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[beesy]

Someone was seen in the neighborhood, at a neighbors house, that night, looking in their window, So if if Darlie did it, you still have 2 miscreants roaming the neighborhood anyway. Track them down with their predictive behaviour of looking in windows who knows you might have an eyewitness or even better 2 eye witnesses.

I might believe her story except for the fact that she does not call the police. She simply waits up for her husband to come home from work. She came forward years later. She said they tried to break in one window, then went to another. She had plenty of time to call for help. Then she didn't tell her story until many years later. I think if those men even existed, they would have been caught by now, maybe promise to tell them what they know about the Routier murders, try to cut a deal(note I said try). These guys were dumb. She looked right at them through the blinds, yet they didn't seem to notice, just went to try another window. It sounds too wild. She might not even have the right date. If she come forward right away, it'd be more believable, and called the cops!

 

[beesy]

How far is the city clean out from their backyard or maybe y'all put em out front. It is the only access directly to the mains and flushing aint gonna do it

You mean water from toilets flushing things out to the mains? The sock was found down the alley, near a trashcan and a sewer. I obviously don't know the answer. I don't even understand the Q :crazy:

 

[beesy]

Someone was seen in the neighborhood, at a neighbors house, that night, looking in their window, So if if Darlie did it, you still have 2 miscreants roaming the neighborhood anyway. Track them down with their predictive behaviour of looking in windows who knows you might have an eyewitness or even better 2 eye witnesses.

Is the woman?
Affidavit of Darlene Potter

51. Darlene Potter’s Affidavit states that she saw two “suspicious” men on near an “S” curve on Dalrock Road in Rowlett after 2:00 am on the night of the murders. (Applicant’s Writ Exhibit 14).

52. The Court finds that Potter executed her Affidavit on July 10, 2002, over six years after the offense. (Applicant’s Writ Exhibit 14).

53. The Court finds that Potter did not provide this information to the police at the time of the offense.

54. The Court finds that the men in question were walking in a direction that led away from the Routier home prior to the murders.

55. The Court finds that David Nabors’ Affidavit (State’s Writ Exhibit 3) identifies three possible locations matching that description of the areas where Potter saw the “suspicious” men: 7609 Dalrock Road, 8705 Dalrock Road, and 8900 Dalrock Road.

56. The Court finds that the aerial maps attached to Nabors’s Affidavit show that 7609 Dalrock Road is 5861 feet (1.1 miles) away from the Routier home at 5801 Eagle Drive, and 8705 Dalrock Road is 8505 feet (1.6 miles) away. (State’s Writ Exhibit 3, Map 1, Map 2).

57. The Court finds that the distances described in the previous finding are straight lines cutting through numerous houses, fences, streets, and parking lots. (State’s Writ Exhibit 3, Map 1, Map 2).

58. The Court finds that from the Routier home at 5801 Eagle Drive the driving distance was 2.3 miles to 8900 Dalrock Drive, approximately 2 miles to 8705 Dalrock Drive, and approximately 1.23 miles to 7609 Dalrock Drive. (State’s Writ Exhibit 3).

59. The Court finds that Potters delay in executing her affidavit and failure to report what she witnessed at the time cast doubt on the veracity of her allegations.

60. The Court finds that the affidavits demonstrate that the men had no connection to the instant offense.

61. The Court finds that Applicant has failed to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that Potter’s affidavit proves that anyone other than Applicant was responsible for or involved in the murders.

62. The Court finds that Potter’s Affidavit in not affirmative evidence of Applicant’s innocence.
http://www.justicefordarlie.net/transcripts/rfrancis-final.php

 

[G.I.RattlesnakeJane]

You mean water from toilets flushing things out to the mains? The sock was found down the alley, near a trashcan and a sewer. I obviously don't know the answer. I don't even understand the Q :crazy:

The city will have their own clean out a place they can put a roto rooter like tool down, bigger than the one a plumber uses. One of our neighbors had a towel go down his swimming pool drain as they had removed the screen like cover. It cloged the main up( not total blockage but enough) and our block had sewer problems, slow moving drains, toliets that wouldn't flush completley etc.
The city came out and ran a roto rooter like tool down the main line to find the blockage. It was a towel. Every person who had a pool was questioned, our pool was gone and had never beeen connected to the drainage system as it was above ground. They narrowed the field to inground pools and the only people who had one and it was new was 3 houses down from us. They got the bill for the city cleaning out the drain.

Anyway, where is the location of that city main clean out. It will have a man hole cover on it. Not the individual clean out that goes to your house only but the one clean out that gives them access to the main pipe only. Each house has a feeder to the main. You said their was a sewer nearby- do you mean a manhole cover for the clean out, was it the main, or a feeder to the house.

 

[deanws]

The city will have their own clean out a place they can put a roto rooter like tool down, bigger than the one a plumber uses. One of our neighbors had a towel go down his swimming pool drain as they had removed the screen like cover. It cloged the main up( not total blockage but enough) and our block had sewer problems, slow moving drains, toliets that wouldn't flush completley etc.
The city came out and ran a roto rooter like tool down the main line to find the blockage. It was a towel. Every person who had a pool was questioned, our pool was gone and had never beeen connected to the drainage system as it was above ground. They narrowed the field to inground pools and the only people who had one and it was new was 3 houses down from us. They got the bill for the city cleaning out the drain.

Anyway, where is the location of that city main clean out. It will have a man hole cover on it. Not the individual clean out that goes to your house only but the one clean out that gives them access to the main pipe only. Each house has a feeder to the main. You said their was a sewer nearby- do you mean a manhole cover for the clean out, was it the main, or a feeder to the house.

The strip you are referring to is called an EASEMENT. It is located at the back strip or side strip of your property. The easement is where the city services meet your property to hook up to your house.
Once an object makes its way to the CITY CLEAN OUT(which is PAST your property line)...the CITY is responsible for the bill. If the object is between your personal property and BEFORE the city connection(where services are hooked up to your property) it is the property owner's responsibility. My husband was a civil engineer/ with a law degree and worked in the record keeping/right of way department. He was also head of the survey group at ExxonMobil. I know the law about problems such as this. Try again.:snooty: Also, your plumbing going out and connecting to the city's lines are MUCH smaller that the city's main drain. If the towel can make it all the way out of the your home's smaller pipes to the main line....it would have NO problem going all the way through the city's clean out. My husband said he would like to see the size of a towel that could make it through a home owner's drain pipes yet clog up or slow down the city's main line drainage. And, even if it did, the city is still responsible for cleaning out their own lines at their own expense.

 

[deanws]

I have always been of the opinion that the sock was placed there to throw off the cops and to look like the intruder dropped it there. Others think that sock was something dropped that was meant for the storm street drain. Which one do yall think and why?

 

[Goody]

Exactly! I have seen kids when I was in high school and college stoned. You are right. They act very similar.:laugh: I don't know WHY people do that to their bodies, not to mention how stupid they look when they are that stoned.:hand:

Don't get me started. :banghead:

But my point is if Jane's crackheads were stumbling all over Darlie's garage and house, back yard, etc, they would have left evidence of their presence in some form.....breakage, disruption, hair, fingerprints, blood smears, eye witnesses like neighbors perhaps who heard them in the alley, etc. No evidence of an intruder means no intruder, or at the very minimum it means no evidence of an intruder so there is no foundation for an intruder theory except pure speculation which isn't worth the powder it would take to blow it up. (Hmm...wonder how much powder it would take to blow up a theory?)

 

[Goody]

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I think she rinsed too, although I don't know why she did. Maybe she was worried about HIV. Wasn't a little bit of Devon's blood found on the backsplash and/or in the P-trap? I remember hearing that and I looked for it but couldn't find it.

First, you can't catch HIV from anyone unless they have HIV, so there was no threat Darlie could catch HIV from her kids.

Yes, Devon's blood was found in that area, I believe. Seems it was around or in the drain.

 

[deanws]

Don't get me started. :banghead:

But my point is if Jane's crackheads were stumbling all over Darlie's garage and house, back yard, etc, they would have left evidence of their presence in some form.....breakage, disruption, hair, fingerprints, blood smears, eye witnesses like neighbors perhaps who heard them in the alley, etc. No evidence of an intruder means no intruder, or at the very minimum it means no evidence of an intruder so there is no foundation for an intruder theory except pure speculation which isn't worth the powder it would take to blow it up. (Hmm...wonder how much powder it would take to blow up a theory?)

LOL...I agree. Now give me your take on my question above. Do you think the sock was meant for the drain...or meant to be found by the cops...and why do you feel the way you do. This is a 20 point essay question for your test grade! LOL!!!

 

[Goody]

Someone was seen in the neighborhood, at a neighbors house, that night, looking in their window, So if if Darlie did it, you still have 2 miscreants roaming the neighborhood anyway. Track them down with their predictive behaviour of looking in windows who knows you might have an eyewitness or even better 2 eye witnesses.

It was someone about 5 or 6 blocks away, and the witness' description did not match Darlie's at all. Also, these guys did not break into the woman's house or become violent. They ran away. The woman had a teenaged daughter and it is entirely possible that it was connected to her somehow. And the woman was not a credible witness for many reasons. She was on medication, watching a horror flick at the time,and had just gotten home from majory surgery or cancer treatment. She may have had an active imagination. She didn't come forward right away so there is no way of knowing for sure if whatever happened at her house even happened on the same night. There are nuts in every case, you know.

 

[Goody]

That's what I've been thinking. A 2nd knife does not clear Darlie. You've mentioned before that you wonder what else went down that sewer. It wouldn't make or break the case, but it'd be a good thing to know. It's sort of creepy thinking about it, isn't it?

How far is the city clean out from their backyard or maybe y'all put em out front. It is the only access directly to the mains and flushing aint gonna do it .[/QUOTE]
The gutter opening on a curbing in a paved alley was approx 75 feet from the Routier property. (3 houses down with the Routier house being the first)

 

[Goody]

You mean water from toilets flushing things out to the mains? The sock was found down the alley, near a trashcan and a sewer. I obviously don't know the answer. I don't even understand the Q :crazy:

See post #91.

 

[deanws]

It was someone about 5 or 6 blocks away, and the witness' description did not match Darlie's at all. Also, these guys did not break into the woman's house or become violent. They ran away. The woman had a teenaged daughter and it is entirely possible that it was connected to her somehow. And the woman was not a credible witness for many reasons. She was on medication, watching a horror flick at the time,and had just gotten home from majory surgery or cancer treatment. She may have had an active imagination. She didn't come forward right away so there is no way of knowing for sure if whatever happened at her house even happened on the same night. There are nuts in every case, you know.

Some nuts come out for their 15 minutes of fame.:crazy: I am not saying that this lady was one though. If I had been home and someone did that to me...I would have called the police. :chicken:

 

[Goody]

Is the woman?
Affidavit of Darlene Potter

51. Darlene Potter’s Affidavit states that she saw two “suspicious” men on near an “S” curve on Dalrock Road in Rowlett after 2:00 am on the night of the murders. (Applicant’s Writ Exhibit 14).

52. The Court finds that Potter executed her Affidavit on July 10, 2002, over six years after the offense. (Applicant’s Writ Exhibit 14).

53. The Court finds that Potter did not provide this information to the police at the time of the offense.

54. The Court finds that the men in question were walking in a direction that led away from the Routier home prior to the murders.

55. The Court finds that David Nabors’ Affidavit (State’s Writ Exhibit 3) identifies three possible locations matching that description of the areas where Potter saw the “suspicious” men: 7609 Dalrock Road, 8705 Dalrock Road, and 8900 Dalrock Road.

56. The Court finds that the aerial maps attached to Nabors’s Affidavit show that 7609 Dalrock Road is 5861 feet (1.1 miles) away from the Routier home at 5801 Eagle Drive, and 8705 Dalrock Road is 8505 feet (1.6 miles) away. (State’s Writ Exhibit 3, Map 1, Map 2).

57. The Court finds that the distances described in the previous finding are straight lines cutting through numerous houses, fences, streets, and parking lots. (State’s Writ Exhibit 3, Map 1, Map 2).

58. The Court finds that from the Routier home at 5801 Eagle Drive the driving distance was 2.3 miles to 8900 Dalrock Drive, approximately 2 miles to 8705 Dalrock Drive, and approximately 1.23 miles to 7609 Dalrock Drive. (State’s Writ Exhibit 3).

59. The Court finds that Potters delay in executing her affidavit and failure to report what she witnessed at the time cast doubt on the veracity of her allegations.

60. The Court finds that the affidavits demonstrate that the men had no connection to the instant offense.

61. The Court finds that Applicant has failed to prove by a preponderance of the evidence that Potter’s affidavit proves that anyone other than Applicant was responsible for or involved in the murders.

62. The Court finds that Potter’s Affidavit in not affirmative evidence of Applicant’s innocence.
http://www.justicefordarlie.net/transcripts/rfrancis-final.php

No, I think the woman's name was Rickels or something like that. The Potters come long after the trial. I don't know the area, but there was a woman who testified to seeing two men walking along side of the road a couple of miles from Dalie's house. They scared her as I recall, but there was nothing to tie them to the crime and I don't think they matched Darlie's description either. Probably just area ne'er-do-wells who ran out of gas or something. I believe the time was off as well.

 

[Goody]

LOL...I agree. Now give me your take on my question above. Do you think the sock was meant for the drain...or meant to be found by the cops...and why do you feel the way you do. This is a 20 point essay question for your test grade! LOL!!!

I think some stuff went down that sewer and the sock was an accidental drop. Of course that probably means that Darin was also involved in the actual murders. I wish some enterprising Texas sleuth would take a journey down that main pipe at that location just on the off chance that something got hung up in it and has been waiting all these years to be discovered. Surely one could get the city to open it up for a good reason. If I were young and healthy, I'd been planning a TX vacation to do just that. Just because I can't stand to leave a mystery alone.

 

[deanws]

No, I think the woman's name was Rickels or something like that. The Potters come long after the trial. I don't know the area, but there was a woman who testified to seeing two men walking along side of the road a couple of miles from Dalie's house. They scared her as I recall, but there was nothing to tie them to the crime and I don't think they matched Darlie's description either. Probably just area ne'er-do-wells who ran out of gas or something. I believe the time was off as well.

Speaking of running out of gas...my husband:slap: almost ran out of gas Monday evening on the way back from Huntsville. I looked over at the dashboard and saw the little red light on. I asked him how long it had been on. He said he hadn't noticed it until I asked! We were in the freaking middle of NO WHERE and it was DARK! :slap: :slap: :slap: :slap: The truck started to sputter. I was so freaking mad at him:furious: ! When we did FINALLY made it to a gas station....we put in 15.80 gallons of gas. It only has a 15 gallon tank! We were driving on fumes FROM the fumes! Husbands...can't live with them...can't live without them.

 

[Goody]

The city will have their own clean out a place they can put a roto rooter like tool down, bigger than the one a plumber uses. One of our neighbors had a towel go down his swimming pool drain as they had removed the screen like cover. It cloged the main up( not total blockage but enough) and our block had sewer problems, slow moving drains, toliets that wouldn't flush completley etc.
The city came out and ran a roto rooter like tool down the main line to find the blockage. It was a towel. Every person who had a pool was questioned, our pool was gone and had never beeen connected to the drainage system as it was above ground. They narrowed the field to inground pools and the only people who had one and it was new was 3 houses down from us. They got the bill for the city cleaning out the drain.

Anyway, where is the location of that city main clean out. It will have a man hole cover on it. Not the individual clean out that goes to your house only but the one clean out that gives them access to the main pipe only. Each house has a feeder to the main. You said their was a sewer nearby- do you mean a manhole cover for the clean out, was it the main, or a feeder to the house.

The 3 things are right close together where the sock was found. There is a gutter on the curbing. The manhole cover nearby. The neighbor's trash can and the sock on the grassy section. You can see a photo of them in MTJD.

 

[Goody]

Speaking of running out of gas...my husband:slap: almost ran out of gas Monday evening on the way back from Huntsville. I looked over at the dashboard and saw the little red light on. I asked him how long it had been on. He said he hadn't noticed it until I asked! We were in the freaking middle of NO WHERE and it was DARK! :slap: :slap: :slap: :slap: The truck started to sputter. I was so freaking mad at him:furious: ! When we did FINALLY made it to a gas station....we put in 15.80 gallons of gas. It only has a 15 gallon tank! We were driving on fumes FROM the fumes! Husbands...can't live with them...can't live without them.

Shoot, one time I was with a friend and as we pulled up to the pump, the engine started cutting out like it does when it runs out of gas. It sort of sputters and jerks a little. I was ready to thump her, too. hahaha

 

[deanws]

I think some stuff went down that sewer and the sock was an accidental drop. Of course that probably means that Darin was also involved in the actual murders. I wish some enterprising Texas sleuth would take a journey down that main pipe at that location just on the off chance that something got hung up in it and has been waiting all these years to be discovered. Surely one could get the city to open it up for a good reason. If I were young and healthy, I'd been planning a TX vacation to do just that. Just because I can't stand to leave a mystery alone.

I live plenty close enough to do that...but they aren't going to open it up for no reason. Plus, the floods we have had here since all that happened would have washed away all the stuff years ago. I really can't imagine why in the world they didn't do it when all this happened. That is one area where someone should have gotten their hands slapped.:croc:

 

[Goody]

Some nuts come out for their 15 minutes of fame.:crazy: I am not saying that this lady was one though. If I had been home and someone did that to me...I would have called the police. :chicken:

I am thinking the lady had a stroke. I am not sure. I just remember that her story was questionable, esp since she told it too late to try to find supporting evidence to validate it. Gosh, if that had happened to me, I would be calling the cops too. That is sort of why I thought maybe it all had to do with the daughter. Maybe these guys were friends of hers or someone she had a conflict with. It just didn't help the case.