Bosma Murder Trial 05.11.16 - Day 47 - Smich Defence commences

[Inspector_North]

Dell wore the satchel on his left side that night. In a earlier picture he wore it on the right.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Why did the police that came to the hanger to check out the hot Bobcat not get an arrest out of the visit ? The Bosma incident might not have happened if DM got arrested from that. If the GPS signal from the Bobcat pointed to the hanger, and there were suspicious types hanging around the hanger, why wasn't this acted upon ?

FWIW, I own a Bobcat and a diesel truck. My truck was stolen once. Our family had a Bobcat stolen.

No but seriously, why do you think DM "got rid of" most of what he stole?

 

[EspressoBean]

Why did the police that came to the hanger to check out the hot Bobcat not get an arrest out of the visit ? The Bosma incident might not have happened if DM got arrested from that. If the GPS signal from the Bobcat pointed to the hanger, and there were suspicious types hanging around the hanger, why wasn't this acted upon ?

FWIW, I own a Bobcat and a diesel truck. My truck was stolen once. Our family had a Bobcat stolen.

There are hundreds more questions that could be asked. That information has not been given which means that lawyers and/or the judge determined that it did not have bearing in this case. This is a first degree murder trial. We would be here until next May if information about all of DM and friends' escapades were detailed. I don't know why that is relevant related to today's trial proceedings?
jmo

 

[canadiangirl]

I don't have a theory about what actually happened. I'm just pointing out inconsistencies.

Another inconsistency is that DM went for gas after shooting TB. Wouldn't at least some part of his clothing be bloody ? Did he change before he went for gas ? And then again when he got back ?

If Smich was really only peripherally involved, why didn't he call 911 when DM went for gas ? He had 40 minutes to think about it and do it. Could have told police where they were, that DM had a gun. That and his testomony today and he'd probably not get much time at all.

Yes when did he change clothes? Like I said earlier... Being shot that close there would be more then a little spatter

 

[EspressoBean]

I guess young Mr. Smich won't be going into general population in jail anytime soon. He is now labelled a rat.

I'm not sure about that. He rolled on the rich entitled spoiled stealing murderer. I don't know if that would be seen with a lot of contempt in a jail setting.

 

[SuperSpy]

Respectfully, but you're misinformed/underinformed about a lot of aspects of this case if you believe any part of the last paragraph.

Smich testifies that they wanted to paint the truck red and switch the VIN. I find it hard to believe that anyone could be that stupid. The red truck was a dually. TB's truck was a single rear wheel. The red truck is a long box, longer wheelbase. TB's truck is a short wheelbase. The red truck was a gasser. TB's truck was a diesel. The red truck probably had a commercial plate, which means it gets inspected, which means someone writes down the VIN. Sooner or later DM will get in trouble owning that truck. It is obviously hot and not correct for its VIN. It is obvious to anyone who knows these trucks.

So the VIN switch strategy probably wasn't in the cards in the initial plan. It came about when DM was stuck with the truck, as a way to hide it. So if the VIN switch wasn't the first plan, what was the first plan ?

And why did DM hide the trailer at his mothers ? Why didn't he park it at an RV storage place where it wouldn't be conspicuous, especially if it was going to contain something hot ? Me thinks he didn't ever plan for it to contain something hot. Me thinks putting TB's truck in the trailer was a backup plan.

I wonder what other missions his friends know about.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I'm not sure about that. He rolled on the rich entitled spoiled stealing murderer. I don't know if that would be seen with a lot of contempt in a jail setting.

The one who is willingly hiding in segregation, IIRC.

And it's not like DM was some respected mob boss with ties "on the inside".

 

[SuperSpy]

No but seriously, why do you think DM "got rid of" most of what he stole?

Because MS said he did. Things just disappeared. Where did the chipper go ? And the Bobcat ? And the Corvette trailer and tires ?

 

[Inspector_North]

On CBC radio they reported that MS said DM was yelling when he got out at the industrial park. Could be his ears were still ringing?

MOO

 

[brightii]

If I recall correctly Hagerman testified the toolbox was locked when DM gave it to him. As for CN there's still so much more to hear. Yes everything does not ring 100 percent true. Going to be a very telling few days to come.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/bosma-matt-hagerman-snivelling-1.3525024

I went back to MH's testimony via tweets today, (see page 2 at the link) and he said (paraphrasing) that he never opened the toolbox but the way it was contained seemed like something inside was wrapped in clothing, IMO. I recall thinking that was an odd assumption for him to make, IMO. Then MS testified today that when he opened the toolbox the gun was indeed wrapped in cloth, IMO. I always thought that both MH and AM knew exactly what the toolbox had contained and I still believe they did, IMO. Also MH said DM told him to hang on to the toolbox for a couple of weeks but then AM got involved (and he was in contact with CN I believe right after DM's arrest) and suddenly AM suggested to MH that DM would want MS to have the toolbox, and then AM and MS were communicating, IMO. I wonder what changed that AM insisted that MS should have the toolbox and that DM would want him to have it?

I've been all over the place when it comes to wondering about MS's guilt during the trial, and it's so hard to know for sure, but I agree with some here that his testimony today does add more room for reasonable doubt, and I don't envy the jury one bit. I know I'd be the worst person to have on a jury because I find it hard to come to a final decision and stick to it, IMO. I just have to believe that the jury will make the right decision and whatever they decide, I will respect it.

All MOO.

 

[Bsafe]

IMO at 0:23 I see a faint light in what appears to be the cab of the first vehicle. Could this be the moment the gun goes off. You have to really look, but there is an orange flare there. I know little about guns - perhaps they don't flash when fired. But, IMO, when this orange flash occurs, the braking becomes more intense. IMO MOO

 

[ArianeEmory]

Smich testifies that they wanted to paint the truck red and switch the VIN. I find it hard to believe that anyone could be that stupid. The red truck was a dually. TB's truck was a single rear wheel. The red truck is a long box, longer wheelbase. TB's truck is a short wheelbase. The red truck was a gasser. TB's truck was a diesel. The red truck probably had a commercial plate, which means it gets inspected, which means someone writes down the VIN. Sooner or later DM will get in trouble owning that truck. It is obviously hot and not correct for its VIN. It is obvious to anyone who knows these trucks.

So the VIN switch strategy probably wasn't in the cards in the initial plan. It came about when DM was stuck with the truck, as a way to hide it. So if the VIN switch wasn't the first plan, what was the first plan ?

And why did DM hide the trailer at his mothers ? Why didn't he park it at an RV storage place where it wouldn't be conspicuous, especially if it was going to contain something hot ? Me thinks he didn't ever plan for it to contain something hot. Me thinks putting TB's truck in the trailer was a backup plan.

I wonder what other missions his friends know about.

So you disregard all the testimony about DM wanting that kind of truck and telling AM he was going to steal one?

 

[EspressoBean]

Because MS said he did. Things just disappeared. Where did the chipper go ? And the Bobcat ? And the Corvette trailer and tires ?

I'm pretty sure most of these things were found at the hangar. He isn't on trial for theft, though.

 

[SuperSpy]

The reason I ask all these questions is because they poke holes in MS's story. If MS knew that DM had a buyer for the truck lined up that night, he then knew they were stealing it that night. If MS knew the incinerator got fueled up during the preparations, then he pretty much knew that a murder was going to take place.

I still don't understand how they thought they could kill the owner of a truck and get away with it, especially since DM talked about getting that type of truck for over a year. And apparently another girl knew of this as well. It wasn't as though they were being tight lipped about it.

So many levels of stupidity to all of this. I guess thieves and murderers get brazen and careless after a while.

 

[canadiangirl]

All I hope is DM defense does not use a weak "my client wasn't in his right mind". That's the first thing I thought when MS said how Dell looked at the scene of the crime. And then the next day was the same old Dell..acting normal

All comments are JMO unless stated otherwise

 

[Inspector_North]

Because MS said he did. Things just disappeared. Where did the chipper go ? And the Bobcat ? And the Corvette trailer and tires ?

The point is that this trial heard as evidence.

DM texted LW_2 he has been working for almost a year at trading his truck for a diesel version
DM told SS, after SS told him a diesel would be better to pull the race car to BAJA
DM told CN he was interested in 'buying' a diesel truck.
They were looking for a particular model truck, a Dodge diesel 3500 that he could swap VINs.

There may be more, but this is evidence he wanted a diesel truck for himself. Even if he sold previous mission scores.

MOO

 

[ArianeEmory]

I'm pretty sure most of these things were found at the hangar. He isn't on trial for theft, though.

They were.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/bosma-stolen-vehicles-1.3519727

As far as killing someone for a truck being a stupid plan, he had an illegal gun, a huge incinerator, and two other dead bodies in his wake. There wasn't a lot of "smart" going on, except in his imagination.

 

[canadiangirl]

On CBC radio they reported that MS said DM was yelling when he got out at the industrial park. Could be his ears were still ringing.

MOO

From the gunshot? If that is how it went down then likely. In a quiet area after a killing someone you'd think you would be a little more quiet and discreet?

 

[SuperSpy]

So you disregard all the testimony about DM wanting that kind of truck and telling AM he was going to steal one?

I could understand stealing one in a low profile way and swapping the diesel engine into the gasser. But I can't understand the logic of killing the owner to get one and then keeping it as your personal driver. It would attract way too much attention to the truck. As it did. Was the plan too brazen or was there another plan ? Maybe a chop shop was supposed to buy it and give DM the engine. All he needed was the engine and maybe the transmission to convert his current truck to diesel.

 

[mozzagirl]

Millard will pull MS down with him. He'll have to find a way to testify... Now with MS's testimony, there is no way they'll refuse DM on the stand.

There is no clarity about what happened at the farm. Did DM put the body into the incinerator single-handedly, or is this why they put the body in the truck bed? I am not sure if reporters skipped that part as too gruesome.

Sorry if someone else has already responded to this but there is no way DM can take the stand at all now. None.

His team already passed up their chance for a defence. Dungey can't call DM to the stand as a witness.

DM missed his chance. Too bad for him.