Bosma Murder Trial 03.30.16 - Day 27

[SnooperDuper]

Just a little lighthearted loveliness which shows us why we love the Bosmas and are proud to be a part of their army of friends.

http://m.thespec.com/news-story/641...a-not-so-sweet-reminds-us-of-joy-amid-tragedy

I loved the licorice chatter on Twitter today...it added a bit of levity to the day.

 

[MsSherlock]

This whole hose thing is baffling to say the least. I am hoping we get more info than we did with the man purse. There was a lot of focus on that and really not much came of it


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IMO, we'll hear more about DM's satchel and the water hose. May be brought up in relation to other peoples testimony or perhaps LE have info but chances are they haven't been forgotten. MOO

 

[Gibson67]

They must have found something on the hose if they marked exhibits?

 

[Elisabeth]

I'm pretty sure that "expense paid trip to Mexico" wasn't a holiday. They went to get a vehicle for DM.

Google says New Mexico to Toronto is 52 hours round trip. I didn't check the assumed speed limit, city in New Mexico etc. It was New Mexico right?

So for a 21 day trip i am going to bump that down to 15 working days -yes i am giving them the weekends off - that is about ? 4 hours per day in the truck?

 

[MsSherlock]

This is the part I don't quite understand. How could it be that DM or MB's would not reimburse JV for the money he spent doing the reno's on the properties that have since been sold. They could have paid him when the deals closed. I don't know if we heard how much money in materials he didn't get reimbursed for or how many hours of pay he didn't get paid, but not paying him after the fact just isn't right, especially when Millards/Burns benefited from the work and materials he put into the properties.

A cheque in the mail would have been a kind gesture. When LW2 was questioned by Dungey about receiving her payment, she replied that she deserved it, so it's obvious that MB's recognized that and made sure she got paid. I'm a bit surprised that a person like JV, who had been so loyal to them for several years wasn't given the same respect. Did JV have to forfeit the truck or I wonder if MB's honoured the lease? At $22/hour, 20K represents almost half a year pay for JV. I'm hoping that JV took DM to smalls claim court to get his money back. MOO

"Villada's financial disagreements with Millard — he says he is owed upwards of $20,000 for expenses and wages by his old boss — were a focus for both sides of the defense Wednesday."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...ard-owed-employee-upwards-of-20k-court-hears/

 

[Stratocaster]

Any speculation on anything significant in the search warrant executed at MS mother's house? IIRC the iPad seized, allegedly belonged to LB (boyfriend's) Curious about a few cell phones found in a garbage bag in the living room. And of course, the yellow tool box.

 

[napper505]

I am surprised that the "Crown" has not exploited some of the details regarding the "eliminator" video from the farm.

When Compared to the May 7 Video from the oakville pickup @ 8:00 am. It is pretty obvious this is the best video evidence they have. Why can't any one else see this evidence.

Clue "PINTLE" & "PINTLE LOCK"


Image Three of the DM surveillance vid shows the LE were looking as well.

Was it not found? It Should have had some DNA/ blood on it as well from TB's Truck.

Yet they show a video from Brantford May 6 that shows two unknown vehicles stopped at the side of the road in the dark.. Time line I guess is the key for the LE.


Napper505
birding helps with attention to detail
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[Alethea Dice]

Any speculation on anything significant in the search warrant executed at MS mother's house? IIRC the iPad seized, allegedly belonged to LB (boyfriend's) Curious about a few cell phones found in a garbage bag in the living room. And of course, the yellow tool box.

Do you have a link where it was reported that LE allege this is the iPad that belonged to LB? I thought that was just people here speculating. TIA

 

[Alethea Dice]

what's really upsetting me about this trial is SO FAR and I really hope things change...they have focused so much on DM that Smich might just get off or get a lesser sentence. Unless in the next few weeks they come up with some things to hit home with the jury, the jury might only focus on DM. Smich needs to be locked up too and I think the crown has done a poor job in showing he was just as much involved in this as DM.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...a-overshadowed-at-own-trial-by-dellen-millard

A couple of things that I picked up on from today's testimony:

1. MS doesn't always take orders and basically just does what he wants.
2. For a guy with no phone in his own name, he sure has a lot of throw-a-ways.

Might not be much, but I'll hope it's at least a start.

JMO

 

[swedie]

The Crown is going to present evidence regarding that hose. DM's defense is using JV to counteract that evidence before it is even given. This is how they get their "client's story" about certain evidence to the jury without having to put their client up there to tell it. This is the first I've seen that DM may not be taking the stand IMO. It may have been happening all along with the cross but it appears that we don't get much information from them.

MOO

Haven't caught up yet, I'm way, way back in the single digit pages. What I'm seeing from DM's defense is a tactic to try and show the jurors DM as an honest, nice, generous, trustworthy guy, who did such an honour to JV and his family by giving them employment and perks. But in reality he's the farthest thing from it in regards to CRA. DM once again showed his dumb/intelligent side. Oh speaking of intelligent, DP was the only person IIRC who labelled DM as such. I think conniving and/or sly would be more fitting, an excellent replacement for intelligent IMHO.

Anyhow, DM didn't put JV on MA's books because he knew it would go over like a lead balloon hiring someone to work on your personal properties but pay them through the company. Starting Vallada Homes was one of DM's conniving ways of getting around this. DM knew should CRA eventually come snooping around, DM was ready to claim JV was self employed and DM hired him off and on. I don't recall if it's been mentioned yet, were cheques wrote to JV those from MA, VH or DM's personal bank account? Writing the odd cheque to JV on the MA account, DM could pull that off here and there saying JV had done construction at the hangar or for the business on some level. If DM, was paying him through VH, that's a tax write off when hiring a self employed person to do renovations on your rental properties. And the fact DM was leasing the red Dodge to JV also makes it appear JV is self employed and a write off to DM. DM was quite the master planner, conniving, frugal guy in more ways than one. MOO.

 

[swedie]

Am I the only one who finds it in extremely poor taste for Sachak to be attempting to joke around?

He's entertaining his client, giving him a bang for his buck. I have to agree....very poor taste. This is a murder trial with the victim's loved ones sitting in the gallery. MOO.

 

[canadiangirl]

I think one of the most important things that anyone who is attending this trial can do is make sure that they link to an MSM article before they post any information. There's so much information from the sessions when the Jury isn't there, IMO, anyone posting stands a risk of having HPS at your doorstep for posting info covered with the pub ban- just like the Facebook guy. Protect everyone- Link please!! If you can't find an MSM link- don't share. MOO

Facebook guy?

 

[swedie]

DM also stopped in Reno when he was bringing back the Camaro from Texas. Does he have a property there? Where did they drop off the bike? Was this another EBike, a motorcycle, a BMX?? What kind of bike and where did they leave it? :waitasec:

That's interesting isn't it? Wonder who DM or SS knew in Reno? Or did DM or SS had it listed online and sold it to someone in Reno? Another stolen motorcycle perhaps? Or maybe it had the missing parts on it from MM's HD?

Why do I keep speculating there were, or will be many more charges against others in this case? :thinking: MOO.

 

[MsSherlock]

Haven't caught up yet, I'm way, way back in the single digit pages. What I'm seeing from DM's defense is a tactic to try and show the jurors DM as an honest, nice, generous, trustworthy guy, who did such an honour to JV and his family by giving them employment and perks. But in reality he's the farthest thing from it in regards to CRA. DM once again showed his dumb/intelligent side. Oh speaking of intelligent, DP was the only person IIRC who labelled DM as such. I think conniving and/or sly would be more fitting, an excellent replacement for intelligent IMHO.

Anyhow, DM didn't put JV on MA's books because he knew it would go over like a lead balloon hiring someone to work on your personal properties but pay them through the company. Starting Vallada Homes was one of DM's conniving ways of getting around this. DM knew should CRA eventually come snooping around, DM was ready to claim JV was self employed and DM hired him off and on. I don't recall if it's been mentioned yet, were cheques wrote to JV those from MA, VH or DM's personal bank account? Writing the odd cheque to JV on the MA account, DM could pull that off here and there saying JV had done construction at the hangar or for the business on some level. If DM, was paying him through VH, that's a tax write off when hiring a self employed person to do renovations on your rental properties. And the fact DM was leasing the red Dodge to JV also makes it appear JV is self employed and a write off to DM. DM was quite the master planner, conniving, frugal guy in more ways than one. MOO.

In concern to JV being on the payroll, Sachak made it sound as though JV was on the Millardair payroll, a favour by DM so that JV could have deductions taken off at source, however, LW1 testified that there were 14 people on the payroll when WM died and all of them got let go except for SS. If JV had in fact been on the payroll, certainly LW1 would have mentioned it, would she not? JV even said he got a T4 for 2012, so the options are: JV was one of the people who got let go, LW1 was incorrect or MB had a T4 issued for 2012 after DM was arrested. MOO

http://www.24news.ca/the-news/canad...buy-bosmas-truck-with-125k-salary-trial-hears

 

[canadiangirl]

[h=1]Tim Bosma Murder Trial: The Mystery of the 10-hour Backyard Watering | EXHIBIT #116, #118 and #119[/h]
[video=youtube;fHIqXum-2js]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHIqXum-2js&list=UUnsj4TU7mOQ-4l2HOaRekgA&index=1[/video]

The music used makes it so creepy. Who puts this together?

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

[h=1]Tim Bosma Murder Trial: The Mystery of the 10-hour Backyard Watering | EXHIBIT #116, #118 and #119[/h]
[video=youtube;fHIqXum-2js]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHIqXum-2js&list=UUnsj4TU7mOQ-4l2HOaRekgA&index=1[/video]

Really unrelated, but Riverside Drive (210) was also the final home of Lucy Maude Montgomery, from 1934 until her death in 1942. After she left PEI, she relocated to Toronto. Too bad a street associated with a Canadian legend is tarnished by <modsnip> DM.

As an FYI only.

 

[swedie]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 39s40 seconds ago
These had nothing to do w Millardair--personal biz for Millard, Dungey says. V agrees: "I suppose so." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont &#8207;@susanclairmont 14s15 seconds ago
That trip for the dune buggy had nothing to do with Millardair, says Dungey, who suggests other VISA was for Millardair.

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 8s9 seconds ago
V worked at many properties for Millard. Farm, hangar, distillery district condo, Maplegate, riverside... #Bosma

Colin Butler &#8207;@ColinButlerCBC 12s13 seconds ago
Villada agrees that many of the things he did at work were for Millard's personal lifestyle, under his direction

Yes, all this goes to show is that DM was screwing CRA and JV at the same time. DM's defense is trying to pull this all off as if JV was self employed. And what really does all this have to do with the murder of TB? DM's defense is only helping the Crown's case by pointing out DM is crooked in more ways than one. They are digging DM's grave hahahaha.

Indicators showing that the worker is an employee
&#9632; The relationship is one of subordination. The payer will
often direct, scrutinize, and effectively control many
elements of how and when the work is carried out.
&#9632; The payer controls the worker with respect to both the
results of the work and the method used to do the work.
&#9632; The payer chooses and controls the method and amount
of pay. Salary negotiations may still take place in an
employer-employee relationship.
&#9632; The worker requires permission to work for other payers
while working for this payer.
&#9632; Where the schedule is irregular, priority on the worker’s
time is an indication of control over the worker.
&#9632; The payer decides what jobs the worker will do.
&#9632; The worker receives training or direction from the payer
on how to do the work. The overall work environment
between the worker and the payer is one of
subordination.
&#9632; The payer chooses to listen to the worker’s suggestions
but has the final word.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/rc4110/rc4110-15e.pdf

 

[swedie]

Wow! Nice arrangement, my ! Allowing JV to live in an apartment at a reduced rate because he was working on it is the equivalent of allowing a sweat shop worker to take their sewing machine home so they can keep working...oh...and charging them a reduced fee for the machine rental. MOO

:silly: Funny but not funny kwim. Great analogy I must say.
MOO.

 

[swedie]

I have no idea how or where it fits in. I'm also not making any kind of innuendo personally, because the whole "let the hoses run all day" makes no sense to me at all unless he wanted soft ground for some reason.

Running water for many hours...making the ground easier to dig....digging a hole for hiding evidence in? MOO.

 

[swedie]

DM wanted the ground flooded that day. He told JV to let the water run ALL day. It doesn't take ALL day to see where water is going to pool so I don't believe that excuse at all. I really want to know why he wanted that specific area completely flooded. So far it doesn't line up with ANYTHING else he was doing, or involved in.

I really don't want to have tunnel vision but the truth is, I've done the same thing. Flooded a particular area of my yard the day before I was going to dig to put in a pre-fab pond form. I wanted the dirt easy to dig up, and it worked like a charm. Just like weeding by hand is a thousand times easier after it's rained because the dirt is very pliable instead of packed in.

I wonder how big this shed was at the back of the Riverside property? Would it be large enough to hide the incinerator in and/or a Dodge truck? Was it too large to move or was it more of a garage type structure? JV said a deck couldn't be built there because of "the shed." That to me sounded unreasonable IMO if it was your "typical" shed. People have been known to move sheds from one location to another on their properties.

Was DM's original plan to bring the incinerator to the Riverside property where there was a secluded/private backyard with high fences and no cameras? He knew there were cameras at the hangar and likely at the airport as well. Was the hose purchased that day because DM knew he was going to need it to wash a stolen Dodge if everything went according to plan? Did he want the ground nice and soggy where he was planning on washing the truck and then igniting the incinerator? Who else lived at Riverside who may have noticed strange going ons in the back?Perhaps DM had an excuse all planned out in case....he was burning tenants garbage? There's got to be a logical explanation for the water running for so long that day. MOO.