Bosma Murder Trial 02.02.16 - Day 2

[swedie]

I think he or "they" burned the car seats in the open based on the info you brought up.

There is also information re: seats in the Crown's opening statement I linked above. All that was left of the seats was the metal frame work. IMO I think they burnt the seats in the incinerator. If a human body could fit, so could seats. Much more convenient. Otherwise they would have had to make a bonfire on the farmland, which could have attracted passer-bys or neighbours' attention. I suspect the last thing they wanted to do was attract attention to the farmland. The fact that the metal frame work from the seats were found in the trailer with TB's truck and not found out on the farmland properties leads me to believe the seats were incinerated.

What some believed to be scorch marks in the field at the farmland, I suspect they were the ashes of TB and remnants of the truck seats, where the incinerator was emptied out by the perps. When the incinerator was examined by the forensic examiner, there were only bone fragments in the bottom. I suggest where the green tent was set up nearby, the day the incinerator was discovered, contains the incinerator. If you recall, in pictures/videos, it appears forensics were sifting. They are searching for bone fragments. The area amongst the trees where there appears to be a tarp covering something, I wonder if it's could be just a piece of machinery. JMO.

 

[matou]

Would both TB and the car seat both fit at the same time? Otherwise, they would need to wait for the incinerator to cool down a bit before putting something else in. Also the frame of the seats were found with the truck in the trailer.

 

[ArianeEmory]

1) It's also my feeling that the truck parts/interior went into the incinerator.

2) Scorch marks: I'm straining my memory here, but I think this is one of those pieces of media info that came via "a source" and was never textually confirmed by LE. I remember we did discuss it a lot, so it must have been more than a theory, but I don't think we had pics or anything.

Ashes does make sense. The cremains had to end up somewhere.

 

[jash]

Bringing this forward from other thread...

Quote Originally Posted by LoyalSleuth View Post
Thinking over what we have heard so far, just from day one, it would be useful to have a revised timeline of the Crown's allegations that will be backed up by evidence...

Something like:
1. May 4 - Contact TB about truck via cel phone,DM advises he will come see truck Monday night.
2. May 6 - TB waits for DM to come see truck, worries about it getting late
3. May 6 - TB gets call from DM at 7pm saying he will be there in an hour
4. May 6 - DM & MS arrive at TB's home to test drive truck 9:20pm
5. May 6 - 9:30???? TB is shot in truck
6. May 6 - 11pm??? DM & MS (with a deceased TB in truck) pick up the GMC of DM's, one drive GMC one drives TB's truck
7. May 6 - 11pm??? DM & MS pick up Eliminator from DM's farm and tow using TB truck to Millardair Hangar with GMC following (or is it someone else driving the GMC, I don't know, but my opinion is there was not)
8. May 7 - 12:00am ???, DM, MS and deceased TB arrive at Millardair hangar (video shows the truck parking the elminator right outside the hangar doors)
9. May 7 - 1:00am ???video shows DM lighting the eliminator
10. May 7 - DM send text to employees "Airport Polictics, do NOT come to the hangar today at all, not even to just grab something."
11. May ? - DM gives video DVR to CN
12. May ? - DM & CN gives lock box to friend
13. May ? - MS gets lock box and gin from friend
14. May ? - MS buries gun in forest
15. May ? - DM, take elimintator to farm?
16. May ? - DM & CN hide the eliminator near tree line at farm
17. May ? - DM & CN pulled TB's truck in trailer to DM's mom house

My understanding is DM called a friend on the night of May 9th and made arrangements to drop off the locked toolbox. Also on May 9th, DM picked up CN en route to Kleinburg (towing the trailer containing TB's truck). It was then that he gave her the DVR. After Kleinburg, they went to Ayr to move the incinerator. Then, around 4:00 am on May 10th, they dropped off the toolbox at the friend's.

What is still not clear to me is why did he take it to his mom's house? He had contacted a body shop about painting it. Was he planning on just storing it at his mom's until he could get it to the shop for new paint (and VIN maybe)?

 

[Kamille]

1) It's also my feeling that the truck parts/interior went into the incinerator.

2) Scorch marks: I'm straining my memory here, but I think this is one of those pieces of media info that came via "a source" and was never textually confirmed by LE. I remember we did discuss it a lot, so it must have been more than a theory, but I don't think we had pics or anything.

Ashes does make sense. The cremains had to end up somewhere.

I thought I remembered a neighbour at the farm suggesting that the incinerator was moved from it's "usual place" into the trees and that the "usual place" was the scorched area? Wouldn't surprise me if it was used for small animals prior to this murder as well. For fun, not necessity.

Cremains are not all "ashes". There are many larger bones and fragments, as well as teeth etc. that are left after a proper cremation. When processed for the family of a deceased individual, these are sifted out, pounded and crushed and added to the rest of the "ashes". Either all of the 58 fragments, 2 bones and a tooth are from Tim and the forensic anthropologist just can't prove it with 100 percent certainty, or more of TB is buried somewhere on that farm and it's a mystery who or what animal belongs to the rest.


MOO

 

[Wondergirl]

Lisa Hepfner Retweeted
Sam Pazzano ‏@SamPazzano 12m12 minutes ago
Accused killer Dellen Millard stared at Bosma widow from time she left the witness stand to the courtroom door, spinning round in his chair.

Lisa Hepfner Retweeted
Sam Pazzano ‏@SamPazzano 8m8 minutes ago
To her credit, Sharlene Bosma stared right back at Millard. She was a courageous, honest witness whose testimony evoked laughter and tears.

Tweets from yesterday, hadn't seen these.

Catching up on today's testimony.

She must be made of steel. To stare evil in the face like that. Him - well, like most psychopath's he's got his nerve. In full view of everyone too.

No words

 

[matou]

From the Hamilton Spectator, slides with fingerprint analysis info and evidence slides near the end: http://www.scribd.com/doc/297670563/Bosma-expert-witness

 

[matou]

slide 40

http://www.scribd.com/doc/297670563/Bosma-expert-witness

 

[musicaljoke]

Halton Police photo, truck seized from Kleinburg, May 15/13, 2:17 pm, Halton Police I.D. LM3-4188. PowerPoint No. 7 (Slide 12, Image 9) from CD Exhibit 2, Bosma murder trial Day 1, Feb. 1, 2016.

http://media.zuza.com/8/4/84871b1b-....1_20160202174527_000_GHC1KF5IQ.2_Gallery.jpg

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6257741-two-men-shot-bosma-in-his-truck-crown-tells-trial/

Is the trailer hitch still attached? It's a bit hard to tell from that angle.

 

[Wondergirl]

Lisa Hepfner Retweeted
Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 4m4 minutes ago
Millard glances over at Smich in the courtroom and smiles. Smich keeps his eyes locked on his lawyer. @CHCHNews

WTF is up with the excessive smiling by Millard on Day 2? Does his lawyer not have a pulse on the toe curdling this behaviour is causing the majority of observers, and in all likelihood, the jurors?

The SOB is accused of a heinous crime. Guilty or innocent - who is stupid enough to be continually SMILING and by many accounts, GRINNING, like it's all no big deal? Blah

 

[matou]

Is the trailer hitch still attached? It's a bit hard to tell from that angle.

I don't think it is but not sure.

 

[Wondergirl]

My point was/is that we have no actual idea of what his smile was like. If we are going by tweets, all are subject to interpretation. My interpretation of courtroom laughter is valid, just as someone elses interpretation of DM's smile is valid. It doesn't mean either interpretation is correct. HTH. I don't know SB, so I can't comment on what she is or isn't. I am simply trying to follow the case with what information is provided. I don't see how an accused smiling at his family/friends is a bad thing. If he was crying or staring into space I think he would still be getting negative reports. JMO IMHO

I don't agree with that. If the jury is weighing all the evidence, that they are tasked to do, and they are to determine guilt or innocence based upon reasonable doubt, Millard continuing to come across as completely insensensitve and disresectful to the enormity of his situation, may end up working against him in the big picture.

In my opinion, after only one day in the courtroom, Smich has been benefitting from Millards charade.

Millard's behaviour is not normal. The jurors are presumably average, everyday people. If the behaviour continues, it will not likely help his case, if there is a fine line between guilt and innocence. I don't think there will be a fine line.

I think this case is just like the case against the child killer Michael Rafferty. The Crown has a slam dunk case.

JMO IMHO

 

[Wondergirl]

Is the trailer hitch still attached? It's a bit hard to tell from that angle.

No. There is no ball.

 

[Kamille]

Those pictures of the truck really hit home. No wonder the family was crying when they saw them.

I assume the pictures were taken after LE had ripped it apart for evidence?

I wonder if we'll get pictures of what it looked like in the trailer?


MOO

 

[hopingforjustice]

Regarding the employee who took photos of TB's truck/VIN at the hangar and called Crimestoppers, per the Crown's opening statement, Brantford police acted on the tip. Could that be a clue as to the identity of the employee? (SS lived in Brantford)

Having never called myself, is there an option to reveal your identity if you so choose?



ETA: I'm wondering if this is the same "mechanic/employee" who was asked by DM to remove the decals and other identifiers from the truck in preparation for the paint makeover. It would explain why DM didn't try to hide the truck... he was either counting on the employee not having heard about Tim Bosma, or not caring.

Can't remember how it all came about anymore, but many (about 20) years ago my ex-husband called Crimestoppers due to serious drug activity in the house across the street from us. He must have been able to leave his info because we were contacted by detectives and they ended up using the window in our front room for surveillance.

 

[hopingforjustice]

There is also information re: seats in the Crown's opening statement I linked above. All that was left of the seats was the metal frame work. IMO I think they burnt the seats in the incinerator. If a human body could fit, so could seats. Much more convenient. Otherwise they would have had to make a bonfire on the farmland, which could have attracted passer-bys or neighbours' attention. I suspect the last thing they wanted to do was attract attention to the farmland. The fact that the metal frame work from the seats were found in the trailer with TB's truck and not found out on the farmland properties leads me to believe the seats were incinerated.

What some believed to be scorch marks in the field at the farmland, I suspect they were the ashes of TB and remnants of the truck seats, where the incinerator was emptied out by the perps. When the incinerator was examined by the forensic examiner, there were only bone fragments in the bottom. I suggest where the green tent was set up nearby, the day the incinerator was discovered, contains the incinerator. If you recall, in pictures/videos, it appears forensics were sifting. They are searching for bone fragments. The area amongst the trees where there appears to be a tarp covering something, I wonder if it's could be just a piece of machinery. JMO.

If I recall from my personal memory the incinerator was in the trees. This is also mentioned in the opening statements

Millard’s girlfriend – who has been charged with accessory after the fact in relation to the case and will be tried separately – will testify that she helped him move the incinerator to a stand of trees on his farm near Waterloo, Ont., the Crown lawyer said.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2489224/t...ccused-killers-of-hamilton-man-begins-monday/

 

[MsSherlock]

slide 40

http://www.scribd.com/doc/297670563/Bosma-expert-witness

It is disturbing to think that this was the truck that TB was excited to take out on a test drive with DM & MS- the same truck that he spent time cleaning and prepping for the showing that would take his life. I notice that the rear view mirror looks like it's been busted off its arm. Maybe that's why there was still a print on it- looks like it's just dangling there. They didn't mention any other prints on the truck today, so I guess there's a possibility that the truck got wiped down after the crime and that one little telltale print got left behind. MS may owe DM a thank you note for that one lol Also, I wonder what the elastic band ring on DM's finger is all about? Maybe a reminder to check the rear view mirror? MOO

 

[matou]

Probably the black elastic is the little tie for the braid that he had.

 

[hopingforjustice]

Would both TB and the car seat both fit at the same time? Otherwise, they would need to wait for the incinerator to cool down a bit before putting something else in. Also the frame of the seats were found with the truck in the trailer.

If they used Tim's truck to transport the incinerator back to the farm, then the seats could not have been burned until they got to the farm. They could not have driven the truck with no seats as pictured in the post above. JMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Millard's behaviour is not normal.

Is it at all possible his attorney is encouraging this behavior?