Bosma Murder Trial 02.18.16 - Day 11

[redwing7225]

"On Tuesday, Hamilton police Sgt. Matt Kavanagh said, ""We're dealing with one set of human remains.""

Maybe over analyzing wording but Hamilton police saying "We are dealing with..."
Possibly Toronto dealing with the remainder of the findings?
Or would he have said "investigation complete, one set of remains found"?

 

[MsSherlock]

According to my notes, the Distillery District condo that closed that week was paid for in cash... $627,000. So it doesn't sound like cash was an issue for DM at that time.

It was disclosed a long time ago that DM purchased the Distillery condo on pre sale in 2012, prior to WM's death. Pre construction sales usually require a predetermined down payment from the purchaser at the time of purchase.(set by the builder/developer) often a step payment structure equalling 20% of the purchase price. (i.e. 10% on purchase, additional 10% in 60 days) However, in early November, DM met with AS, who was overseeing the hangar contracts, questioning the viability of the hangar operations and informing him that family coffers were running dry.

It was said that WM had not only invested millions in the hangar, but that he had also had to borrow a substantial amount to complete it. In 2012, the house on Derry Rd that WM & DM had inherited from CM closed for $795K and another property in Oakville that DM appears to have had an interest in also closed for $783K- however, there's no way to know if this money was needed for the hangar or how it was split between the parties on title.

The finances around Millardair and Millard Properties may have been greatly jeopardized by WM's untimely death. Within the week after WM's death, DM had fired everyone at Millardair. In Feb/13, DM cancelled the MRO license that WM had just obtained in November/12. So, IMO, by the time April/13 rolled around, DM may have have had to figure out a way to pay for the condo. We don't know if it closed on time, or if DM had to extend the closing. IMO we cannot make the assumption that just because he closed a condo deal that he committed to a year prior, that he was rolling in the dough.He may have used a line of credit from Millardair for all we know and when he was arrested he did have a temp RBC bank card for Millardair. IMHO, what's more telling is the speed at which all of his properties were liquidated after his arrest. It would not surprise me if DM was very cash poor at the time of his arrest. MOO

 

[Claroon]

I'm unclear as I thought I read they were "firing up" the incinerator at the hangar. Today farmer reported seeing 10 ft high stream of smoke at the farm. A stream sounds like from a chimney. So where did the burn take place?

 

[Sillybilly]

Thinking about the invoice for the incinerator. Just because SS's name was on it doesn't mean it was really him placing the order. After all, DM seems to be the one who allegedly used a different name when buying the burner phone and arranging truck viewings.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I'm unclear as I thought I read they were "firing up" the incinerator at the hangar. Today farmer reported seeing 10 ft high stream of smoke at the farm. A stream sounds like from a chimney. So where did the burn take place?

I got the sense they were implying the smoke was from the car seats which were burned out in the open with an accelerant.

 

[Claroon]

I also would think there would be a lot of questions from hangar employees about what the purpose of the incinerator was going to be - to any who may have seen it, especially the person who actually placed the order if that person was other than DM himself. Seems very premeditated.

 

[ArianeEmory]

And also keep in mind they had to go pick up the incinerator from the farm. So if it was meant for hangar use, it doesn't seem it was kept there.

 

[MsSherlock]

It's hard to believe that they've just finished up the 3rd week. I'm surprised at the Defence, but I guess there's really nothing to defend at this point. It's almost as if it's simply a narrative of what DM & MS did before, during and after. Exactly when will the Defence start with their defence, or are they just hoping that the Jury will be left with one ounce of reasonable doubt? Up until this point, they just seem to be clarifying things. MOO

 

[Claroon]

I hope the jury waves goodbye to him forever, if and when he is on his way to prison. JMO

It is a very convincing case so far. DM probabl/possibly shocked at all the detail.

 

[RandomName479]

I'm unclear as I thought I read they were "firing up" the incinerator at the hangar. Today farmer reported seeing 10 ft high stream of smoke at the farm. A stream sounds like from a chimney. So where did the burn take place?

My understanding from the Crown's opening and the testimony to date is that the Eliminator was "fired up" at the hangar the night/early am on the night TB dissapeared and then it was moved back to Ayr at some point (not sure we have the date of this yet) and then moved to the location at which it was found with the help of CN on late May 9/ early May 10.

The fire/black smoke IMO was due to a fire in the corn field (evidenced by the scorched areas) where the seats were likely burnt with the help of an accelerant. (evidence of burnt seatbelts found in scorched area and accelerant smell) MOO

 

[Claroon]

And also keep in mind they had to go pick up the incinerator from the farm. So if it was meant for hangar use, it doesn't seem it was kept there.

I have seen no evidence that the incinerator was picked up from the farm. My understanding was they saw DM & MS on surveillance cameras with the incinerator at the hangar.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I'm sort of blown away at how many hours and how many people go into collecting the evidence that gets boiled down into a few hours' worth of testimony. LE was at the farm for days, working intensively, and all of that is summarized in hours.

 

[RandomName479]

I have seen no evidence that the incinerator was picked up from the farm. My understanding was they saw DM & MS on surveillance cameras with the incinerator at the hangar.

Refer to the Crown's OS......they have a video of TB's truck towing the eliminator to the hangar....and from DM's phone pings it shows he stopped at the farm before going to the hangar....

 

[ADAWG]

I have seen no evidence that the incinerator was picked up from the farm. My understanding was they saw DM & MS on surveillance cameras with the incinerator at the hangar.

They said they pulled the eliminator to the hangar with Tim's truck. Which they have been n video and them firing it up. As well as video of them inside the hangar at that time


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[Sillybilly]

It's hard to believe that they've just finished up the 3rd week. I'm surprised at the Defence, but I guess there's really nothing to defend at this point. It's almost as if it's simply a narrative of what DM & MS did before, during and after. Exactly when will the Defence start with their defence, or are they just hoping that the Jury will be left with one ounce of reasonable doubt? Up until this point, they just seem to be clarifying things. MOO

The defence will get their turn when the Crown rests their case.

 

[flipflop]

It is a very convincing case so far. DM probabl/possibly shocked at all the detail.

IMO The city boy (DM) would be shocked at how many eyes were in and around the farm.

 

[Susanne]

I believe there were several reports regarding the mystery of the remains of LB if my memory is correct: Here is one report

The (Ontario) provincial coroner’s office has never handled the remains of Laura Babcock.


Police have kept whether her body has been recovered secret from her family.

However, the province’s coroner investigates any death by suspected homicide and would be involved if Babcock’s remains were found in the province.


http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...a_babcocks_body_not_recovered_in_ontario.html

So perhaps her remains were found elsewhere outside of Ontario? JMHO

Sorry if any posting errors - I am a total Newbie.

 

[MsSherlock]

Thinking about the invoice for the incinerator. Just because SS's name was on it doesn't mean it was really him placing the order. After all, DM seems to be the one who allegedly used a different name when buying the burner phone and arranging truck viewings.

Considering how the conversation went with the rep when it was purchased, I'm thinking you may be right. Unless of course SS had info that DM was going to be taking up farming and move quickly to be the worse farmer ever! Now that I think about it, having an extensive dairy farm background myself, I can't even imagine a year when we would have more than a few dead farm animals to dispose of. A cow struck by lightening, a dead calf, an old animal- it's not unusual for livestock to end up dead but it's usually at the hands of the butcher.

"The Ontario buyer said he wanted to dispose of dead farm animals.

When the man placed an order for a portable livestock incinerator last summer, he asked all the usual questions about the device’s size and fuel source. Soon after, the unit was shipped for about $15,000."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rge-in-mysterious-bosma-case/article12757899/

 

[Kamille]

And also keep in mind they had to go pick up the incinerator from the farm. So if it was meant for hangar use, it doesn't seem it was kept there.

Sounds like it was kept in the barn since none of today's witnesses had ever seen it before.

MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

IMO The city boy (DM) would be shocked at how many eyes were in and around the farm.

And I think the D may be surprised at the exactness and clarity. They didn't even question any of the witnesses today on how they could be so certain of the timing of what they saw. This isn't the first time DM & MS have been snagged by country folk. IIRC, the guy who saw the truck & suv come out of his fathers driveway was able to narrow it down to a 10 minute time period because of his daily routine. MOO