GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #4

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  • #941
Figuring Out Favia

I simply cannot figure out Vanessa Favia.

If she is in this case just for the money, she isn’t doing a very good job for herself. And she isn’t doing a very good job for Stella, who she should care about at least a little, because to be paid she needs to show she has accomplished something for her client.

If I were in Favia’s shoes, I’d do things differently.

First, I’d remain officially disconnected from Heather. For Favia to ask to appear in Judge Cohen’s courtroom as Heather’s attorney forever disqualifies her in my mind as appropriate counsel for Stella. This baby needs a legal advocate who puts her interests above all others, including her mother. The fact that Favia was willing to expressly advocate for Heather tells me that she cannot be presumed to be able to represent Stella against Heather. Favia has ties to Heather which bias her representation of this unborn child. This is Favia’s biggest mistake, even bigger than asking for an unconscionable amount of money from the trust.

A better strategy would be to always argue for the unborn child only, hold all billing in abeyance, and wait and watch. If before delivery there are any discernable problems or issues, Favia can argue for treatment or other action that benefits the baby, no matter whether this helps or annoys Heather. For example, she could have (and I believe should have) argued before Judge Cohen that the money for Heather’s food should go through a dietician who would select meals based on the nutritional needs of both mother and unborn child. (And not let Heather gorge herself on French fries and burgers to the exclusion of a balanced diet.)

After the baby is born, Favia’s position becomes much stronger. She can argue that Kerobokan is no place for an infant. She can argue that Heather’s history even before the murder makes her an unfit mother. And if Heather is convicted of anything at all, Favia can use that as one argument in a suite of arguments to insist Heather lose custody of the child.

If Heather is convicted of murder, no matter the sentence, Stella would then be entitled to the trust, not Heather. Favia would then be in the driver’s seat, representing the trust’s beneficiary. That would have been the time to start grubbing for money.

It’s interesting to note that I think the strategy I outline here is the best one whether you are a lawyer just looking for financial remuneration or if you are one genuinely concerned for this poor baby.

But as I see it, Favia has shown herself to be concerned with doing whatever makes Heather happy, which proves she is not working solely in the baby’s interests.

Even if this strategy angered Heather, Favia could argue before Judge Cohen that her responsibility was to the baby. At any point either before or after the birth, she could point out that Heather’s and Stella’s interests are not the same and could argue that Heather should not be in a position to fire her (Favia).

I’ve been thinking about this general scenario off and on for weeks, and have wondered why Favia didn’t take this road, since it seems obvious. When I learned last night that she’s asking for over $125K from the trust, I got to thinking about this whole issue again.

I think the biggest problem with my analysis above is this: right now there are no clear adverse interests between mother and unborn child. Those adverse interests would arise when:

(i) Stella is born, alive, and someone makes an argument in a court of law that her best interests are not to live in prison and not to live with a person who has an extensive history of battery within the intimacy of the family; and

(ii) If and when Heather is convicted of murder, thus disqualifying her from benefiting from the trust set up by her mother and Stella is named beneficiary.

Should any of these things happen, Stella should have an independent legal voice of her own. However, I don’t think the law in Illinois would accept that the mother of the child gets to choose that independent voice. (Others with experience or expertise would be better able to expound on the matter, or to correct me if I am wrong in claiming this.) I’m guessing that Judge Cohen and no one else in his courtroom are making these arguments because the time is not yet ripe. But when the time comes for Stella to have something more than a lawyer who jets to Bali for photo-ops and acts as a nanny for a spoiled brat who murdered her own mother, Favia won’t be anyone’s first choice.

I think that Favia must know this and is rushing to cash in now, before she’s booted by a court as Stella’s attorney. For the reasons I’ve given above, I think it would be hard for Favia to argue that she’s an independent voice for Stella.

Illinois law has provisions for an “Attorney for the Child,” a “Child Representative,” and a “Guardian Ad Litem.” I’ve had a quick look at a couple of sites which discuss these things (one from the Cook County Court and the other providing the text of the governing Illinois statutes) and I’m still absorbing the contents. Anyone interested can consult:

http://www.cookcountycourt.org/ABOU...tionsDivision/ChildRepGuardianAdLitemGAL.aspx

Or (search the document linked to below for “750 ILCS 5/506”):

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs5.asp?ActID=2086&ChapterID=59
 
  • #942
Maybe the Favia 126k includes First Class Roundtrip Airfare, luxe hotel accomodations, meals, spa treatments, and other incidentals.
 
  • #943
Maybe the Flavia 126k includes First Class Roundtrip Airfare, luxe hotel accomodations, meals, spa treatments, and other incidentals.

I would certainly love to learn that Judge Cohen and interim trustee Mackoff insist that all of Heather's attorneys submit detailed billing statements. I wonder what an hour in an oceanside spa in Bali goes for? Perhaps we will find out!
 
  • #944
Been meaning to post, but I can't find the link now. IIRC, I read that Australia gives citizens incarcerated in Indonesia under $200/month (about $160 US). I'm sure HM's generous allowance is for two people, but I suspect the two people aren't HM and baby, they are HM and TS.

RSBM: You are right ajaylee. Australia provides loans from the Prisoner Loan Scheme for essential items for Aussies incarcerated overseas - mostly in 3rd world countries. I first read about it on that Foreign Prisoners website. Loans can be provided only if their families cannot provide for them, and the loans are to be repaid. I think the amount varies, depending on what the essential items are. Some have to pay for clean water, some have to pay for food, some need medical help, and I think the relevant consulate helps determine those needs.

In 2006, the amount apparently was a maximum of AUS$125 per month for essentials and AUS$20 per month for medical needs.

The UK Govt apparently has the same kind of scheme.

http://www.phaseloop.com/foreignprisoners/news-indonesia/news-indo-schapelle197.html
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-237938.html
 
  • #945
I was under the impression that Favia was no longer working for HM
and said she would represent Stella for free?

Also, has Scifo withdrawn his Motion To Withdraw from representing HM?
He had until the 27th before withdrawal was active (IIUC) - the Motion was filed 4th Feb 2015

Both Cook County documents below in link:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/254711303/Mack-Motions


Cook County Court Illonois
Dated: 30th January 2015


Documents:
Motion to Disqualify Vanessa Favia
Motion to Withdraw: Anthony Scifo





Capture.jpg Favia.jpg Scifo.jpg
 
  • #946
I was under the impression that Favia was no longer working for HM
and said she would represent Stella for free?

1. I agree, Favia does not appear to be working for Heather right now. But my particular points of note are that:

--Because Favia once worked on Heather's behalf and officially filed an appearance to be recognized as Heather's lawyer not recognizing the obvious conflict of interest, she has an arguable bias toward Heather and this bias should be taken into account when examining the appropriateness of Favia representing Stella; and

--If Heather and Stella's interests should become adverse (and I think they will, if they are not already--details in my long post a few notches upthread) it seems very strange to me that a judge should accept that Stella's lawyer ought to be one chosen by Heather. Or chosen by Heather's attorney at the time (Michael Elkin) and approved by Heather.​

2. I don't remember that Favia said she'd work for Stella for free, but I don't feel confident that this claim is wrong, either. I just don't remember it. I'm sure someone with a better memory will know where to find the relevant Favia utterance!

Also, has Scifo withdrawn his Motion To Withdraw from representing HM?
He had until the 27th before withdrawal was active (IIUC) - the Motion was filed 4th Feb 2015

Both Cook County documents below in link:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/254711303/Mack-Motions

As I understand it, Judge Cohen has to approve Scifo's withdrawal. It does not become automatically effective. Scifo, in his motion, asks the court to "enter an order granting him leave to withdraw..." [BBM] which suggests to me that the decision isn't Scifo's alone, but must be accepted by Judge Cohen. I believe there were some interesting posts here relatively recently about when a judge will accept such a motion and when he won't. I am not a lawyer, so I could be all wrong on this.

I won't be surprised if next Friday Scifo is in or if Scifo is out. The lawyer shenanigans in this case have become laughable. Why grown men and women, and graduates of law school to boot, should dance to Heather Mack's twisted tune is beyond me. Some things really aren't worth the money.
 
  • #947
I still want to know how Elkin, the guy who HM called while on the run from LE, figures into all this. Why did Favia show up in court and present herself as both HM's lawyer and the unborn child's lawyer? Why didn't Elkin present as HM's lawyer and Favia for the unborn child? How did Scifo get involved? Why hasn't Elkin submitted a claim for his time and expense? He went to Bali as well. Plus he was the one doing the media rounds aligning himself with this case. Something weird about his part in all this IMO.

MOO
 
  • #948
I still want to know how Elkin, the guy who HM called while on the run from LE, figures into all this. Why did Favia show up in court and present herself as both HM's lawyer and the unborn child's lawyer? Why didn't Elkin present as HM's lawyer and Favia for the unborn child? How did Scifo get involved? Why hasn't Elkin submitted a claim for his time and expense? He went to Bali as well. Plus he was the one doing the media rounds aligning himself with this case. Something weird about his part in all this IMO.

MOO
I like your thinking, untangle this mess.
 
  • #949
I was under the impression that Favia was no longer working for HM
and said she would represent Stella for free?

Reviewing recent posts, I see that it was you, FigTree, who offered a citation that says that Favia has offered to represent Stella for free. I'm so sorry that I forgot what you wrote in your post! If anyone else forgot, FigTree's link (from post #934) is this:

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ty-Judges-Office-290841101.html#ixzz3RMUDLwH9

It's a report of the Feb. 4 emergency hearing called to discuss the crazy lady spamming Judge Cohen's clerk with whining phone calls. This article says, "Favio told the judge she was willing to continue to represent Mack’s unborn child for free."

A few comments on this report:

--It seems poorly thrown together. It doesn't even spell Favia's name correctly.

--It also says, "As a result of the developments, the Cook County Court said it does not know how to send Mack the money until she gets a new lawyer." Does anyone really believe that? Mr. Ary didn't create a smooth and perfect pipeline for cash?

--I'd guess if pressed to explain, Favia would reply, "What I said is: I'll represent Stella for free from here on. But I want to be paid for what I have already done."

On the other hand, out and out contradiction ("I'll do it for free" and "I want $126K, please") seems to be a hallmark of this case. Some defendants who can't keep their stories straight have the sense to hire lawyers who are rather good at a single narrative. Not Heather.
 
  • #950
RSBM: You are right ajaylee. Australia provides loans from the Prisoner Loan Scheme for essential items for Aussies incarcerated overseas - mostly in 3rd world countries. I first read about it on that Foreign Prisoners website. Loans can be provided only if their families cannot provide for them, and the loans are to be repaid. I think the amount varies, depending on what the essential items are. Some have to pay for clean water, some have to pay for food, some need medical help, and I think the relevant consulate helps determine those needs.

In 2006, the amount apparently was a maximum of AUS$125 per month for essentials and AUS$20 per month for medical needs.

The UK Govt apparently has the same kind of scheme.

http://www.phaseloop.com/foreignprisoners/news-indonesia/news-indo-schapelle197.html
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-237938.html

I had no idea there was such a thing as a loan destitute US citizens in foreign prisons program. So TS can get help through the consular service, he don't have to try to capture live bugs to eat. Lol. Link below list all the services. Calling this form of help loans, good luck with the collection success rate on those loans. Jmt. Learn something new on WS everyday:)


http://travel.state.gov/content/stu...ssistance-to-us-citizens-arrested-abroad.html


ciao
 
  • #951
I had no idea there was such a thing as a loan destitute US citizens in foreign prisons program. So TS can get help through the consular service, he don't have to try to capture live bugs to eat. Lol. Link below list all the services. Calling this form of help loans, good luck with the collection success rate on those loans. Jmt. Learn something new on WS everyday:)





http://travel.state.gov/content/stu...ssistance-to-us-citizens-arrested-abroad.html


ciao


Wow! didn't know about this.......thank you
 
  • #952
Completely O/T ..... I just finished Snowing in Bali. One of the dealer-smugglers featuring in the book and providing many interviews to Kathryn Bonella, Marco from Brazil, was recently killed in the last round of executions in Bali. At the end of the book he was on death row in prison on Nusakambangan Island, where the executions are also held. He was optimistic and upbeat at the time, cooking up meals when food was brought by a rare visitor, generally-speaking a very funny and likable guy. Now he is gone. :(

http://www.smh.com.au/world/nobody-...ted-before-bali-nine-duo-20150221-13l3o9.html


The other guy mentioned in this article, dealer-smuggler Gularte, was visibly not coping at the end of the book, spending most of his time crying, confused, and praying. They are now saying he is a paranoid schizophrenic, and should be exempt from execution due to his mental illness, but clemency has been refused.


And HM is probably not going to get a death sentence for arranging and being directly involved in the murder of her own mother. :shakehead:


(Not that I am an advocate for the death penalty but it is sooooooo messed up, to me, in Indonesia.)
 
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  • #954
Completely O/T ..... I just finished Snowing in Bali. One of the dealer-smugglers featuring in the book and providing many interviews to Kathryn Bonella, Marco from Brazil, was recently killed in the last round of executions in Bali. At the end of the book he was on death row in prison on Nusakambangan Island, where the executions are also held. He was optimistic and upbeat at the time, cooking up meals when food was brought by a rare visitor, generally-speaking a very funny and likable guy. Now he is gone. :(

http://www.smh.com.au/world/nobody-...ted-before-bali-nine-duo-20150221-13l3o9.html


The other guy mentioned in this article, dealer-smuggler Gularte, was visibly not coping at the end of the book, spending most of his time crying, confused, and praying. They are now saying he is a paranoid schizophrenic, and should be exempt from execution due to his mental illness, but clemency has been refused.


And HM is probably not going to get a death sentence for arranging and being directly involved in the murder of her own mother. :shakehead:


(Not that I am an advocate for the death penalty but it is sooooooo messed up, to me, in Indonesia.)

It's appalling. And the corrupt LEO's can plant drugs on you and bribe you right in the street. If you refuse, well you know where you're going to end up. Which is probably why they have such tough drug laws. So they can bribe foreigners by planting drugs on them. It's a little tougher to bribe them with murder charges. And they obviously don't have much respect for human life by the way they treated poor Marco, so that explains why murder doesn't hold the same "value" in the legal system.

Why on earth would anyone want to travel there? There are a lot of nicer beaches in the world.

MOO
 
  • #955
Stephen Henri Lubbe's letter regarding the bribe he was asked to pay by his lawyer Ary Soenardi. The letter was written to Indonesian president Joko Widodo. (he was still president-elect at the time)

He allegedly was only asked to pay $30,000.

I wonder if Cohen has seen this?

http://www.globalmediapost.com/2015/02/19/new-claims-of-corruption-in-balis-courts/

The article in Kamille's link above contains this line:

Lubbe’s lawyer, Ary B Soenardi — the same man who represented Sydney resident Leeza Ormsby on drugs charges — and fellow lawyer Iswahyudi denied they had suggested he pay a bribe”

Interesting. Guess who Iswahyudi is. He's Tommy's lawyer!

According to Ni Komang Erviani in a Feb. 3 article the Jakarta Post:

... [Tommy] Schaefer’s lawyer, Iswahyudi, said the indictment was unclear and contained a factual error. The lawyer asked the judge to return the indictment to the prosecutors. “The indictment is unexamined, unclear and erroneous, so it is null and void,” Iswahyudi claimed.



http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/02/03/trial-continued-objection-rejected.html

[All bolding by me]
 
  • #956
Good catch Orange Tabby. And I don't think that was his original attorney either was it? The one that was assigned to him by the court?
 
  • #957
Good catch Orange Tabby. And I don't think that was his original attorney either was it? The one that was assigned to him by the court?

I am nearly 100 percent positive that you are right.
 
  • #958
Haposan Sihombing was Tommy's first lawyer.
Raja Nasution was Heather's first lawyer.

Haposan Sihombing, a lawyer who has represented Schaefer, said Friday that he could not comment because Schaefer replaced him a day earlier. He refused to give the name of Schaefer's new lawyer.

Raja Nasution, an Indonesian lawyer for Mack, said he and her U.S. lawyer accompanied her during questioning. He confirmed the police account of the racial slur being used, but added that Mack did not specifically say she saw Schaefer kill her mother.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2779287/Suspect-Indonesia-murder-Slur-sparked-anger.html


Interestingly, Sihombing and Nasution were their lawyers when they performed that little charade ... the reenactment. And since then we have heard that they are back to the 'gang of men' story. Perhaps they will blame Sihombing and Nasution for convincing them to tell a different story, one that was a lie, that it really was a gang of men who brutally murdered Sheila? :rolleyes:
 
  • #959
Haposan Sihombing was Tommy's first lawyer.
Raja Nasution was Heather's first lawyer.

Haposan Sihombing, a lawyer who has represented Schaefer, said Friday that he could not comment because Schaefer replaced him a day earlier. He refused to give the name of Schaefer's new lawyer.

Raja Nasution, an Indonesian lawyer for Mack, said he and her U.S. lawyer accompanied her during questioning. He confirmed the police account of the racial slur being used, but added that Mack did not specifically say she saw Schaefer kill her mother.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2779287/Suspect-Indonesia-murder-Slur-sparked-anger.html


Interestingly, Sihombing and Nasution were their lawyers when they performed that little charade ... the reenactment. And since then we have heard that they are back to the 'gang of men' story. Perhaps they will blame Sihombing and Nasution for convincing them to tell a different story, one that was a lie, that it really was a gang of men who brutally murdered Sheila? :rolleyes:

Thanks SouthAussie, I haven't had the chance to look that up. So TS "replaced" his lawyer with an associate of Soenardi. And the court appointed lawyer didn't want to get involved in any of this so he refused to name names. This is all so obvious. :notgood:

MOO
 
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