Bosma Murder Trial 04.04.16 - Day 29

[Bsafe]

NOW he is his friend. Before DM was "just" his boss. Yet he doesn't question a newly stripped vehicle on the premises because he 'believes him'. Nope, no personal relationship there. IMO MOO

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 23s24 seconds ago
"Why didn't you do your duty and call police?" Dungey asks, his voice raising. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 9s9 seconds ago
Schlatman says he talked to Dell about it Friday. "He said he hadn't done anything wrong. He was my friend, I believed him." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 15s15 seconds ago
"Why don't you do your duty and call police?" Dungey demands. "He was my friend & I believed him," says Schlatman. "everything was a blur."

 

[billandrew]

Ok, one last comparison of the guns, only this time supporting the idea that DM's gun and MS's gun are the same. Two small nicks/markings on the bottom of the handle appear in the same place in both photos:

 

[flipflop]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Schlatman admits he lied to police about the red dodge and only spilled the beans after he was threatened with charges #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Or to get away if he was charged, Dungey says. Pillay objects. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Schlatman changed story when police advised him he could face charges for withholding info in a police investigation #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey asks if Schlatman was protecting Millard. Schlatman disagrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Dell asked Schlatman move red truck out of hangar in case it got locked down. Dungey asked if it was to be getaway vehicle. Pillay objects.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
"Oh yes, the red truck. I do know where it is. He made me move it." Schlatman's police statement

Why wasn't SS charged for withholding info in a police investigation? He knew it was TB's truck and went to work as if nothing was going on

 

[JPC]

NOW he is his friend. Before DM was "just" his boss. Yet he doesn't question a newly stripped vehicle on the premises because he 'believes him'. Nope, no personal relationship there. IMO MOO

Yes, an innocent man went out on a test drive and never came home. His family is pleading in the press for his safe return and his community has mobilized to help find him. SS may not read the news or watch tv but when he did find out the VIN matched the vehicle in his 'Colleagues" possession. He doesn't know if the innocent man is still alive and perhaps being confined or if he is dead but he chooses to give his Boss who is not a close friend but who he is beholden to for his livelihood the benefit of the doubt rather than do the right and ethical thing and alert the authority. SS may be free to go on and live his life but those people who actually read newspapers and watch the news all know a thing or two about his character. It will be tough for him to come back from this in the court of public opinion. If I were his current employer, neighbour or member of the community that he may rely on I would have a pretty good sense of the type of person that he is. It is tough to shake this.

 

[MsSherlock]

"He made me move it":underbusoor SS. He's probably going to get a failing grade from DM's mommy on that one.

 

[Inspector_North]

Why wasn't SS charged for withholding info in a police investigation? He knew it was TB's truck and went to work as if nothing was going on

Once we get through the rest of the crown lineup, I believe we will see the control DM held over his minions. While it may be wearing off with time, the effects are still there. LE were on to it early, and therefore loyal followers like SS are mainly guilty of being a mindless minion to DM's activities.

SS reminds me of Georg Shultz from Hogan's Heroes. Only Shultz had more integrity.


MOO

 

[JPC]

"He made me move it":underbusoor SS. He's probably going to get a failing grade from DM's mommy on that one.

I wonder if he still receives any type of remittance from MA via MB even though he stopped working their in April 2015. I would assume that would likely be disclosed.

 

[HackD]

This is another photo that was recovered, and Plath says a .380 cartridge could be loaded into this magazine.
by Adam Carter 2:49 PM

"I cannot say whether it is an actual functioning firearm," Plath says. It could be an air gun, or modified. She can only say for sure if the gun itself is recovered.
by Adam Carter 2:51 PM

An airgun or replica generally won't have a visible spring in the magazine as pictured, which feeds the cartridges into the path of the slide, which then in turn inserts it into the bore of the barrel ready for firing.

 

[brightii]

Well, SS can now go home and contemplate the mistakes he's made in his life. He's a free man today and for that he should be grateful. Maybe he'll take a look at Dell sitting there, with nothing but a jail cell to look forward to and get a much better understanding of the role that money played in this whole thing. If SS had not been blinded by DM's money and everything it could provide, he may have actually supported AJ and gone to LE on Thursday night. We know now that it wouldn't have changed anything, but what if that wasn't the case? What if TB was being kept hostage in the trailer or something? Would SS have been ok with that as long as he didn't look in the trailer?

I'd suggest that he accepts the fact that he was very wrong about DM and call AJ and try to make amends. Maybe he'll take up reading the news and discover that it wasn't AJ's phone call to CS that brought the heat on DM. They were already closing in on DM. Not only that, they also followed him and DM when they were dropping off the red truck. I think TD was right when he suggested SS lived in a vacuum. Dell's "Stepford Friends" all living in Dell-land?

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
He says he was going to talk to DM but he was in a mtg and then police showed up. "No urgency eh?" Dungey says. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey asks why he didn't think this was urgent and he should talk to Dell? "There's no urgency, eh?" says Dungey.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Schlatman says he made mistakes and he'll make them again. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 26s26 seconds ago
Schlatman:"possible stolen truck." Dungey: "Possible stolen truck of person who is missing...Your loyalty is so great, the hell with Bosma!"

Kudos to MsSherlock for the term: Dell's "Stepford Friends"

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If anyone is wondering if SS will reflect and learn, in his own words above, SS basically is dismissive about the mistakes he's made and expects to make them again. My goodness, one would think he'd know better than to appear so incredibly flippant! SS does not appear to grasp the gravity of the situation, at all, IMO - OR (lol) - perhaps he does and that is his strong motivation to lie in order to protect himself and his fearless leader from having to face any consequences. LE's investigation into stolen items (vehicles/trailers/etc?) at the hangar is ongoing and SS will likely receive more visits in that regard from LE, and possibly charges in future, IMO. Oh dear...

I recall that it was reported and posted here that SS was also interviewed by LE for about 15 minutes on the same day as DM was at the hangar - does anyone else recall this? I don't have a link and don't know how to search old posts - but IIRC, it's curious IMO that no one brought up today in court what SS and LE discussed that day. I believe it was on May 10th.

All MOO.

 

[redheart]

Ok, one last comparison of the guns, only this time supporting the idea that DM's gun and MS's gun are the same. Two small nicks/markings on the bottom of the handle appear in the same place in both photos:

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Wow, great catch!

 

[brightii]

Once we get through the rest of the crown lineup, I believe we will see the control DM held over his minions. While it may be wearing off with time, the effects are still there. LE were on to it early, and therefore loyal followers like SS are mainly guilty of being a mindless minion to DM's activities.

SS reminds me of Georg Shultz from Hogan's Heroes. Only Shultz had more integrity.


MOO

And what I found striking is that SS (almost 3 years later) did not once express any genuine shame or remorse about his own inaction in the situation, IMO, unless I missed it. That cruel omission spoke volumes about his character, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[EspressoBean]

Well not exactly, they were moved to be with each other at one table with two monitors. They are not "with" their lawyers and therefore they cannot discuss anything with their lawyers during open court unless their lawyers ask for a moment to speak with them.

MOO

I had thought they were at that table because there wasn't enough room for the teams of lawyers and the defendants.
Wasn't there a day that DM passed a note to his lawyer during the proceedings or am I imagining things?

 

[HackD]

A brightened and rotated version to try to clarify the "WA" of the Walther symbol near the first fingertip + reference photo:

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In the context of this photo, and evidence - I'm kind of wondering just how expert the witness is.

The Walther PPK is a hand-gun of German origin, designed in the mid-1930's. Movie-buff's will also recognize it as the signature piece of the James Bond 007 character.

It's a small framed hand-gun, designed to be pocketable. Kurz is a German word for Short. In reference to German armaments, it can either refer to the weapon itself, being "short", or snub-nosed .. and to the ammo used itself.. the casing or brass being a shortened version of a regular-sized calibre of ammunition.

Example for ammunition - the K98 Battle rifle used in both WW1 and WW2 used a 7.92 calibre cartridge, in a long rifle-sized casing. The first German sub-machine pistols/assault rifles in WW2 used a shortened case version of the 7.92 calibre cartridge called the Kurz cartridge. In effect, a pistol-sized casing and powder load, with a rifle sized projectile.

All IMHO, egg-headed interest in WW2 armaments personal knowledge applied.

 

[JuneBug67]

Wow, great catch!

Definitely. One you'd like to see offered in court and not just on WS.

 

[napper505]

Millard wanted to modify the Bosma truck, repaint it red, and use it in the Baja race, Schlatman says.
by Adam Carter 11:31 AM

There are three different versions of this question and answer, what was the actual testimony ?

Napper505

 

[brightii]

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...idn-t-call-police-about-ancaster-man-s-truck/

Molly Hayes, Hamilton Spectator's article about SS's testimony today.

All MOO.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 40s40 seconds ago
"That's a pretty posh job, no?" Dungey asks. "Yes sir," Schlatman says. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 16s16 seconds ago
Schlatman agrees with Dungey he had "a pretty posh job" "fixing vehicles and doing oil changes for one customer." #TimBosma

Kind of rich coming from a guy who is probably making around $500/hour and gets to bill for every paper clip he uses.

 

[Ontario Mom]

In Canada, they should be sitting in a prisoner's box. For this trial, it appears that either there wasn't enough room or their lawyers argued for them to be able to sit at a table. Perhaps there is only one monitor in the prisoner's box?

MOO

Still catching up from missing the afternoon but I just wanted to mention, I'm sure if DM asked SS to build a bigger prisoner's box he'd have been happy too, no questions asked.

 

[matou]

I wonder if AJ was in court today to watch his S-I-L?

 

[swedie]

Wow! What a day that was. Each day just gets better than the last. I take it we're all on the same side of the fence now are we? :fence:

Was SS suffering from the sort of blur JodiA suffered from? Oh wait...Jodi had the dreaded fog impairment. The difference between fog and blur is, the fog is where one remembers absolutely nothing about the crime they committed, at the time they are committing it. The fog can last for days, weeks, month, years, perhaps indefinitely. It can be accompanied with bouts of the blur when on the witness stand. Chances are if the fog lifts, it will lift on the criminal's sentencing day, when at that time, the criminal takes one last dig aimed at their victims and the victim's loved ones.

The blur on the other hand, this condition is having selective memory in a court of law even though one takes an oath to tell the truth and nothing but the truth. Typically all one can muster is multiplies of, "I don't remember," deception, outright lies and worse commit perjury. The cause of the blur is brought on during testimony in a criminal trial. The blur happens when one needs to cover their hiney or that of their former friend/employer.

A friendly employer is someone who hires someone into their father's multimillion dollar business, gives them a posh job with generous wages. He then appoints them to help in concealing, altering, fixing or getting rid of stolen goods. At times a really good friend might require their friend to assist in thefts that are carried out over many years. You show appreciation to your friend/employer by trying to deceive the judicial system.
ALL MOO.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5h5 hours ago
Schlatman says his brain was in a blur that day. Says I think so. Dungey says what do you mean you think so. Schlatman says ok I know