Bob Saget dead at 65 -- hours after performing live

[LietKynes]

Right? He'd have to be Jumping on a trampoline or "levitating" sideways in that room!
Just scanning over his life, so sad...
His baby twin brothers died and he lost his sister in 1994. I remember him speaking of her on more than one occasion!
Of note, did he die on his sister's 75th birthday? Or the day after, I guess since it was past midnight.
I'm not going to speculate any further, than to say, nothing is adding up, because the truth has yet to be told.
I hope and pray his "Tanner" family get the truth they deserve.
It seems his wife and daughters already know.
I really don't need to know the specifics, but, I get it. Don't insult people's intelligence with tales that are so easily proven to be untrue.
Why sue the state of Florida when the grizzly details have already been released!
I don't think any of us want to see photos.
We've got the picture.
Moo

bbm
Agreed.
Bumped his head on the headboard ??
Doubtful.

Bob did suffer quite a bit of loss in his life; I hope he's at peace and in a much better place now; reunited with his family members !
MOO.

 

[gngr~snap]

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bbm
Agreed.
Bumped his head on the headboard ??
Doubtful.

Bob did suffer quite a bit of loss in his life; I hope he's at peace and in a much better place now; reunited with his family members !
MOO.

Yes! I agree!
RIP sweet man.
Moo

 

[no nonsense]

Can someone clarify if he was in street clothes or bed clothes when he was found? And reports say he was face down but his right arm was over his chest? That doesn't make sense (wouldn’t it be “under” his chest?). Here’s my theory: If he drove after his show in Jax to Orlando, he may have been tired, but he took his sleep meds anyway (trazodone and klonopin are often used for sleep) and was groggy in his room. The Ritz and the Marriott (they are contiguous on the property) are beautiful, and if I recall correctly, you either need to use the key to get the elevator to operate, or to access the club level rooms (I am guessing room 962 is a club level room). A quick look at the floor plan of the executive suites and similar rooms shows a large bathroom with a walk out shower, the tub in a separate area sort of perpendicular to it, and the sinks and toilet also separate. Its a big space. If he was in his street clothes, maybe he was in the bathroom and slipped on something, hitting his head, or passed out, hitting his head on the marble floor or tub (or sink or shower- it all looks marble and tile). Maybe when he awakened he was confused, also groggy from the sleep meds and drive, tried to get to bed and fell again, causing a second injury (once forward, once backward). While yes, the orbital bleeds could be a contrecoup injury, the orbital fractures don't quite fit, which is why I wonder if he fell twice before getting to the bed. While suspicion is understandable, I really don’t suspect foul play. And GatorFL is right about the Dale Earnhardt autopsy photos. The attorney the family initially hired was actually going to release the autopsy photos to a UF school paper (the FL Alligator), but the family changed legal representation to someone in Jax rather than Daytona Beach and the photos were suppressed.

 

[no nonsense]

I found it earlier in this thread and read the summary pages. Can someone kindly relink the report? There have been inconsistent comments in posts here as to what he was wearing when he was found. Thanks

 

[jjenny]

Can someone clarify if he was in street clothes or bed clothes when he was found? And reports say he was face down but his right arm was over his chest? That doesn't make sense (wouldn’t it be “under” his chest?). Here’s my theory: If he drove after his show in Jax to Orlando, he may have been tired, but he took his sleep meds anyway (trazodone and klonopin are often used for sleep) and was groggy in his room. The Ritz and the Marriott (they are contiguous on the property) are beautiful, and if I recall correctly, you either need to use the key to get the elevator to operate, or to access the club level rooms (I am guessing room 962 is a club level room). A quick look at the floor plan of the executive suites and similar rooms shows a large bathroom with a walk out shower, the tub in a separate area sort of perpendicular to it, and the sinks and toilet also separate. Its a big space. If he was in his street clothes, maybe he was in the bathroom and slipped on something, hitting his head, or passed out, hitting his head on the marble floor or tub (or sink or shower- it all looks marble and tile). Maybe when he awakened he was confused, also groggy from the sleep meds and drive, tried to get to bed and fell again, causing a second injury (once forward, once backward). While yes, the orbital bleeds could be a contrecoup injury, the orbital fractures don't quite fit, which is why I wonder if he fell twice before getting to the bed. While suspicion is understandable, I really don’t suspect foul play. And GatorFL is right about the Dale Earnhardt autopsy photos. The attorney the family initially hired was actually going to release the autopsy photos to a UF school paper (the FL Alligator), but the family changed legal representation to someone in Jax rather than Daytona Beach and the photos were suppressed.

He was face up, not face down.
‘Supine position’ meaning explained as Bob Saget dies aged 65 (hitc.com)

 

[no nonsense]

He was face up, not face down.
‘Supine position’ meaning explained as Bob Saget dies aged 65 (hitc.com)

That makes sense. Some articles have said he was found face down. Can’t trust the media!

 

[Luna20]

I don’t think anyone was expecting to see photos of him deceased. Of all the various people who have died recently there are no published photos. So I’m confused as to why she would think that.

In Kobe Bryant’s case it was different because LE allegedly took photos of Kobe at the scene and were passing them around at a bar. That’s different than a coroner’s report.

In the filing it says not to release “video, audio, photos AND other details.” Its “the other details” that present an issue with LE and transparency. One of them made the comment of following protocol in being transparent.

This can open a door to equality issues. If there is a non celebrity that dies but is very popular and liked within their own circle would the judge make the same call? “In an effort to minimize…”

 

[Luna20]

Right? He'd have to be Jumping on a trampoline or "levitating" sideways in that room!
Just scanning over his life, so sad...
His baby twin brothers died and he lost his sister in 1994. I remember him speaking of her on more than one occasion!
Of note, did he die on his sister's 75th birthday? Or the day after, I guess since it was past midnight.
I'm not going to speculate any further, than to say, nothing is adding up, because the truth has yet to be told.
I hope and pray his "Tanner" family get the truth they deserve.
It seems his wife and daughters already know.
I really don't need to know the specifics, but, I get it. Don't insult people's intelligence with tales that are so easily proven to be untrue.
Why sue the state of Florida when the grizzly details have already been released!
I don't think any of us want to see photos.
We've got the picture.
Moo

Right, we don’t want to or expect to see photos. The filing seems aggressive in shutting things down.

 

[pbj]

FROM TMZ: "But, here's the mystery ... some medical experts say the skull fracture is consistent with being hit by a bat, or falling as far as 30 feet. Obviously, that kind of fall didn't happen, but as for Bob being struck -- we're told the electronic front door lock to his hotel room shows no one else entered the room. Once Bob entered, the next time the door opened was when hotel staff found him in the afternoon."

We're still with Bob Saget being alone in his room. The electronic lock on his hotel room shows that once he entered the room, the next time the door opened was when the staff found him in the afternoon.

 

[IceIce9]

That makes sense. Some articles have said he was found face down. Can’t trust the media!

I think the confusion began because some thought the word supine meant face down.

 

[pbj]

FROM NBC NEWS: "In Florida, exemptions apply to photographs, video and recordings from the death investigation, as well as photos and videos that may have been included in the autopsy report."

Another chief medical examiner in Florida district said while photos and videos are exempt under Florida law, the autopsy report and toxicology report are not exempt.

So it appears there won't be a release of an photographs, videos and recordings from the death investigation or the autopsy. However, we should later see the autopsy report. Also I think they normally also release the LE investigative report which generally includes witness statements, etc.

 

[Luna20]

FROM NBC NEWS: "In Florida, exemptions apply to photographs, video and recordings from the death investigation, as well as photos and videos that may have been included in the autopsy report."

Another chief medical examiner in Florida district said while photos and videos are exempt under Florida law, the autopsy report and toxicology report are not exempt.

So it appears there won't be a release of an photographs, videos and recordings from the death investigation or the autopsy. However, we should later see the autopsy report. Also I think they normally also release the LE investigative report which generally includes witness statements, etc.

“In a statement shared with PEOPLE in response to the lawsuit, the Sheriff's Office said, "While we are sensitive to the family's concerns about the right to privacy, that must be balanced with our commitment to transparency, compliance with the law, and the public's right to know."

In this article it includes not releasing the reports.

Sheriff's Office Responds to Lawsuit Filed by Bob Saget's Family to Block Release of Death Records

 

[gngr~snap]

I think the confusion began because some thought the word supine meant face down.

No, that's prone. (Face down)
MOO

 

[Seattle1]

bob saget‏Verified account @bobsaget
Loving beyond words being on tour —And doing an all new show of standup and music. Hope to see you out there. More dates being added continually as we go further into 2022... For tickets, go to: http://BobSaget.com

4:36 PM - 8 Dec 2021

Confirming that BS had a show in Orlando on Jan 7 which might explain why he was departing from MCO.

 

[Seattle1]

I'm not sure what you are looking for, but that page has been archived on Wayback

Wayback Machine

Thanks, @Gardenista. I wasn't able to see earlier dates in January (error msg) but I found a tweet confirming BS had a show in Orlando on Jan 7.

 

[tamsidea]

There have definitely been cases where the ME has gotten wrong (proven by second autopsy) or there are certain injuries children have (often rare) that result in injuries that appear to be caused by child abuse, but are actually the result of everyday activities. Those are sad cases. Without seeing a specific example, I can't really comment on it, but basically these types of brain injuries are not common. Most of the time, if you hit your head, you'll be fine, but you can't always count on that. ANY fall in which there is a head strike has the potential to be catastrophic. Natasha Richardson (different type of head injury), really didn't hit her head hard. She didn't lose consciousness, she just banged her head. But she banged it in just the right spot where the consequences were fatal. This was because where she hit it, there are blood vessels and so she had a brain bleed inside the skull but outside her brain. There's very little room there so the increased pressure compresses the brain which eventually will lead to death.
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In Bob Saget's case, for a fall to cause this kind of damage, everything had to happened just right. I think a few posters said a few pages ago that for BS to have this level of injury, it had to have been a serious impact (whatever the cause) and it had to have hit at exactly the place to cause all the other injuries.

Thanks @BeginnerSleuther. My younger brother has a significant TBI (well actually 2) and I should know that it all comes down to where on the head and the momentum of either your body or the object hitting your head. I mean I really do know, but I still struggle almost 30 years later with how vastly different one can be injured (or not) from a hit to the head.
My brother was not expected to live after his first accident that caused a TBI. He was 16. He wrecked while jumping a gravel pile on his dirt bike pulling the bike backwards on top of himself. He was in full motocross type gear with a supposedly "very good" helmet but that did not protect him. He did survive but was in a coma for 6 weeks and has severe cognitive deficits as a result.
His fall was from 15'-20' feet above ground- so lots of momentum-hitting the ground plus the weight of the bike after. Part (probably a handle) hit him through the visor in the forehead and part landed on his leg. That left him with a compound fractured femur despite his pads - so you can imagine the downward force it must have had.
I thought Natasha's injury came from hitting a tree while skiing - so also momentum, right?
So then, the idea that a person could have gotten the same type of injury by hitting their head hard enough from any normal position a person might be in when they would hit the back of their head on a headboard i.e. laying down from a seated position or even hoping on the bed... I just can't figure out a way you could build up momentum. I have wondered why LE thinks headboard versus falling in the bathroom and assume there was some kind of evidence that it was the headboard he hit. It's just really difficult to wrap my brain around how the amount of force needed could happen that way. (no pun intended)

 

[Andreee]

FROM TMZ: "But, here's the mystery ... some medical experts say the skull fracture is consistent with being hit by a bat, or falling as far as 30 feet. Obviously, that kind of fall didn't happen, but as for Bob being struck -- we're told the electronic front door lock to his hotel room shows no one else entered the room. Once Bob entered, the next time the door opened was when hotel staff found him in the afternoon."

We're still with Bob Saget being alone in his room. The electronic lock on his hotel room shows that once he entered the room, the next time the door opened was when the staff found him in the afternoon.

Interesting information! I wonder if some or all of his head injuries happened before he entered the room. It sure is a shocking turn of events to read about the extent of his head trauma!

 

[IceIce9]

No, that's prone. (Face down)
MOO

Of course. But I think some people didn’t know that supine meant face up and that is where the confusion began, and the incorrect information was repeated.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Thanks @BeginnerSleuther. My younger brother has a significant TBI (well actually 2) and I should know that it all comes down to where on the head and the momentum of either your body or the object hitting your head. I mean I really do know, but I still struggle almost 30 years later with how vastly different one can be injured (or not) from a hit to the head.
My brother was not expected to live after his first accident that caused a TBI. He was 16. He wrecked while jumping a gravel pile on his dirt bike pulling the bike backwards on top of himself. He was in full motocross type gear with a supposedly "very good" helmet but that did not protect him. He did survive but was in a coma for 6 weeks and has severe cognitive deficits as a result.
His fall was from 15'-20' feet above ground- so lots of momentum-hitting the ground plus the weight of the bike after. Part (probably a handle) hit him through the visor in the forehead and part landed on his leg. That left him with a compound fractured femur despite his pads - so you can imagine the downward force it must have had.
I thought Natasha's injury came from hitting a tree while skiing - so also momentum, right?
So then, the idea that a person could have gotten the same type of injury by hitting their head hard enough from any normal position a person might be in when they would hit the back of their head on a headboard i.e. laying down from a seated position or even hoping on the bed... I just can't figure out a way you could build up momentum. I have wondered why LE thinks headboard versus falling in the bathroom and assume there was some kind of evidence that it was the headboard he hit. It's just really difficult to wrap my brain around how the amount of force needed could happen that way. (no pun intended)

I'm sorry to hear about your brother. Momentum isn't necessarily make or break. Certainly when there is momentum such as in your brother's case, we see severe brain injuries. But lack of momentum shouldn't reassure people that their head bump was nothing. Natasha Richardson fell down (not into a tree). She fell on the snowy mountain and bumped her head, but was otherwise fine. I don't know how much momentum was involved because I'm not sure how fast she was going or exactly how she fell. But she didn't collide with any objects.

Here's an article that explains it in non-medical terms.

Natasha Richardson’s death and what you should know about brain injuries | MinnPost

There are multiple mechanisms by which someone can bump their head in a way that causes severe injury. The brain is surrounded by blood vessels so if you hit your head hard enough or in just the right spot where one of those vessels is affected or torn or the brain bounces around, it can cause a brain bleed. In some cases, your body will reabsorb the blood. In cases like NR's, you won't have symptoms until hours later because the bleed is slow. In still other cases, the trauma is too severe and people lose consciousness right away or don't realize there's a problem until it's too late.

In BS's case, with the amount of damage done, I can't see how a headboard injury could be the answer. A fall is much more likely, imo. But if there hadn't been that amount of damage, I buy that hitting your head on a headboard, in general, can potentially cause a brain bleed.

 

[no nonsense]

If by chance Saget passed out in the marble/tile bathroom and fell backward, he would have made no attempt to break his fall. He was tall (6'4") so would have landed hard. Its possible (purely conjecturing) that if he passed out, he could have hit his head on, say the edge of the marble tub, the impact flipped him and he then landed face down on the floor. This could explain both the occipital and frontal fractures.