MISTRIAL Bill Cosby -- Charged W/Aggravated Sexual Assault/Other Rape Allegations #5

[Donjeta]

I believe this 2008 case with Chloe Goins was the only one that was within the statute of limitations. I also read her story and BC did have a solid alibi that he wasn't even at the party and had documentation to prove it. With that being the apparent case, I find it difficult to refer to her story as less than completely genuine. Her story is not truthful, but nonetheless, I guess many would still consider her story to be "her truth".

JMO if someone knowingly fabricates an allegation, it's not "her truth", it's her lie.

I see "their truth" as referring to people telling something that they sincerely, genuinely believe to be true.

 

[wendiesan]

The day that the criminal charges were filed against Cosby, I watched CNN coverage throughout the day. I saw Gloria Allred's presser live and later watched Anderson Cooper and Don Lemon with legal talking heads (Mark Garagos, Tom Mesereau) who had represented high profile offenders in various criminal cases (Robert Blake, Phil Spector, Michael Jackson). Both attorneys suggested that, if the Cosby case ever goes to trial, it would rank as one of the most significant criminal trials in history given the high profile nature of the defendant.

I realize that there are convicted sexual predators/rapists in prisons everywhere, but has there ever been a "high profile" case of sexual assault/rape that was successfully prosecuted? I'm interested in a historical perspective about the chances that this case will ever get to trial and whether or not the criminal prosecution would be successful.

Mike Tyson ( found guilty)
R. Kelly (acquitted)
Mystikal (plead guilty)
2Pac (found guilty)
Darren Sharper, NFL (facing charges in multiple jurisdictions--MO Cosbyesque)
Lawrence Taylork NFL (plead guilty)
Shane Sparks (plead no contest)
Alex Da Silva (found guilty )

 

[HastingsChi]

Mike Tyson ( found guilty)
R. Kelly (acquitted)
Mystikal (plead guilty)
2Pac (found guilty)
Darren Sharper, NFL (facing charges in multiple jurisdictions--MO Cosbyesque)
Lawrence Taylork NFL (plead guilty)
Shane Sparks (plead no contest)
Alex Da Silva (found guilty )

<modsnip> William Kennedy Smith or Roman Polanski among others...

 

[zencompass]

JMO if someone knowingly fabricates an allegation, it's not "her truth", it's her lie.

I see "their truth" as referring to people telling something that they sincerely, genuinely believe to be true.

Well said!

 

[zencompass]

I'm sorry to have to address this yet again, but my post about "discussions" was not in ANY way about the links on Page #22 of this thread but was about the discussions THROUGHOUT this thread. It wasn't about any links whatsoever. It wasn't about Dr. Ahrens article (that was covered in a separate post). It was about people discussing allegations of rape.

My post was not ambiguous. My post was not confusing. My post wasn't about any links. My post wasn't about any article/s. My post WAS about discussions, in general.

Do you have any articles that you would like a discussion about?

 

[Tulessa]

Mike Tyson ( found guilty)
R. Kelly (acquitted)
Mystikal (plead guilty)
2Pac (found guilty)
Darren Sharper, NFL (facing charges in multiple jurisdictions--MO Cosbyesque)
Lawrence Taylork NFL (plead guilty)
Shane Sparks (plead no contest)
Alex Da Silva (found guilty )

Ian Watkins sentenced to 35 years for attempted baby rape and other offences

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/44...s-in-court-for-attempted-baby-rape-sentencing

 

[zencompass]

The British public was astounded when they learned that their beloved "Jimmy Savile", a celebrity for decades who visited children in hospitals was determined to have sexually assaulted hundreds of children since the 1960's.

11 January: Scotland Yard labels Savile a "prolific, predatory" sex offender after its investigation reveals 214 criminal offences across 28 police forces, between 1955 and 2009. Its report, Giving Victims a Voice, found that 73% of his victims were children, and the allegations of abuse span 14 medical establishments.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-sexual-abuse-timeline

 

[Hoosgirl]

I can tell from the warmth and camaraderie on this thread that there is a lot of respect here! Here is an article encasing a snapshot of who Andrea Constand is. I think it is well written.
http://www.macleans.ca/news/world/nobodys-victim-meet-bill-cosbys-canadian-nemesis/

Thank you so much, excellent article!

It was new (at least to me) that another woman had previously filed a police report against Cosby, and DA declined to press charges. Such a shame. It also lends credence to Cosby having a long standing history of sexual assault.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

:tyou: for the "high profile" sexual assault/rape cases. I'm not really into sports but do recall the Mike Tyson charges/conviction. I was primarily interested in entertainment celebrities like Mr. Cosby.

While Cosby is entitled to a speedy trial, I doubt this case will arrive at that stage within the year. I suspect there will be multiple motions filed with varying degrees of delay. :moo:

 

[zencompass]

The British public was astounded when they learned that their beloved "Jimmy Savile", a celebrity for decades who visited children in hospitals was determined to have sexually assaulted hundreds of children since the 1960's.

11 January: Scotland Yard labels Savile a "prolific, predatory" sex offender after its investigation reveals 214 criminal offences across 28 police forces, between 1955 and 2009. Its report, Giving Victims a Voice, found that 73% of his victims were children, and the allegations of abuse span 14 medical establishments.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-sexual-abuse-timeline

This is the high profile case I thought of - a celebrity, worked with children and young people, had the brand "trusted" and was endearing to the British public.

It was such a shock that the British people are still discussing this. There was and is a feeling of "betrayal" as this man was known as a "trusted celebrity". I feel that that is the common denominator.

 

[ILOKAL]

Thank you so much, excellent article!

It was new (at least to me) that another woman had previously filed a police report against Cosby, and DA declined to press charges. Such a shame. It also lends credence to Cosby having a long standing history of sexual assault.

Are you referring to the Chloe Goin case in California?

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Bill Cosby charges: What happens next?

Posted 10:58 am, January 4, 2016, by CNN Wire Service, Updated at 10:59am, January 4, 2016

Suddenly, Bill Cosby can no longer escape prosecution.

The number of his accusers had grown to the size of a choir. And the refrain of the 50-plus women has been virtually the same: He drugged me; he sexually assaulted me — or he tried to.

Cosby has vehemently denied any wrongdoing. And his supporters have pointed out he never faced criminal charges.

That changed last month, when Cosby was arraigned in a Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, court on felony charges. The charges stem from accusations by Andrea Constand, the first of the dozens of women to go public against Cosby.

If convicted, the comedic icon could go to jail. Below are answers to questions about what could happen next...

http://fox6now.com/2016/01/04/bill-cosby-charges-what-happens-next-2/

 

[Donjeta]

:tyou: for the "high profile" sexual assault/rape cases. I'm not really into sports but do recall the Mike Tyson charges/conviction. I was primarily interested in entertainment celebrities like Mr. Cosby.

While Cosby is entitled to a speedy trial, I doubt this case will arrive at that stage within the year. I suspect there will be multiple motions filed with varying degrees of delay. :moo:

Another one I didn't see mentioned: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...has-been-accused-of-molesting-under-age-girls
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolf_Harris

 

[zencompass]

Another one I didn't see mentioned: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...has-been-accused-of-molesting-under-age-girls
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolf_Harris

Thanks for this example of a "trusted" celebrity who was eventually convicted of sexual assault. This is astounding and noteworthy of how many decades it took for justice to happen!

 

[wendiesan]

JMO if someone knowingly fabricates an allegation, it's not "her truth", it's her lie. I see "their truth" as referring to people telling something that they sincerely, genuinely believe to be true.

Re this discussion on "their truth", I found this poem particularly appropriate since it refers, IMO, not only to how many of the facts of an experience a person in whatever role may be able to articulate at any given time, but also to how much of that experience can be absorbed or understood by a listener or reader at any one time. When these women began coming forward to friends or LEOs or counsellors from thirty years ago to the present, there has definitely been a limit to how much of their experience others were willing to listen to, let alone accept as being factual. And BC, and IMO CC, have either remembered a very different version of events or have been lying about what "their truth" really is. It also seems to me that the procedure of revealing information in a trial also follows the pattern set out in the poem--slices of information given to a judge and/or jury in order that this very specialized audience will not be too dazzled to see the truth for what it is.

Tell All The Truth

Tell all the truth but tell it slant,
Success in circuit lies,
Too bright for our infirm delight
The truth's superb surprise;

As lightning to the children eased
With explanation kind,
The truth must dazzle gradually
Or every man be blind.
Emily Dickinson

 

[Donjeta]

But investigators reviewing video footage from the Aug. 9, 2008 "Midsummer Night's Dream Party" where Goins claimed to have met Cosby did not find images of either of them.

While Cosby's name turned up on the guest list for an event at the mansion in February of that year, he was not registered as a guest for any bash there that summer, the document states.


Also, detectives were unable to track down the friend Goins said she was with at the Playboy Mansion bash.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bi...capes-criminal-charges-two-rape-cases-n491581

 

[wendiesan]

:tyou: for the "high profile" sexual assault/rape cases. I'm not really into sports but do recall the Mike Tyson charges/conviction. I was primarily interested in entertainment celebrities like Mr. Cosby.

While Cosby is entitled to a speedy trial, I doubt this case will arrive at that stage within the year. I suspect there will be multiple motions filed with varying degrees of delay. :moo:

In addition to Rolf Harris (found guilty of several sexual attacks on young girls) there are some other entertainers who have gone to trial on sexually related charges.
Michael Jackson (not guilty)
Gary Glitter (found guilty)
Jeffrey Jones (plead no contest)
Marv Albert (plead guilty)

Others have been publicly accused of various sexual crimes but were not charged or taken to trial on those accusations.
Woody Allen
John Travolta
Ceelo Green
Britny Spears
(Koby Bryant)
David Copperfield
Bryan Singer (charges withdrawn)

 

[ILOKAL]

How are rates of sexual assault determined? How are the rape statistics published by the U.S. Department of Justice determined?

 

[Paulas88]

In addition to Rolf Harris (found guilty of several sexual attacks on young girls) there are some other entertainers who have gone to trial on sexually related charges.
Michael Jackson (not guilty)
Gary Glitter (found guilty)
Jeffrey Jones (plead no contest)
Marv Albert (plead guilty)

Others have been publicly accused of various sexual crimes but were not charged or taken to trial on those accusations.
Woody Allen
John Travolta
Ceelo Green
Britny Spears
(Koby Bryant)
David Copperfield
Bryan Singer (charges withdrawn)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...llins-admits-to-sexually-abusing-three-girls/

Stephen Collins 7-th heaven Dad admits to sexually abusing 3 children.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Forgot about Stephen Collins :blushing: There was an active discussion of the case here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-on-tape-admitting-molestation-of-girls/page9