Bosma Murder Trial 04.26.16 - Day 40

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Meneses says she was frustrated, but when she got in the SUV, Millard seemed very happy. "Dell told you he got the truck, right?" Dungey says. "They both told me that the mission went well," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 11:53 AM

"At that time you thought Dell would be generous and give Mark some money ... but he didn't, did he?" Dungey asks. "No," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 11:54 AM

Meneses says Smich got $300 from Millard before they stole the truck, but she doesn't know exactly what that cash was for.
by Adam Carter 11:54 AM

 

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Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Hamilton, Ontario
Meneses tells jury both men said 'the mission went well.' #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey suggests Dell told her specifically he'd gotten the truck but she doesn't recall. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
She doesn't remember which of the two, or whether both mentioned getting the truck. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
"They both told me that the mission went well." She doesn't remember if it was "pacifically" Dellen who told her that. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey suggests she thought at that point that Dell would give Mark money. "He was supposed to," she says. But he didn't. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Meneses says #Millard was supposed to give #Smich money, but didn't. #TimBosma

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 48s48 seconds ago
Meneses says she knows he got money before it happened--like $300 or something. She doesn't know what it was for. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 42s42 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Meneses said Smich got money before they stole the truck, about $300. She doesn't know what the money was from. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 41s41 seconds ago
"I know he got money before they did it. $300 or something. I don't know what that money was from." #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 23s23 seconds ago
She thought Dell would give Mark money, but he didn't. Dell gave Mark $300 before they stole the truck.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 58s58 seconds ago
That morning Dell then dropped them off at Mark's mom' place. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 45s45 seconds ago
The ride from 30 Speers to Montrose Abbey took just minutes. She didn't discuss any more with #Smich after they got home. #TimBosma

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13s13 seconds ago
Dungey suggests that on May 9, Smich told her someone had seen the truck at the hangar and she flipped out. She'd seen the news. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 40s40 seconds ago
Meneses says here was no doubt in her mind the truck they stole was #TimBosma's but she didn't find out until May 9 2014

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 40s40 seconds ago
She agrees. She wanted to know what was going on. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 38s38 seconds ago
May 7 she doesn't know it was Tim #Bosma's truck. May 9 she learned whose truck it was. Had seen it on news.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 29s29 seconds ago
May 9, 2013, Meneses learned the truck was #TimBosma's, and she'd heard of him on news. #Smich told her someone had seen it in hangar

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 49s50 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Meneses found out the stolen truck was Bosma's, on May 9, 2013. Three days after. #Bosma

 

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At that time, Meneses says she didn't know that truck was Tim Bosma's truck. But when she found out later, she freaked out, Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 11:55 AM

"That was typical of Mark, not telling you about these missions. He was protecting you," Dungey says. Meneses agrees.
by Adam Carter 11:56 AM

"He was also trying to protect Dell wasn't he?" Dungey says. "That was my view," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 11:57 AM

 

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Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 49s50 seconds ago
That's the day the MillardAir coop student reported it to police #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 46s47 seconds ago
"That was typical of Mark, not telling you about his missions: he was protecting you by not telling you," Dungey says. She agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 44s44 seconds ago
But in this case she was pushing him for info, she agrees. He didn't want to give her info bc he didn't want her involved, Dungey suggests.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 53s53 seconds ago
Meneses didn't want to know details of missions, but pushed #Smich on this. #Smich complied reluctantly."He didn't want you to be involved."

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 44s44 seconds ago
MM says Smich- expected to be paid for may 6th theft. He needed $. @AM900CHML #timbosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 37s37 seconds ago
Mark didn't tell her much about missions. Didn't want her to be involved. Also trying to protect Dell. "That was my view." #bosma

 

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Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 33s33 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey says Smich didn't give Meneses much information, to protect Millard. Meneses agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey suggests it was her opinion he was also trying to protect Dell. She agrees that's what she thought. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Meneses pushed Smich for information but he wouldn't budge. She agrees he often tried to protect her from things. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Meneses believes #Smich was also trying to protect #Millard. Based on her observations of their friendship. #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
She notes he was also protecting Millard. #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey also says Smich was trying to protect Meneses. She agrees. #Bosma

 

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"I think he didn't want to tell me anything about it because he was involved," Meneses says about Smich.
by Adam Carter 11:57 AM

"He told you that he didn't want anyone to know that he was associated with Dell, right?" Dungey says, and Meneses agrees.
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"I think he was more or less hiding," Meneses says.
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[JuneBug67]

Except it only came from AP and no one else.... From what I have seen, AP is quite the sensationalist.

I heard the Associated Press is in frantic meetings to change their initials.

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Smich told her "you have nothing to worry about." She thinks he also didn't to tell her anything because he was involved. With Dell, D adds.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"I think he didn't want to tell me because HE was involved." #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
#Smich started panicking after #Millard arrest & wanted to move out of mother's house. Didn't tell Meneses why. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Then the conversation of getting out of the mom's house came up. He didn't want anyone knowing he was associated w Dell, Dungey suggests.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 58s58 seconds ago
#Smich sister wedding also coming up, but they could have stayed at his mother's house if they wanted.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Around this time also the wedding was coming up. Dungey says as Millard's lawyer pointed out, they could've stayed if they wanted. Yes.

 

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Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
After May 6 "Mark became quite scared," says Dungey. Meneses agrees. But he didn't tell her why. At same time wedding was near for sister.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 58s58 seconds ago
May 8-th smich is quite scared. MM didn't know why. He was trying to protect Millard Dungee says. "Yes. He was hiding' #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
"I think he was more or less hiding," she says of his desire to leave the house. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
When Smich wanted to get out of his moms house Meneses says he was hiding and didn't want to be associated with Millard. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"I think he was more or less hiding," Meneses says. #Smich didn't want her to know about the theft of #TimBosma truck. She did own research

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Hamilton, Ontario
Meneses: 'I think he was hiding, more or less' about Smich wanting to stay at her sister's place in the days after Bosma disappeared #Bosma

 

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"It's only with you pressing him that he then tells you that Mr. Bosma's 'gone, gone.'" Dungey says. "Yes," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 12:00 PM

"Mark told you that Dell murdered Mr. Bosma, right?" Dungey says. "Yes," Meneses says, adding that Smich told her that Millard incinerated Bosma.
by Adam Carter 12:01 PM

"Mark wasn't involved in incinerating Mr. Bosma, was he?" Dungey says. "No," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 12:02 PM

 

[Kamille]

Well...well...finally someone that DID get paid for the heists lol

"That's why he was doing them, because he was getting paid. That was the only reason," Meneses says.
by*Adam Carter*11:43 AM

Wanted to point that out as well. Not only was he participating in the missions to make money, he was scouting out stuff for more missions to make money. Don't think he was keeping anything that was being stolen. Looks like it was all being dispersed between Millard properties.

So do we believe AM wasn't getting paid or scouting out stuff too? I know I don't.

MOO

 

[Staceys]

My thoughts exactly. That was very careful wording on Dungey's part. "something very serious criminally".

Maybe she was the person CN was to talk too??

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She had a feeling something was up and she was pressing him. "It was only then he then tells you Mr #Bosma is gone gone," Dungey says. Yes.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
She had to press Smich for info. Only then Smich told her #Bosma was "gone, gone."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
"It's only with you pressing him that he tells you Mr Bosma is gone, gone. He didn't offer it to you." She agrees. #Smich trying to protect

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
She kept pressing Smich and he finally told her that #TimBosma was "gone, gone" #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey suggests Smich said he didn't want people connecting him with Dell. She agrees. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Her opinion is that #Smich was trying to protect her & #Millard. Judge tells jury opinions are irrelevant.

 

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Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Pillay is objecting often to Dungey's cross examination. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Smich then told her Dell murdered #Bosma. Shot him. "Yes," she says. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Mark told her Dell murdered #Bosma. That Dell shot Bosma. That Dell incinerated Bosma.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
He tells you Dell murdered Mr. Bosma. Tells you Dell shot him. Dell incinerated Mr. Bosma. Dell. Right? MM - yes.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
"And that Dell incinerated Mr. Bosma. Dell. Right?" Dungey says. "Yes," she says. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey: Mark told you Dell murdered Mr. Bosma. Meneses: Yes Dungey: That he shot him. Meneses: Yes Dungey: That Dell incinerated him. M:Yes

 

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Dungey now attempting to illustrate that Meneses wasn't lying to police at the outset. "There may have been a mixup of dates, but you were there to tell the truth?" he says. "Correct," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 12:03 PM

"Mark said Dell did it, correct?" Dungey says. "Correct," she answers.
by Adam Carter 12:04 PM

"You weren't taking sides, trying to protect Mark, were you?" Dungey asks. "No," Meneses says.
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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Re: the incinerator, Dungey says that Millard's lawyer had suggested she lied to police about it. But he says she wasn't trying to lie.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 2m2 minutes ago
Dungee; mark tells u "del shot bosma' "del incinerated Bosma" yes meneses says.. yes. @AM900CHML #timbosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
May 22 police statement. She said she didn't know about incinerator. She says she didn't intentionally lie.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Meneses didn't intentionally lie to police about not knowing about the incinerator. She didn't think of it. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She had no reason to lie--"Because Mark wasn't involved with incinerating Mr Bosma, right?" Dungey says. She agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Now she says Mark didn't help incinerate #Bosma. Earlier she said he did.

 

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Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
She wasn't holding back on May 22 (arrest date) When she remembered the incinerator she told police. #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Meneses says she never told police about the incinerator because she thought Millard burned #TimBosma's remains and Smich wasn't involved

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey suggests that on May 22,
2013, when Smich was arrested (she was too), the officer told her what Smich was charged with. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Meneses was taken to @HRPSOak for statement. Says she did her best to tell all she knew. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
May 22 she and Smich are arrested. Officer tells her what Smich is charged with. She tries to tell him everything she knows. The truth.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
She says she did her best to tell the truth and didn't lie at all #TimBosma

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
And they wanted to know what she knew. "You do you utmost best at telling them everything you know," Dungey says. Yes, she says. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey pressing Meneses, did she tell the truth to police? Yes, she responds. She told them what Mark told her #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
What she knew about was what Smich told her and that's what she told the police #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She told them what Mark had told her. That Mark had said he did not help murder #Bosma--that Dell did it.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
All she knew is what #Smich told her. That he did not help murder #Bosma. That's what she told police. "Dell did it. He murdered Bosma"

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Dungey: Mark had said Dell did it. He had murdered Bosma. Right? Meneses: Right.