foreign Media should focus on Sheila - in her past she was very well respected and liked - she worked for people with very high profiles - where are their voices of concern and support to see that Justice is served.

The foreign media would also be paid off...

 

[tarjessi]

The bribes have been received, Heather will be out in no time. The US had better react and seize custody of these two before they are free to leave the island.

 

[tarjessi]

I really think Tommy will be left to take the fall. He has no money at all and I honestly doubt Heather will pay for him. She might have been pretending that she was to satisfy him. That picture where she was rubbing her fingers to indicate a bribe, the trip to the hospital and now suddenly not a word. The wheels of corruption are moving once again in Bali.

 

[LinasK]

Just to add ... when I was reading Snowing in Bali last night, about the silencing of the media, there were many quotes about the sudden media high-profiling of chef Gordon Ramsay's brother Ronnie, when he was arrested for heroin possession in Bali. Pgs 216-218.

Apparently, the media may have been paid to publish LOTS of stuff about Ronnie, because Gordon Ramsay had cut him off (after paying huge amounts for Ronnie's rehab) and Bali wanted access to money for Ronnie's sentence reduction.

So article after article appeared about poor Ronnie - 'My rich brother won't help me. Please help me, Gordon, I could die in here. 10 years in a concrete hellhole'. Until suddenly, it all went quiet and Ronnie served just 10 months of a 10 year sentence. The judge said it was because Ronnie had pleaded guilty and expressed remorse.

Now there's justice for ya! And un-biased media reporting.

AND there is the explanation for all the media about Heather calling the judge, calling the newspapers, sobbing about her money, her defence fund. And now it all goes quiet. :waitasec:

Does this mean Gordon Ramsey did pony up a bunch of money for his brother??

 

[tarjessi]

Do you mean the prosecutor stole Heidi's ring for his girlfriend, tarjessi?? :thud:

Oh I am sorry SouthAussie I used the wrong name. It was the murderer Rosi, not Eddy I believe and I have the information incorrect - I am sorry it has been awhile. He bought his girlfriend an engagement with the proceeds I apologise.

This is one about the case that mentions the ring. I also thought he had an accomplice outside who he rode away with on a motorbike. I have no idea why a judge would rule to hand over evidence after the trial including Rosi's belongings and a blood covered blanket. Why would her family want a blood stained blanket and a mobile phone?

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/ma...ng-heidi-murphy/2008/09/08/1220857456601.html

 

[tarjessi]

Off topic but this article mentions the accomplice: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bali-man-admits-aussie-murder/story-e6frf7jo-1111115660687

 

[tarjessi]

Some more information about cases in Bali: http://kerrycollison.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/australians-still-dying-in-bali-in.html

 

[SouthAussie]

Does this mean Gordon Ramsey did pony up a bunch of money for his brother??

Kathryn Bonella says:

Without greasing the outstretched palms, it was impossible to get such a short sentence, so somehow he'd secured the cash needed to 'make the wheels of justice turn a little smoother'.

 

[Kamille]

This is just unbelievable. Is anyone in the US who is working on this case following this stuff and do they realize what is happening over there? Why aren't we getting any news from the US either? I guess we'll hear nothing until the 27th. I wish WW was more vocal on behalf of his sister.

MOO

 

[ajaylee]

Once things with AC/MS have been resolved, I think we'll be getting more news. I've noticed there hasn't been anything on the Ellis trial either.

Given how unpredictable things are, I can see why journalists are probably all camped out waiting for the latest on AC/MS. No one wants to nip on over to the courthouse just in time to miss a major announcement in the AC/MS case!

I don't think we're missing much. IIRC, the witnesses were supposed to start with the taxi driver. I think it will start getting much more interesting (and we'll see more coverage) when HM and TS are actually on the stand answering questions. IIRC, one of the things that worked against AC/MS was that they were advised not to talk much or admit anything in court.

US news media have been tightening the belts. Indonesia isn't terribly expensive, but you can't have a journalist sitting halfway round the world watching one trial unfolding as slowly as this one is. It's much closer to home for Australians, but I'd be surprised if they give this much more coverage than the US papers did for the young (non-American) tourists murdered in Thailand.

I'm telling myself all of this because I'm trying to be patient!

 

[Weezer Fan]

This is just unbelievable. Is anyone in the US who is working on this case following this stuff and do they realize what is happening over there? Why aren't we getting any news from the US either? I guess we'll hear nothing until the 27th. I wish WW was more vocal on behalf of his sister.

MOO

I don't expect to hear anything from WW. He has to be very, very careful. On one hand, he has a fiduciary responsibility for the trust. On the other hand, he obviously wants to see justice done for his sister. He has to wait and see what happens with this trial before he can make his next move. I fully expect if HM is convicted, he will file a civil wrongful death suit. He will also do what he thinks needs to be done to make sure the Slayer Rule is applied, even if this murder happened in another country.

HM's lawyer's must have told her that if she is convicted, she looses all the money. That is why she has to get off. And probably why TS has been told he has to take all the blame. TS will probably be better off if HM has money to help him out, and get a reduced sentence for him during appeal. I have a feeling that WW is constructing a contingency plan for this worst case scenario. It has been discussed in this thread what would happen if HM was not convicted, and if she could be convicted here. I doubt we all know enough to make that call.

 

[Kamille]

Once things with AC/MS have been resolved, I think we'll be getting more news. I've noticed there hasn't been anything on the Ellis trial either.

Given how unpredictable things are, I can see why journalists are probably all camped out waiting for the latest on AC/MS. No one wants to nip on over to the courthouse just in time to miss a major announcement in the AC/MS case!

I don't think we're missing much. IIRC, the witnesses were supposed to start with the taxi driver. I think it will start getting much more interesting (and we'll see more coverage) when HM and TS are actually on the stand answering questions. IIRC, one of the things that worked against AC/MS was that they were advised not to talk much or admit anything in court.

US news media have been tightening the belts. Indonesia isn't terribly expensive, but you can't have a journalist sitting halfway round the world watching one trial unfolding as slowly as this one is. It's much closer to home for Australians, but I'd be surprised if they give this much more coverage than the US papers did for the young (non-American) tourists murdered in Thailand.

I'm telling myself all of this because I'm trying to be patient!

LOL. I don't expect the US to send a reporter over there but usually they have "connections" around the world in certain areas. The news person who took the calls from HM could be getting an exclusive on this story and getting a contact over in Bali (any local news reporter would jump at the chance to get paid by a US news source for a story) but I suppose there just isn't enough interest. Perhaps the story she did write about the phone calls didn't get very many clicks so they decided to drop it?

MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

LOL. I don't expect the US to send a reporter over there but usually they have "connections" around the world in certain areas. The news person who took the calls from HM could be getting an exclusive on this story and getting a contact over in Bali (any local news reporter would jump at the chance to get paid by a US news source for a story) but I suppose there just isn't enough interest. Perhaps the story she did write about the phone calls didn't get very many clicks so they decided to drop it?

MOO

BBM: :yes: I wonder how much interest, and outrage, there will be when they are walking around the mall one day and they see HM smiling as she flicks her hair back and pushes a brand new spanky baby stroller?