Bosma Murder Trial 04.04.16 - Day 29

[Errrr]

I agree with Ontario Mom - it is refreshing but odd to have the defense going after the defense. I don't necessarily agree that the Crown has "so much" evidence against the accused - I still feel it is all very circumstantial... perhaps pitting the defense against each other is their tactic to get those nails in their coffins (so to speak)... I keep waiting for the tweet about one of the defendant's bursting out in confession!

That's how Perry Mason episodes end.

 

[swedie]

SS didn't have a radio in his Caravan, no radio at the hangar that he would listen to? No television at home? Even if you don't watch the news on television, there are many Canadian channels that announce brief top headlines, for the upcoming daily news.

TB and his missing truck was huge news in that area. SS saw no "Missing Person" posters while out and about? How could he have not heard about it? C'mon...I say BS. No doubt in my mind the jurors have read right through all of SS's lies. I hope he's ashamed of himself for lying to the whole world and covering for an alleged serial killer. Sleep well SS. :curses::steamed:

I bet SS is watching his back because you know, those "framers," they are still out there on the loose. SMH. MOO.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8h8 hours ago
Schlatman says he doesn't watch news or listen to radio.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Think of SS as not so much a liar, but a courier for DM's words and excuses. At least we know what DM had to say about things.

 

[Inspector_North]

Tweet of the day award ......

 

[ABro]

Perhaps i quoted the wrong post - the Expert Witness was testifying to the effect that she didn't know/couldn't tell whether the weapon in question was small, medium, or large. She's directly commented on the word "Kurz" as being compared to what the description of a Walther PPK would be, with the photos showing, seemingly without knowing what the significance of "Kurz" means - describing in the German language the type of Weapon it is - short, snub-nosed, small, concealable. The PPK was initially marketed in Germany and abroad as a Woman's pistol - easily gripped with a small hand. It's as if she had photo comparators only, without any background information on the weapon in question.

The Walther PPK is a fairly original design, and very distinct in appearance. There may be many hand-gun configurations, but relatively few that closely resemble this.

To a geek like me, the answers are fairly obvious, and relevant to the weapon shown in the photos... but MO.

She knew exactly what kurz meant and she said what it meant in court.

She's a firearms expert. Why would you even assume she didn't know something so basic?

 

[brightii]

(inews880) Things get heated as the Tim Bosma murder trial resumes

http://www.inews880.com/syn/66/67397/things-get-heated-as-the-tim-bosma-murder-trial-resumes

After TD's intense cross examination of SS today, I wonder if SS now gets the meaning of a heated discussion that he couldn't seem to remember having had with DM?

It's beyond strange, it's unbelievable to me that SS could not recall details about DM's angry words to SS when he told DM that AJ had reported TB's truck to CS, IMO.

Before May 7th SS was apparently never a source of DM's headaches, according to DM's text to SS, and that validation seemed to be important to SS, IMO. SS wanted to remain in DM's good graces at all costs, IMO. SS's perception of DM as "nice rich guy who wouldn't be involved" incredulously remains steadfast today despite DM's angry reaction on May 9th or 10th and despite all the details that have been revealed over these past almost 3 years. IMO, that particular conversation - the heated discussion between SS and DM, as AJ testified - would have stood out in SS's memory for sure. I dare say, IMO, he'll never forget it.

All MOO.

 

[flipflop]

SS didn't have a radio in his Caravan, no radio at the hangar that he would listen to? No television at home? Even if you don't watch the news on television, there are many Canadian channels that announce brief top headlines, for the upcoming daily news.

TB and his missing truck was huge news in that area. SS saw no "Missing Person" posters while out and about? How could he have not heard about it? C'mon...I say BS. No doubt in my mind the jurors have read right through all of SS's lies. I hope he's ashamed of himself for lying to the whole world and covering for an alleged serial killer. Sleep well SS. :curses::steamed:

I bet SS is watching his back because you know, those "framers," they are still out there on the loose. SMH. MOO.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8h8 hours ago
Schlatman says he doesn't watch news or listen to radio.

or he didn't have friends (other than his BFF DM) or not one family member who listened to the news, read a newspaper who would have at least mentioned this case that was hot on the press? In my inner circle, I know TB's disappearance was a hot topic as it hit home to everyone!!!!

 

[Abitcountry]

I have no idea what TD's defense will be for MS, but I think he'll likely try to assert that MS was under threat of death, IMO. Since MS was there, IMO, and saw or even participated in TB's incineration, I think TD might argue that MS was terrified of DM and feared that DM would dispose of him in the same manner if he didn't cooperate and if he ever told the truth about it, IMO.

I'm just speculating as to what possible defense that could help MS and that's the only thing I can come up with. Of course, MS is also charged in the death of LB and since LE say she too was incinerated, it's hard to explain how or why MS would continue any association with DM after that horror that preceded TB's murder, but LB won't be brought up in this trial anyway. So, IMO, TD will either try to assert that MS was not on the TB test drive (unlikely) - OR - (lol) TD will say he was involved but only under duress. IF MS had a drug habit and DM was supplying him with drugs, TD could also argue that type of dependence on DM and a reason MS didn't go to LE with what he knew at the time of TB's murder. If TD were to say any or all of those things in defending MS, it would be somewhat more understandable a defense, IMO, than what we heard from SS today who - unless SS actually knows far more about the murder(s) - had little to no good reason to fear DM and therefore has no excuse for why he did not call LE, IMO.

But truly, I'm just waiting to see what TD has to say in his client's defense. It's only speculation on my part, as more likely, as per the Crown, there is damning evidence to convict MS and I believe it will be coming sooner rather than later, IMO. Until then, I wait....

All MOO.

Well quite honestly, Dungey is not going to be able to present a case that MS is really a Prince Charming who just fell into bad company ....and that company subsequently forced him to commit despicable acts against his will.....And frankly, I don't think that is what is going to happen.
After today's stunning display of righteous anger & moral indignation from TD I rather think he has been forthright and utterly honest with his client Mr Smich since day one. I can only guess that his very first conversation with his client is still permanently etched in MS's brain---just look at the Smich's appearance and self discipline day after day in the courtroom...no waving and no emoting all over the place as he sits side by side with the man who now is an arch enemy. MS has not been that well behaved since his 'First Communion'---- if you get my meaning.
I think there will be a factual and honest acknowledgement of Smich's total involvement ....and ultimately of his verdict and then sentence.....whatever all of that will be.
I am thinking of Greenspan's defense of young Mr. Mezzo recently....no one could erase the horror of what he had caused and no one tried to pretend it was something less than it was. Both lawyer and client faced the situation and its consequences head on as mature and collected adults do.....and I will be pleased to see a similar conclusion in this case at least for Smich. IMO

 

[brightii]

Well quite honestly, Dungey is not going to be able to present a case that MS is really a Prince Charming who just fell into bad company ....and that company subsequently forced him to commit despicable acts against his will.....And frankly, I don't think that is what is going to happen.
After today's stunning display of righteous anger & moral indignation from TD I rather think he has been forthright and utterly honest with his client Mr Smich since day one. I can only guess that his very first conversation with his client is still permanently etched in MS's brain---just look at the Smich's appearance and self discipline day after day in the courtroom...no waving and no emoting all over the place as he sits side by side with the man who now is an arch enemy. MS has not been that well behaved since his 'First Communion'---- if you get my meaning.
I think there will be a factual and honest acknowledgement of Smich's total involvement ....and ultimately of his verdict and then sentence.....whatever all of that will be.
I am thinking of Greenspan's defense of young Mr. Mezzo recently....no one could erase the horror of what he had caused and no one tried to pretend it was something less than it was. Both lawyer and client faced the situation and its consequences head on as mature and collected adults do.....and I will be pleased to see a similar conclusion in this case at least for Smich. IMO

You could very well be right. Soon we will all know.

All MOO.

 

[brightii]

or he didn't have friends (other than his BFF DM) or not one family member who listened to the news, read a newspaper who would have at least mentioned this case that was hot on the press? In my inner circle, I know TB's disappearance was a hot topic as it hit home to everyone!!!!

AJ knew about TB from the news, and AJ did tell SS about TB's truck having been stolen, that the VIN was confirmed by LE as the truck DM had in the hangar, and that TB was missing. That alarming news still did not inspire SS to contact LE. SS chose instead, as per his testimony today, to believe DM when DM told him DM had done nothing wrong. SS said he thought it may have been TB's truck but he didn't think DM had TB or would be involved in his disappearance. Today SS gave a whole new meaning to willful blindness, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[HackD]

She knew exactly what kurz meant and she said what it meant in court.

She's a firearms expert. Why would you even assume she didn't know something so basic?

Care to point out where she directly correlates 'Kurz' with 'Short', and also explain why doesn't know where the weapon falls in relation to small, medium, large?

I don't see it.

What i do see, is her comparing markings between a known RCMP firearms database, with the evidence photos in question. She's comparing - not explaining what the word Kurz means - which in firearms vernacular related to German weapons, means "short, small". She's simply doing a firearms comparison, seemingly without knowing that kurz identifies the size of the weapon. It's not a trade name, in of itself.

Easy there bud.. i've already said IMHO. You are coming off as mighty aggressive in your cross-examination.

 

[ArianeEmory]

side note: does LB have her own thread?! No amount of googling has helped me find one for her. She's just linked to TBs thread.

LB had her own thread for a long time, but I believe everything got locked down a while ago. I don't know specifically why, but I assume it became too time-consuming to moderate.

 

[Errrr]

What I find funny is how DM's defense team is trying to show how loaded he is. When it appears to most outsiders he is using the bargain basement Lionel Hutz type lawyers.

MS - The perceived free loader and never worked is using the far superior lawyer.

This is the second time TD has tore apart Sachak cross rather easily.

When you don't plan to tell your lawyer the truth then you may as well go bargain-basement because they can't do much for you.

 

[flipflop]

AJ knew about TB from the news, and AJ did tell SS about TB's truck having been stolen, that the VIN was confirmed by LE as the truck DM had in the hangar, and that TB was missing. That alarming news still did not inspire SS to contact LE. SS chose instead, as per his testimony today, to believe DM when DM told him DM had done nothing wrong. SS said he thought it may have been TB's truck but he didn't think DM had TB or would be involved in his disappearance. Today SS gave a whole new meaning to willful blindness, IMO.

All MOO.

hahaha, yes I know that, I too have followed since day 1. I was just continuing off of what I quoted. mocking SS's testimony.

 

[iknowhim2]

LB had her own thread for a long time, but I believe everything got locked down a while ago. I don't know specifically why, but I assume it became too time-consuming to moderate.

That's sad for her justice, knowing pre trial is happening already. Rip LB

 

[penelop]

After hearing SS testimony and knowing how much of a sleaze he is, I wonder if this forum may have been too hard on AJ. Maybe he feared for his safety and his family's safety from SS. If he's so willing to turn a blind eye, to lie, etc, who knows what more he could be capable of. Also, the case was all over Facebook, did SS not have an account when things first started coming out? (I feel like I saw one for him at one point)

 

[flipflop]

After hearing SS testimony and knowing how much of a sleaze he is, I wonder if this forum may have been too hard on AJ. Maybe he feared for his safety and his family's safety from SS. If he's so willing to turn a blind eye, to lie, etc, who knows what more he could be capable of. Also, the case was all over Facebook, did SS not have an account when things first started coming out? (I feel like I saw one for him at one point)

Yes SS had facebook, he was also on several mechanic type forums, game forums, fish forums etc. Seemed to be online quite a bit. I still feel AJ should have told CS where the truck was as soon as it was confirmed that the VIN matched. TB was still a missing man, no one but the 2 murderers on trial knew he was already gone.

 

[Just4TB]

Just got caught up... What a day!!! DM starts with smirking... TD wipes the smirk off in a hurry. :rotfl:

SS lies and deception called out by TD - SS collapses like a cheap lawn chair!!
Must be hard to look at himself. Keep that hoodie pulled low, take down the mirrors in the house too.

pic source http://www.chch.com/bosma-day-28/

 

[flipflop]

Wow, from those recent pics of SS, he has lost a lot of weight.
Things must be eating away at him. Karma will be riding him something bad for awhile.

 

[swedie]

I think "jeopardy" would have been a more appropriate tattoo for DM instead of "ambition." His response to one of SS's text DM answered: “Hypothetically, if this is the same one, I’m in a lot of jeopardy: what truck?”

SS said as far as he knows the investigation into the other stolen property is ongoing. Maybe SS doesn't sleep well at night. MOO.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10h10 hours ago
They wanted to know where they came from, right? Dungey asks.
Yes, Schlatman says.
That's still ongoing? D asks.
SS: As far as I know