Bosma Murder Trial 04.04.16 - Day 29

[CJPRINCESS]

I've always suspected SS had nothing to do with that profile, that someone signed him up as a prank or something.

One yes, but there are a couple with the same information. It is certainly possible that they are bogus or prank accounts. They certainly aren't because of Tim's murder as the one date's back to 2006 and the user was logged on 3 months ago.

 

[Abitcountry]

Betrayed by his trusted friend, basically. If SS hadn't gotten AJ the job and AJ hadn't snapped the photos and been a first-hand witness to seeing the truck complete with VIN proof etc., they all could deny there ever was a truck in the hangar. This would all be a very different lie being told by SS.

they all could deny there was ever a truck in the hangar.....and deny there was a wood chipper, and a trailer with a motorcycle, and another motorcycle, and 12 or so trailers, and then there was an LB,and a WM, and a TB.
And so the list goes until there is a hangar full of used junk and a world full of hurt for those on the other side of the loss.
And all for what....the insatiable appetite of their so-called rich friend :devil: who gives them the worst taste of the high life and extracts a price in the end that costs his buddies their souls, their dignity, their self esteem and even their freedom. Seems to me Dell was headed straight to hell in a handcart and he was willing to take all and sundry with him......and all the while that same 'all and sundry' still try to protect him with their silence and denials even in the face of the law, the police and the Court. :guitar:...."oh mothers, tell your children not to do what they have done"

 

[Orderly]

Legal arguments are common, they need to figure out what evidence is admissible. They could have done this before the trial but this trial skipped over preliminary hearings due to the direct indictment.

Also, just wanted to put my defence theory. I think both lawyers will attempt to throw each other under the bus. I think it will be a battle of motives. MS will be portrayed as a weak character, just like SS, who simply followed orders and could be manipulated because he was under financial strain. He didn't even know was being taken advantage of until he got himself into more than he can handle. DM is reckless and his friends clean up his mistakes.

DM, as has been discussed, is more likely to use the he had no motive because he had money. However, that strategy needs to be adjusted since it was proven that he did in fact steal other vehicles. Pursuing that defence is unlikely to work. So I think, he will be portrayed/ is being portrayed as the nice rich guy who is being taken advantage of by his friends. He takes care of them - takes them on vacation, helps them in time of need. He's not the criminal, they are. JV owed him money and MS engaged in petty drug crime.

IMO

 

[Abitcountry]

But I would not call pleading "not guilty" to be indicative of accepting responsibility for ones behaviour?

Everyone who presents in court is presumed innocent until proven guilty......You seem not to be aware of that!!!
I know it will at first appear quite counter-intuitive but it is absolutely so and because it is so even a DM & MS have the absolute right to plead not guilty. Why do you think the Crown is busting their hump with a team of 3 attorneys, a room full of forensic experts and a truckload of evidence that they have been gathering and working on for almost 3 years.....the Crown has to prove that DM & MS are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and it is the jury's task to determine if that is the case after hearing all of the evidence from both sides.
You can say what you like about your thoughts on a plea of 'not guilty' and what that means to you....but I don't think your opinion is going to wash in a court of law. You just might be in Errrror

 

[MsSherlock]

Dellen Millard’s privileged, reckless, controlling, fantasy-land life revealed at Bosma murder trial

“He has no fear,” Schlatman said of Millard.


He drove so recklessly Schlatman wouldn’t get into a car with him: “I did once and said I’d never do it again,” he said.


“Crazy, carefree,” Schlatman described Millard. “He could go off and do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted.


“He’s the guy with the money. If he wanted something he goes and buys it,” he said. “When he broke something, I would fix it.”


And he could be controlling, the jury heard

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...nd-life-revealed-as-lawyer-witness-square-off

Can never forget DM's first Sermon on the Mount when he told the mass of reporters that DM was not "one of those spoiled brat rich kids" and how something like stealing a truck would be so out of character for him. Imagine if DP had inserted some of SS's description? "My client has no fear! He's crazy and careless. He has money and can go off and do whatever he wants to do, whenever he wants to do it and if he breaks something, he's got a full time mechanic on hand to fix it....and please remember, he's not a spoiled brat rich kid." Wonder how that would have gone off? MOO

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Betrayed by his trusted friend, basically. If SS hadn't gotten AJ the job and AJ hadn't snapped the photos and been a first-hand witness to seeing the truck complete with VIN proof etc., they all could deny there ever was a truck in the hangar. This would all be a very different lie being told by SS.

From what I'm remembering, LE was already on to DM before AJ called CS. AJ called in the VIN# but did not give any other information. When asked for the location, he didn't disclose where to CS. Instead he called a family meeting to disuss it. SO, if AJ did NOT tell SS about his findings, DM would NOT have moved Tim's truck and everyone at the hanger, on the 10th would have been waist high in cow dung!

 

[ABro]

One yes, but there are a couple with the same information. It is certainly possible that they are bogus or prank accounts. They certainly aren't because of Tim's murder as the one date's back to 2006 and the user was logged on 3 months ago.

Except SS and wife both took their Facebook accounts private early on. He covers his face when going to court. People have been talking about that profile for three years. It makes no sense he would leave it up if he had any control of it. No sense.

 

[Abitcountry]

Talk about going off script. I seriously doubt that P & S saw that 100 car train coming down the track. Seriously doubt that DM himself thought that Dungey would have that much leeway in his cross examination. It saddens me to think that a full grown man like SS would be so weak and cowardly. He was so dependent and needy that he was completely void of a moral compass. How much of WM and LB did SS know about? How many other skeletons does this guy have to sleep with every night.

I can't imagine WM didn't know DM had some serious problems. When SS spoke of the MRO and it's certification, he knew full well that all of the stuff he was working on there would have to go somewhere. Before WM died and Millardair had 13 other employees working there at the hangar- getting things ready for the MRO, exactly what was SS doing? Just going about his merry way doing whatever Dell wanted him to do completely oblivious to WM's aviation maintenance crew? Ignoramuses. Can't even imagine the embarrassment and frustration WM must have been continuously experiencing with his one and only son.

So at the end of the day, MB is the one dealing with the mess. The stolen vehicle investigations, WM's estate, putting all the money that DM took out of MA back into the coffers, DM's mounting legal bills, more trials, more publicity. IMHO, when WM died and DM made her part of MA, I doubt she thought that the 5K a month was going to take her to a place where her life was consumed with dealing with the aftermath of her evil son. MOO

In regards to the lawyers. Dungey can pull off these explosive cross examinations and it comes off like it could be in a movie. He's got the looks, age and experience. S & P on the other hand? Neither of them have the charisma TD has. IMO, if P & S tried the same thing they'd come off as arrogant jerks. But with that being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sachak rev it up a notch and try to impress the media. After the trial, perhaps Dell can invite P & S down to Barton to do some "stand up" ? MOO

I think Sachak and Pillay's just got schooled big time.... Honestly, Dungey's explosive cross examination was something we all needed---he was the embodiment of the rage and outrage of all of us and it was perfect timing.
If Sachak and Pillay's think that it will ever be appropriate for them to do the same in this trial I have no doubt it will just jump up and bite them right in the azz....No No Grasshopper :naughty::naughty:

 

[deugirtni]

Does anyone know who's up today, aside from Plath's cross examination?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

With that damage done, Dungey has no further questions.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...ross-examination-brings-drama-to-bosma-trial/

 

[Juballee]

Well quite honestly, Dungey is not going to be able to present a case that MS is really a Prince Charming who just fell into bad company ....and that company subsequently forced him to commit despicable acts against his will.....And frankly, I don't think that is what is going to happen.
After today's stunning display of righteous anger & moral indignation from TD I rather think he has been forthright and utterly honest with his client Mr Smich since day one. I can only guess that his very first conversation with his client is still permanently etched in MS's brain---just look at the Smich's appearance and self discipline day after day in the courtroom...no waving and no emoting all over the place as he sits side by side with the man who now is an arch enemy. MS has not been that well behaved since his 'First Communion'---- if you get my meaning.
I think there will be a factual and honest acknowledgement of Smich's total involvement ....and ultimately of his verdict and then sentence.....whatever all of that will be.
I am thinking of Greenspan's defense of young Mr. Mezzo recently....no one could erase the horror of what he had caused and no one tried to pretend it was something less than it was. Both lawyer and client faced the situation and its consequences head on as mature and collected adults do.....and I will be pleased to see a similar conclusion in this case at least for Smich. IMO

Personally, I highly doubt that MS is sitting through this trial pretending to be a choirboy just so that he can confess to his part at the last minute. His lawyer is expensive, why pay all that extra money for a trial if he plans on pleading his guilt at the end? Even if his lawyer is only getting legal aid, he wouldn't waste his time in trial if he told the defendant to confess on the stand. MS admitting his guilt would go a long way towards cementing DM's guilt, but I think TD is looking to do that without getting his client to change his plea.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Except SS and wife both took their Facebook accounts private early on. He covers his face when going to court. People have been talking about that profile for three years. It makes no sense he would leave it up if he had any control of it. No sense.

I found 122 fotos under the username, probably posted Dec. 2011. He himself is seen on a pic (reflection) as his wife too. He is showing a red car (Camaro?) and how he built a big fish tank sitting in a cabinet. He seems to be a skilful "builder", for whatever purpose useful, this man. Another forum profil under the same name says he's an "A" mechanic, occupation "truck driver".

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Except SS and wife both took their Facebook accounts private early on. He covers his face when going to court. People have been talking about that profile for three years. It makes no sense he would leave it up if he had any control of it. No sense.

Alot of stuff doesn't make sense.
Covering his face walking out of court doesn't convince me that these are not his accounts. Lots of people cover their faces when the cameras come out, I do. If I had such accounts linked to me that weren't mine, you bet your butt I'd do everything I could to have them deleted.

 

[RandomName479]

Everyone who presents in court is presumed innocent until proven guilty......You seem not to be aware of that!!!
I know it will at first appear quite counter-intuitive but it is absolutely so and because it is so even a DM & MS have the absolute right to plead not guilty. Why do you think the Crown is busting their hump with a team of 3 attorneys, a room full of forensic experts and a truckload of evidence that they have been gathering and working on for almost 3 years.....the Crown has to prove that DM & MS are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and it is the jury's task to determine if that is the case after hearing all of the evidence from both sides.
You can say what you like about your thoughts on a plea of 'not guilty' and what that means to you....but I don't think your opinion is going to wash in a court of law. You just might be in Errrror

just jumping in here.....but to me there is also a big difference between someone taking ownership of a mistake they made and pleading guilty (MM case to which you have all been referring).....and pleading not guilty. MS is NOT owing his part in this......despite his lawyer's wonderful cross of SS yesterday, I don't think we can leap to conclude that MS is all of a sudden deciding to change his tune and change his plea. He is putting the family through a trial. Making them relive all of these horrendous moments. He absolutely had the option to spill the beans to LE and take some kind of plea. No kudos from me. I agree his lawyer is phenomenal...but I disagree with the characterization of him being repentant and asking for forgiveness as is in the other case. MOO

 

[ABro]

Yes. You also found a driverless car if I remember correctly.

Someone could have put his photos there. Age of the account doesn't make it authentic.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Yes. You also found a driverless car if I remember correctly.

Someone could have put his photos there. Age of the account doesn't make it authentic.

But it wasn't a driverless car nor did I say it was a driverless car! I believe that was your interpretation of my post. I was under the impression that it was only MS that picked up MM, so that footage didn't make sense to me.

 

[Coldpizza]

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