Bosma Murder Trial 05.02.16 - Day 43

[dar107]

Is it normal to be able to make a call from a payphone to a prison and have an inmate paged to answer it? This just seems odd to me. MOO.

It is odd to me as well. As far as I know there is only outgoing calls. Maybe Hamilton jail is different then others but it does not seem right hmmm. I'm also wondering if maybe MB was paying someone employed there at the jail to pass the letters back and forth.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Sorry guys but I just can't keep up, so if this has already been said, my apologies!

When BD testified that MS believed that DM was framing him.. I thought at the time that it was simply paranoia, and rightfully so, considering their actions that night. But from today's letter evidence, it has become clear in my mind at least, that DM was in fact trying to frame MS. I'm just having such a hard time with that. Like isn't it bad enough to drag one of your best friends into your criminal escapades just so you can get a free truck, even though you're wealthy? The guy also needed to frame him and make it all be his fault if possible? Wow. What I'm curious about is how at that early time, did MS know that DM was trying to frame him? God, no wonder the guy was so paranoid. Is it still considered paranoia when your delusions are reality?

Argh, some piece of testimony last week caused me to post "I wonder when MS realized he was being framed", or possibly "I wonder if this was when DM decided to frame MS", something along those lines, but I can't remember what pivotal piece of testimony it was. I think it was before the letters. But I do think it was the reason he switched over to using CN as his accomplice.

 

[hellkat2]

Is it normal to be able to make a call from a payphone to a prison and have an inmate paged to answer it? This just seems odd to me. MOO.

Maybe DM called his mother from the payphone at the prison (if there is such a thing) to a phone booth they decided on. I think you can still call a phone booth if you know the number. It has been a long time since I have even come across a phone booth. They kind of became obsolete with the cell phone era.

 

[canadiangirl]

And if AJ had never called CS, CN would of never been asked that question. His discovery that CN was the one for him was born out of that call.
MOO

While I definitely don't condone CN and her actions I do feel DM preyed on the fact she was so stupidly in love and used that to his advantage. The fact she shows no remorse is disgusting imo

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[hellkat2]

Argh, some piece of testimony last week caused me to post "I wonder when MS realized he was being framed", or possibly "I wonder if this was when DM decided to frame MS", something along those lines, but I can't remember what pivotal piece of testimony it was. I think it was before the letters. But I do think it was the reason he switched over to using CN as his accomplice.

Is this not what all criminals do in the end....? They turn on each other......every man for himself. Lots of movies on TV to this effect. It is something that is a known.

 

[Ontario Mom]

As for the transit of the letters back and forth from DM to CN, and vice versa, it's pretty clear they were initially going through MB since CN made mention of being worried MB may have read one of her "racy" letters after it was written and sealed in an envelope for DM. The MSM reports tonight talk about it being MB who handled the letters back and forth but I think it stands to reason she wasn't the only one. Did she (MB) simply hand them off to MB's lawyer to deliver to him? Were they tucked inside letters from her (MB) so to make it all look completely above board?

Just thinking out loud on this one. Maybe someone else has already figured out how those letters went back and forth??

 

[Claroon]

I felt like you do about MB before the letters were presented, but now I have no doubt that MB is deserving of the contempt that I and others may feel towards her, IMO. I also believe that she read every last word of both CN's letters to DM and vice versa, IMO. It just makes sense to me that she would because MB is way too involved with her adult son and his situation, and while I, as a mother, can and do feel empathy for mothers of those accused of a heinous crime, I cannot relate to MB's decision to alter evidence (colluding with CN to wipe prints from the trailer), remove items from Maplegate, assist her son with contacting CN against the DNC order, and all in all obstruct an active police investigation when TB was at the time considered to be potentially still alive but missing, IMO. Those actions are not the actions of a loving and protective mother operating on instinct, IMO, they are the actions of a complete control freak who IMO must have strongly suspected the guilt of her son, DM, and who was willing and able to use others to protect his and her own long-term interests, IMO.

All MOO.

In a fictitious tv movie, she would end up being the black widow mom. i.e. How to get the rest of your ex-husband's money? First have your ex husband murdered, money passed down to your only son, then see to it that he gets locked up by committing some heinous crime you've put in his head, then voila, you get the money and assets. JMO

 

[NashBridges2]

I have no difficulty believing detectives were watching the house. maybe they set up cameras to monitor it. Who knows what all they do but ...anything is possible. And the reason DM may have repeated this to CN is bcause his mother told him about this. It may or may not have been true. I think it likely that she was cooperating with the investigation very quickly.

Wrong. She has never co-operated or given a statement.

 

[MsSherlock]

Hmm, was he going to blame MS for the purchase of the gun holster?

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Good catch- sure looks like it was a possibility. In all honesty, I have no idea how MS is sitting there beside DM and listening to all of this stuff. I would imagine that P & S's cross is going to do everything to show how fantastic DM was to CN. How he never hid anything- how generous he was and what a loser MS was. IMHO, P & S have to have figured out someway to spin CN's testimony. TD on the other hand? Can anyone guess where he's going to go with this? There's just so much! CN not remembering anything, the tampering with witnesses, the letters...everything pointing to framing MS.

 

[Claroon]

Hmm, was he going to blame MS for the purchase of the gun holster?

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The Costco account one is funny imo. Unless he means his Costco charge card, using Dell's Costco card merely means Dell gets the credit at year's end.
And Dell would have to be with him because it bears a photo.

 

[Claroon]

How do you explain the deliberate breach of the no contact when she phoned DM from a pay phone? LE does not condone breaking the law for something like a voice call that is not recorded. MB was cooperating all right, with DM.

MOO

I just wonder if they looked the other way so they could now have all this evidence. Better than a jail snitch. Surveillance cops probably saw all the letter stuffing and knew they'd be in CN's possession. IMO

 

[brightii]

As for the transit of the letters back and forth from DM to CN, and vice versa, it's pretty clear they were initially going through MB since CN made mention of being worried MB may have read one of her "racy" letters after it was written and sealed in an envelope for DM. The MSM reports tonight talk about it being MB who handled the letters back and forth but I think it stands to reason she wasn't the only one. Did she (MB) simply hand them off to MB's lawyer to deliver to him? Were they tucked inside letters from her (MB) so to make it all look completely above board?

Just thinking out loud on this one. Maybe someone else has already figured out how those letters went back and forth??

Could the letters have been passed along via LW1? She was an actual employee of MA for MB at the time and visited DM in jail on a number of occasions IIRC, as per her testimony? Perhaps LW1 took into the jail a file folder that had a hidden or false compartment in it with papers for signing by DM (legitimate ruse that she needed him to review the papers?) and the guards checked out the paperwork which appeared in order, so they allowed DM to have the folder? Once those documents were signed by DM he would replace the letters he received from CN with those intended to be delivered to MB for CN? Could such a system go undetected in a jail?

Maybe I'm thinking too much like a spy . . . and not a very clever one. lol

All MOO.

 

[sleuther76]

Maybe DM called his mother from the payphone at the prison (if there is such a thing) to a phone booth they decided on. I think you can still call a phone booth if you know the number. It has been a long time since I have even come across a phone booth. They kind of became obsolete with the cell phone era.

The new pay phones you cannot call from external numbers. However, the old cocot telephones have an external number that can be dialed. You can also dial these phones without having to pay just by tapping the hang up switch like an old rotary phone. My guess is that she knew of one of these phones and gave DM the number to call at specific times during the day.

More info on cocot phones here:

http://www.phworld.org/payphone/cocot.htm

I also don't think MB was the one exchanging the letters. There is a far more obvious person ...

 

[Claroon]

Those letters are something else. DM is just so full of himself. The girls he attracts must be a special kind of not very bright and very insecure. He just manipulates over and over.

His mushy gushy sounds like the guy I was in a relationship with. He would say he didn't want to be in a relationship with me, basically breakup, and be at my door in a couple days with flowers or send a gooey letter. It worked for a while. I finally could see the "girl" he wrote to in his letters was a girl in his imagination and not me at all. These DM letters are echoing loud for me. Glad I finally moved on from the pathetic user low-life who lived in a delusional world. Hope CN will too.

 

[Errrr]

"I have nearly had children and been married more than once" as written by DM in his letters
Despite the ambiguous grammar, it still suggests pregnancy..... Not relevant in this trial but I wonder how he got out of that?

 

[canadiangirl]

Wrong. She has never co-operated or given a statement.

And as soon as she stepped on the stand the crown made it clear she's never spoken to them and there's no deal in place

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[canadiangirl]

The new pay phones you cannot call from external numbers. However, the old cocot telephones have an external number that can be dialed. You can also dial these phones without having to pay just by tapping the hang up switch like an old rotary phone. My guess is that she knew of one of these phones and gave DM the number to call at specific times during the day.

More info on cocot phones here:

http://www.phworld.org/payphone/cocot.htm

I also don't think MB was the one exchanging the letters. There is a far more obvious person ...

Obvious to who? Lol do tell

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[Ontario Mom]

"I have nearly had children and been married more than once" as written by DM in his letters
Despite the ambiguous grammar, it still suggests pregnancy..... Not relevant in this trial but I wonder how he got out of that?

I would disagree about such a statement being relevant to this trial. It gives us a snapshot into the mind of the man accused and charged with killing Tim Bosma. It's been made quite clear he fancies himself a master manipulator, so weaseling his way out of parentage & marriage would be pretty standard for such a person who lies and juggles several women at the same time.

moo.

 

[Errrr]

Since he's also identified himself as a "heater with a penis"- I'm thinking that he may want to make sure that gets on his "romance card design" business card when he gets to his permanent pen digs. That may be a benefit if he's looking for some protection. MOO Now, what does crack me up is his little note on that card that talks about him studying in Reno, dated 2012- on prison note paper. No one would ever put that one together. Coo coo for coco puffs. MOO

What was the purpose of that fake letter? Alibi for something in 2012?

 

[leafs_fan93]

"I have nearly had children and been married more than once" as written by DM in his letters
Despite the ambiguous grammar, it still suggests pregnancy..... Not relevant in this trial but I wonder how he got out of that?

My first thought was LB