barbara mackle ransom note discredits some RDI RN pet theories

[Ravyn]

Well I never thought about looking at different ransom notes I been looking at the RN itself but I will start reseaching about RN's..

 

[DeeDee249]

I think the Rs tailored the ransom $$ to fit in with the list of people they had in mind to pin this on. They could make a case for LHP knowing, simply because of her intimate knowledge of the family. Certainly, a few Access Graphcs employees. So they could say it had to be one of THEM because only they would know John's bonus. So much for the SFF. Then again, JR but that notion to rest the moment he brought up JB from the basement. His words "this is an inside job". They plan all along was to pin this on someone they knew.

 

[Ravyn]

Now I been looking at ransom notes so far other the JB Rn I found two other handwritten.. And at least with Barbara Mackle,she was left in the box with food,water.airpump,and a lamp..So far I have found none of the kidnapped people was found at home..How long the RN doesn't make sense to me but that's just me..

 

[DeeDee249]

Now I been looking at ransom notes so far other the JB Rn I found two other handwritten.. And at least with Barbara Mackle,she was left in the box with food,water.airpump,and a lamp..So far I have found none of the kidnapped people was found at home..How long the RN doesn't make sense to me but that's just me..

It's not just you. The RN doesn't make sense to a lot of people.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

No time? They could have called police anytime early morning they wanted. They can claim they "woke up" at 8am. They can claim they searched the RN and found it it some obscure place like the bathroom, or that they first found their daughter dead, and later found the RN.

If it was longer than it was supposed to be, JR and PR could, you know,

START OVER.

"No time" because they 'needed to catch a flight' is RDI myth to excuse inconsistencies in their stories. Everything the R's do that you or I would never do is explained away due to their 'haste'. "Of course they would do that silly thing, they were in such a hurry"

The ONLY actual, real, tangible, unfabricated, unspun, fully corroborated evidence of any haste on the part of anybody is the 6AM 911 call by PR.

 

[voynich]

It's not just you. The RN doesn't make sense to a lot of people.

Killing kids, except in self-defense, doesn't either.

 

[voynich]

I think the Rs tailored the ransom $$ to fit in with the list of people they had in mind to pin this on. They could make a case for LHP knowing, simply because of her intimate knowledge of the family. Certainly, a few Access Graphcs employees. So they could say it had to be one of THEM because only they would know John's bonus. So much for the SFF. Then again, JR but that notion to rest the moment he brought up JB from the basement. His words "this is an inside job". They plan all along was to pin this on someone they knew.

I
think the IDI tailored the ransom $$ to fit in with the list of people they had in mind to pin this on as part of an inside job. They knew that they could trick the R's by including such a fact that they could make a case for LHP knowing, simply because of her intimate knowledge of the family. Certainly, a few Access Graphcs employees. So they could say it had to be one of THEM because only they would know John's bonus. So much for the SFF. Then again, JR but that notion to rest the moment he brought up JB from the basement. His words "this is an inside job". The IDI plan all along was to pin this on someone they knew.

 

[Ravyn]

Voynich, plz do me a favor explain to me what you are trying to do about the length, cause I'm lost.. I been researching RN's now..

 

[voynich]

Voynich, plz do me a favor explain to me what you are trying to do about the length, cause I'm lost.. I been researching RN's now..

Hello kitty, i like cats btw.

anyhow I hope this answers ur ?

1- to explode teh myth that the RN is somehow "longest ever written" -- it is not
2- that long RN tend to have similar sets of goals like money, type of money, victim is safe, etc.
3- how the facts of the case and RN relate.

Before LLRN and BRN, RDIST argued RN must be fake due to its war and peace tolstoy length.

LLRN and BRN suggest that RN might be authentic, in which event IDI

DI myth "at three pages the RN is the longest rn note on record" -- ST. "It's the War and Peace (reference to Tolstoy's book) of rn" "most rn are short."

http://www.statementanalysis.com/ramseynote/

"One of the first things we notice is that this is a very long ransom note. Most ransom notes are short and to the point. "We have your kid and she is safe. It will cost you $400,000 to get her back. Do not call the police. We will be contacting you." This ransom note was written on three pieces of paper. This is our first clue this note may be bogus. "

The myth
"real kidnappers don't write three page ransom notes"
"It is the longest rn ever written in the annals of crime"
"The R's must have written it due to length, they couldn't shut up."

Many RDI myths center on the length of the RN, 3 pages, the "longest on record" as unsual. This letter shows that many such myths need to be seriously revived in light of this twice as long RN below.


DID I ANSWER UR ?

 

[Ravyn]

Thank you for explaining this me I don't feel lost anymore...

 

[voynich]

Thank you for explaining this me I don't feel lost anymore...

so what are the other rn notes we can compare/contrast to?

 

[Ravyn]

Well since it was handwritten I been thinking about Lindberg. But mainly been reading about Mackle but aslo been looking for kidnappings that was done by someone foreign..

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

so what are the other rn notes we can compare/contrast to?

Here's one:

LLRN was typed, so was BJMRN. RN was handwritten, as was La Marca RN. FBI actually matched his handwriting to the RN.


http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/weinber/weinbernew.htm


Now THERE's a REAL handwriting match, ladies. Check out the capital "N" and capital 'P'.

"The note was examined by experts who agreed that the original ransom note and the second note were written by the same person." Its the concensus RDI wanted but never got.

Very remarkable is how they used only the handwriting itself to find the kidnapper. It seemed to be a large scale effort on the part of the FBI that solved the case.

Here's the text, only to my ability to read the writing:




[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Attention[/FONT]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I'm sorry this had to happen, but I am in bad need of money, & couldn't get it any other way.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Don't tell anyone or go to the Police about this, because I am watching you closely. I am scared stiff, & will kill the baby, at your first wrong move.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Just put $2000.00 (Two thousand) in small bills in a brown envelope, & place it next to the sign Post at the corner of Albermule Rd & Park Ave. at Exactly 10 oclock tomorrow (Thursday) morning. If everything goes smooth, I will bring the baby back & leave him on the same corner "Safe & Happy" at exactly 12 noon.[/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No excuses, I can't wait![/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Your baby sitter.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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[voynich]

Here's one:

LLRN was typed, so was BJMRN. RN was handwritten, as was La Marca RN. FBI actually matched his handwriting to the RN.


http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/weinber/weinbernew.htm


Now THERE's a REAL handwriting match, ladies. Check out the capital "N" and capital 'P'.

"The note was examined by experts who agreed that the original ransom note and the second note were written by the same person." Its the concensus RDI wanted but never got.

Very remarkable is how they used only the handwriting itself to find the kidnapper. It seemed to be a large scale effort on the part of the FBI that solved the case.


[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No excuses, I can't wait![/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Your baby sitter.[/FONT][/SIZE]
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Has this group at the FBI ever had any consensus on the handwriting match between PR and RN? Perhaps JMK should be added in.

 

[Ames]

What you say is true, but it would be equally true for the R's to carry out their dead kid than one kicking and screaming, and an even better for their staging.

If you read my thread titled.."When Parents Kill", you will see that when a mother kills her child, she leaves the body INSIDE THE HOME, or not far from it. JB was STILL P and J (if we add Burke...then we would have P,B & J ) daughter...there was no way in heck that she was going to leave her baby outside somewhere. Don't forget...IMO...this murder was NOT supposed to happen. It started out as a horrible accident. All the more reason, for them to leave her inside. IMO...they took her down to the WC, just in case Burke woke up.

 

[Ames]

If the parents wanted a convincing kidnapping for ransom scenario portrayed, they'd have chosen an appropriate, believeable amount. Remember, in RDI the RN was 'explaining' JBR dead in the basement, so the amount of the ransom wouldn't be lowballed because they wouldn't need to 'part' with any money, as you've claimed. JR and PR working together would come up with an appropriate ransom, and its agreed that 118K was low.

The ligature 'too loose to do anything' is the standard assumption/line for RDI. It exposes a naivety with RDI where all items found at the crime scene are static. In fact, the 'loose' 2nd ligature actually supports the botched kidnapping idea because the 2nd ligature would've never been used as it was originally intended.

Remember John's first words after finding his daughter's body?? "This was an inside job". They chose 118K, to make it look like an inside job, the housekeeper, someone that worked with John, a family friend...you know..those sort of people. They knew that nobody in their right mind, would believe that SFF nonsense.

 

[Ames]

JB's RN was ONE of the longest ever written..

From WIKI...

Length of RN. "The Ransom Note was quite long, and in fact is one of the longest ransom notes in the history of kidnapping cases. (PSDMF P 17.) (Carnes 2003:25)

 

[voynich]

JB's RN was ONE of the longest ever written..

From WIKI...

Length of RN. "The Ransom Note was quite long, and in fact is one of the longest ransom notes in the history of kidnapping cases. (PSDMF P 17.) (Carnes 2003:25)

But the longest RN is more than 2.6 (970 words v.s 377) times as long, with extreme levels of details not found in JBRN, and you know, they actually collected ransom money w/LLRN being 85% as long.

 

[voynich]

RDIST= any new IDI supporting information or evidence will be taken out of context, distorted, abused, and finally discarded, in a matter of minutes.

VERY interesting ransom note, and because of this note I'll respectfully disagree with the claim that the RN author knew of either LLRN or BRN.

When you consider the similarities between all three ransom notes, and the similarities between the crimes:

• how the money is packaged and handled
• how contact will be made
• how will police involvement be handled
• how the victim will be subdued

These are all obviously basic, fundamental 'real' kidnapper concerns. These are fully and clearly expressed in both word and deed in all three crimes. IOW all three criminals shared the same concerns and behaviors, according to the evidence.

The force is strong in you!

But BMRN shows a substantial amount of material unparalleled by either LLRN or RN

""We offer no proof of our possession of her
at this time. It will arrive by mail in a few days. Barbara is
presently alive inside a small capsule buried in a remote
piece of soil. She has enough food and water and air to
last seven days. At the end of the seven days the life supporting
batteries will be discharged and her air supply will be cut off."

"When you have the money in readiness, call all the Miami
area major newspapers and place the following ad in the "personal" section of the classified advertisemsnts:

"Loved one-please come home. We will pay all expenses
and meet you anywhere at anytime. Your Family."

Prepare your car for a trip and on the night of the ad's first appearance we will call you at home after midnight to advise you of where you must go to deliver the money. You must be the one to deliver the money, Robert. You will dress yourself in an all-white outfit. You must use the Lincoln to deliver the money.""

 

[DeeDee249]

I can't see how comparing this RN to any other really makes a difference. PR's handwriting is a match, IMO. The note itself is not just long, it's ridiculous.
I can easily see it being written by the Rs, designed to pin it on someone they knew. I don't really see anything in the note that leads me to think an intruder, especially an SFF, is trying to point towards the family. If that were the case, why write a note at all- especially if ransom $$$ wasn't what you were after. You'd take the body, destroy it so it would never be found, and leave the suspicion on the parents forever. If you were REALLY targeting JR and his family, that's what you'd do.