Bosma Murder Trial 02.24.16 - Day 14

[JPC]

I wonder if a certain amount of community outrage re: SS is going to start to build?

Do we know that DM wasn't using a bogus email address with SS info? If he went so far to get burner phones, nothing would surprise me. He could easily make calls and send emails to vendors and use that name.

 

[Velma]

He surveilled Smich for 5 or 6 days in May, beginning on the 14th, Oxley says.
by Adam Carter 12:18 PM

Smich was arrested on May 22.
by Adam Carter 12:18 PM

Reports are written about an arrest on the day of, Oxley says.
by Adam Carter 12:20 PM

 

[Abitcountry]

I wonder if a certain amount of community outrage re: SS is going to start to build?

Am certain that 'sweetheart deal' has come to mind for more than just a few people living in Ontario. (For those who do not know the phrase, think back to the Bernardo trial and the deal that Karla got).....Freudian slip, wrote trail for trial

 

[Kamille]

We're finally going to hear some testimony about MS. I bet Dungey is firing up all cyclinders.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

Do we know that DM wasn't using a bogus email address with SS info? If he went so far to get burner phones, nothing would surprise me. He could easily make calls and send emails to vendors and use that name.

I'd say it's more a case of DM "delegating" to SS. So I think that SS was doing all of his own calling and emailing on behalf of "the boss".

MOO

 

[redwing7225]

can anyone think of why the email address might be AMDSHANER?

Did a quick search, comes up with many forums, someone with that handle selling (or has sold) vehicles, remote control helicopter for sale, dirt bike.
Lists "AMDSHANER" as a mechanic in one of the sites. A quick Google search will take u there

 

[puppyraiser]

Am certain that 'sweetheart deal' has come to mind for more than just a few people living in Ontario. (For those who do not know the phrase, think back to the Bernardo trail and the deal that Karla got).

I hope they didn't offer a sweetheart deal in this case. SS apparently knew they were going to steal a truck. A black truck appears in the hangar, he orders parts to sand down and remove windshield... and he knew the owner of the truck was missing. Plus his FIL told him it was Bosma's truck.

 

[Velma]

Justice Goodman cautions the jury that the fact that a person is arrested "has nothing to do with your decision in this case. It is not a piece of evidence for you to consider in making your decision."
by Adam Carter 12:22 PM

Oxley has been a police officer since 1988.
by Adam Carter 12:22 PM

 

[Arnie M]

I wonder if a certain amount of community outrage re: SS is going to start to build?

He is in it up to his eyeballs if he ordered a Windshield removal tool .... it is required for switching the VIN (serial number on upper dash) .... and that is only done on stolen vehicles ..... but he will get off .... somebody has been singing from day one and it must be SS. I think we will see him as a witness for the prosecution. That is where the LB info will likely originate too.

 

[Bsafe]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 34s35 seconds ago
Cross by Ravin Pillay, representing Dellen Millard. Suggests he's relying heavily on his notes: time, who was at briefing, etc...#Bosma

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Pillay asking if Stoltz knows he's required to keep detailed, accurate, complete notes in a timely manner. Stoltz says yes. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 59s60 seconds ago
Pillay: "Your notes shouldn't be influenced by subsequent events?" Stoltz: "Right." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17s17 seconds ago
Received training in proper note taking.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Notes can play a role in decisions made during investigation? Yes. And in prosecution? Yes. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Can use notes to prepare search warrants, make a judicial application. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Notes disclosed to defence before trial. "Your notes are critical to your credibility when you testify."

Good Lord, does he think the police officer is on trial??

 

[Kamille]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
Next up: Stuart Oxley.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
Sgt. testified earlier in trial related to arrest of Millard. Now testifying about Smich arrest. With @HamiltonPolice surveillance unit.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 5m5 minutes ago
"We do our best not to be detected." Had Smich under surveillance for 5 or 6 day starting May 14 to 18, then again May 21. Arrest May 22.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
Prepare report at end of day and debrief every day.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
That May, Don Sauve was report taker for the unit.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Justice Goodman instructing jury that fact person is charged and arrested is not to help them consider guilt of the accused. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Cop since 1988. Sgt. For 7-8 years. May 7, 9:24 pm got call from SS Matt Kavanagh, homicide unit. Asked to put Smich under surveillance.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Justice Goodman cautions the jury that the fact that a person is arrested "has nothing to do with your decision in this case. It is not a piece of evidence for you to consider in making your decision."
by Adam Carter 12:22 PM

Oxley has been a police officer since 1988.
by Adam Carter 12:22 PM

I don't quite understand that. Can someone explain how someone (who is now charged with murder), being arrested has nothing to do with the jury's decision?

 

[Kamille]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Smich born Aug. 13, 1987, 5 foot 9, 150 lbs., blue eyes, 1081 Montrose Abby, Oakville. Also 30 Spears, apt. Of his girlfriend.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Looking at him in connection to #Bosma disappearance. 7:03 am May 8 started surveillance on target. Continued to 9:55 pm.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 35s36 seconds ago
Vice and drugs took over for the night.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 51s51 seconds ago
Sorry. Surveillance began May 14. Wrong in earlier tweet.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 58s58 seconds ago
Seeing photo of Smich and Marlena Menendes. Surveillance photo. Officer identifies Smich in courtroom. Photo taken May 14.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I don't quite understand that. Can someone explain how someone (who is now charged with murder), being arrested has nothing to do with the jury's decision?

I think they just mean "arrested does not equal guilty". The imagery and descriptions of the mechanics of being arrested shouldn't factor in.

 

[Velma]

Fraser now asking about May 14, 2013. The objective on that date was to locate Mark Smich and see where he was living, and the police had two addresses where he might be living in Oakville.
by Adam Carter 12:25 PM

He was surveilled 24/7 by police, Oxley says.
by Adam Carter 12:27 PM

Court now seeing a surveillance photo of Smich and his girlfriend.
by Adam Carter 12:28 PM

 

[ArianeEmory]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Smich born Aug. 13, 1987, 5 foot 9, 150 lbs., blue eyes, 1081 Montrose Abby, Oakville. Also 30 Spears, apt. Of his girlfriend.

Hmm, so he's not THAT short (as a trialgoer described). Maybe he's got bad posture.

 

[Kamille]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 49s50 seconds ago
Spears Road apt. 1106 for Melena Meneses. May 14 Smich came and went from that address and the other.

molly hayesVerified account ‏@mollyhayes 4m4 minutes ago
Court is seeing a photo taken of Smich in a park, arm around gf Marlena Meneses, taken by surveillance officer May 14, 2013. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 53s53 seconds ago
May 15 team was to attain DNA discard. Soda can, water bottle, cigarette butt...

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 47s47 seconds ago
Det. Const. George Higgins got Smich cigarette butt. Picked up with gloves on, kept in his possession then given to forensic ident.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Seized from Kerr Street, Oakville, near train tracks, about noon....Left Spears in morning to walk dog alone.

 

[sab_bri]

If they were tailing him, maybe they seen where he hid the gun? Need to go back and check the date and time that he is said to text MM that he buried it in the forest. Does anyone have that info handy?

 

[Velma]

On May 14, Smich was coming and going from two addresses in Oakville -- one was his girlfriend's apartment.
by Adam Carter 12:30 PM

The next day, police were tailing Smich and looking for a "DNA discard" from a soda can or cigarette butt.
by Adam Carter 12:31 PM

Police did get a cigarette butt Smich had smoked.
by Adam Carter 12:31 PM

The Butt was seized near some train tracks in Oakville around noon.
by Adam Carter 12:32 PM

 

[Abitcountry]

He is in it up to his eyeballs if he ordered a Windshield removal tool .... it is required for switching the VIN (serial number on upper dash) .... and that is only done on stolen vehicles ..... but he will get off .... somebody has been singing from day one and it must be SS. I think we will see him as a witness for the prosecution. That is where the LB info will likely originate too.

There is a line that I read sometime back....police don't usually arrest cooperating witnesses. It comes to mind each and ever time I think on the topic of SS. There is plenty to suggest that he is indeed "up to the eyeballs' in the merde (oh didn't I mention it---I picked up a little French along the way too)