Bosma Murder Trial 05.11.16 - Day 47 - Smich Defence commences

[CJPRINCESS]

I get what you are saying, but if a guy comes to your door carrying a purse and you have to identify hi to police only a few hours later, chances are the first thing you are gonna say i "the big guy had a purse". Could one have them missed it? Sure. Both? Now way. I don't doubt he had it, just wonder if he left it in the Yukon?

Well it was dark out, maybe something to do with it? Also, to say "yes, he had a murse on" and only be 50% sure, you're better of to say "I don't remeber". Also, they didn't go up to the door. TB met them by the truck or did I miss something?

 

[EspressoBean]

Smich testifies that they wanted to paint the truck red and switch the VIN. I find it hard to believe that anyone could be that stupid. The red truck was a dually. TB's truck was a single rear wheel. The red truck is a long box, longer wheelbase. TB's truck is a short wheelbase. The red truck was a gasser. TB's truck was a diesel. The red truck probably had a commercial plate, which means it gets inspected, which means someone writes down the VIN. Sooner or later DM will get in trouble owning that truck. It is obviously hot and not correct for its VIN. It is obvious to anyone who knows these trucks.

So the VIN switch strategy probably wasn't in the cards in the initial plan. It came about when DM was stuck with the truck, as a way to hide it. So if the VIN switch wasn't the first plan, what was the first plan ?

And why did DM hide the trailer at his mothers ? Why didn't he park it at an RV storage place where it wouldn't be conspicuous, especially if it was going to contain something hot ? Me thinks he didn't ever plan for it to contain something hot. Me thinks putting TB's truck in the trailer was a backup plan.

I wonder what other missions his friends know about.

DM wasn't that bright and was quite used to getting away with anything.
He had talked about needing a diesel truck to tow his trailer to Baja races for many years. THey had scoped out this particular type of truck for a long time. DM was not someone that was stealing things for other people. He was stealing for himself and because he wanted something. There is no evidence to suggest any calls or texts to someone wanting a truck.
If he was going to paint it red and change the VIN which you claim is totally implausible, why would he be doing this as a back up plan if he would have known that this wouldn't work? YOu are the only one saying that the VIN switch wasn't the first plan. This clearly seems to have been the first and only plan until it had to be scrapped when police were onto him.
Your theories aren't supported by evidence, it seems. I wonder if you might be new to following this case since it seems that you are missing a lot of background. jmo

 

[canadiangirl]

I could understand stealing one in a low profile way and swapping the diesel engine into the gasser. But I can't understand the logic of killing the owner to get one and then keeping it as your personal driver. It would attract way too much attention to the truck. As it did. Was the plan too brazen or was there another plan ? Maybe a chop shop was supposed to buy it and give DM the engine. All he needed was the engine and maybe the transmission to convert his current truck to diesel.

IIRC others in the past thought they would do an engine swap

 

[ArianeEmory]

Taking a break, have already wasted too much of my life debating with people who believe that a crime that clearly *happened* couldn't possibly have happened.

 

[JPC]

You are right. DM is left handed making the scenario quite feasible.
DM could be quite charming when he wanted to be, also. I don't expect that Tim had his guard up. And good rural people are usually much more trusting in these situations. jmo

TB may have actually started to get concerned and turned to his right as if to get out. This would allow DM to pull the gun without him realizing right away. Just a theory

 

[JPC]

Taking a break, have already wasted too much of my life debating with people who believe that a crime that clearly *happened* couldn't possibly have happened.

Me too. I'll see the WS daytime crew tomorrow.

 

[Errrr]

The truck's key may have been chipped - unable to use the truck without it; so, not a simple car-jacking. Could that be part of the motive to kill TB?

Also, if MS was unaware that a murder might be involved, why was he following the truck?

(Sorry if this has been asked & answered.)

It is possible that after a year of anticipation, DM could wait no longer. If TB got suspicious after they left the Hwy for Paris he told DM to turn around and pulled out his phone to contact SB. That would explain the turn down Oak Park towards the Hwy. Maybe DM could not stand for an aborted mission at that point?

 

[don_quixote]

Morbid question, but would he still be actively bleeding?

Here is a chart that summarizes consequences of a carotid artery wound. http://www.skepticaljuror.com/2012/04/cases-involving-severed-carotid_08.html
Plus, the shot could damage the spinal cord and that would be instant incapacitation. I'm not sure how blood pressure/vital functions/blood pressure/blood loss would be affected in that case.

Edit: there uis a video of a carotid artery cut in that link. There is about 5 liters of blood in an adult male. Think how much liquid would be needed to soak seats, carpets and still pool on the floor and drip under.

One detail that strikes me is that, according to MS, Tim Bosma's head was on the dashboard. If he had any time to fight, the chances are that his seat belt would lock and his body would not lean forward... Seems to me, he didn't even realize what happened...

From that I would imply (although with low confidence) that the gun was holstered with the round chambered and safety off. <modsnip>

 

[EspressoBean]

I could understand stealing one in a low profile way and swapping the diesel engine into the gasser. But I can't understand the logic of killing the owner to get one and then keeping it as your personal driver. It would attract way too much attention to the truck. As it did. Was the plan too brazen or was there another plan ? Maybe a chop shop was supposed to buy it and give DM the engine. All he needed was the engine and maybe the transmission to convert his current truck to diesel.

He couldn't have just swapped out his engine for a diesel engine. It's not a simple swap trick. Entirely different systems. And this wouldn't have much different than changing the VIN number on his gas truck to the diesel truck?
DM had allegedly already got away with two other murders, that we know about and many many thefts including things like a Bobcat and a woodchipper- municipal government property. He seems to have lived a life beyond approach and accountability. He didn't see himself getting caught.
jmo

 

[SuperSpy]

Your theories aren't supported by evidence, it seems. I wonder if you might be new to following this case since it seems that you are missing a lot of background. jmo

I've been following the case daily since it started. All the witnesses thus far have lied. It is easy for SS and AM and others to distance themselves from the case to say the DM wanted this truck as his daily driver. If selling it or parting it out except the engine was part of the plan, they become deeper involved.

I also know these trucks pretty well.

BTW, the ECU also contains the VIN. The first time it goes to a dealer for service, the owner is in trouble because the printed body VIN doesn't match the ECU VIN.

The explanation they give for the use of the truck doesn't make any sense, no way, no how. Maybe they were that dumb. I think there is more to the story. I think other people are involved.

Think about it... you are going to find the truck you want online with your friend, his gf and your gf, call up the owner, meet his wife and tenant, take it for a test drive, then kill him, then repaint the truck and then drive it as your daily driver and not get caught. That is brazen. I guess these people are that dumb.

 

[Jug Up]

I'm not sure about that. He rolled on the rich entitled spoiled stealing murderer. I don't know if that would be seen with a lot of contempt in a jail setting.

I respectfully disagree. A rat is a rat is a rat, a few exceptions notwithstanding (crimes against women and children, for instance).. It is jailhouse code, an unwritten rule. It means you cannot be trusted, which is about the worst label you can have.

He won't be in gen pop. If he is, the Corrections Canada is going to have a lot to answer for <modsnip> someone sticks a shiv in him.

MOO

 

[Quaere_veritatem]

This is a well crafted defense....
- first give background on MS, poor hard done by kid from a broken home, didn't finish school, got sucked into a bad crowd, build up some sympathy for him.
- now tell us about how important his family is to him, how close they are, how he took in a girl in need to help her get out of a bad situation, try to convince the jury at heart he is a good person
- then tell us how in jail he has gotten his GED and wants to go to college, how he's gotten off drugs, gotten off booze, taking much better care of himself, really turned his life around
- then tell things we've already heard to build up his credibility, he's coming clean about this whole thing
- then tell us more of the story and include parts we already know from other testimony to make it sound credible but the new parts are just lies you've fabricated to remove yourself from guilt

what a total and complete load of garbage, I sincerely hope the jury sees through whole line of crap and find him just as guilty as DM imo

 

[dar107]

I guess young Mr. Smich won't be going into general population in jail anytime soon. He is now labelled a rat.

I'm not sure about that. He rolled on the rich entitled spoiled stealing murderer. I don't know if that would be seen with a lot of contempt in a jail setting.

In the criminal lifestyle a rat is a rat is a rat. Don't think it will matter much to other inmates whether DM was a rich spoiled brat. Partly I believe this is one reason MS did not go to police or do anything after.twisted as it is in this lifestyle it's the worst thing one can do.

IMO

 

[SuperSpy]

DM was planning to take the truck across 2 borders to race in Baja.

When they go across the border, the guards pull up the truck registration, based on the plate. The registration for his old truck is going to say dual rear wheel, long box. The truck in front of the border guard is going to be a single rear wheel, short box. 2 very different trucks. Very obvious to anyone who looks at vehicle registrations all day long.

If DM was going to do a VIN switch, why didn't he find a dually ? There are lots of them around.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

I believe that TB was shot with both DM and MS in the truck, then after that, MS followed behind. The stop at Bobcat was license plate swap.
I do not believe MS was as scared and shocked as he is saying. I believe murder was the plan from the start.

MS is putting DM as the shooter, him as the scared next victim, DM loading the incinerator, DM lighting the incinerator. I don't buy it.

IIRC, there wasn't any gunshot residue or blood found in the Yukon was there?

I remember a few days ago on WS that people were discussing the possibility of MS not being in the truck during gunshot, because there would then likely have been gunshot residue transferred from MS into the Yukon?

 

[ADAWG]

I still believe Smich knew the plan a head of time and things went down the way he suggested. Except he was smart enough to not have a paper trail which has left his defense open to suggesting this isn't how it was suppose to happen


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[canadiangirl]

He couldn't have just swapped out his engine for a diesel engine. It's not a simple swap trick. Entirely different systems. And this wouldn't have much different than changing the VIN number on his gas truck to the diesel truck?
DM had allegedly already got away with two other murders, that we know about and many many thefts including things like a Bobcat and a woodchipper- municipal government property. He seems to have lived a life beyond approach and accountability. He didn't see himself getting caught.
jmo

IMO he had a mechanic on the payroll willing to do anything it seems. So he technically could have done an engine swap.

 

[Typhoo1961]

Lets not forget that DM drove the truck to the farm and then the hanger in this condition, with TB in the passenger seat. And nobody noticed ? Nobody pulled up beside the truck during the drive and noticed something unusual ?

Actually from the farm to the hangar, TB was in the incinerator per MB 's testimony.

 

[SuperSpy]

IIRC, there wasn't any gunshot residue or blood found in the Yukon was there?

Why wasn't there any blood or GSR in the Yukon after DM fueled it up ?

 

[canadiangirl]

In the criminal lifestyle a rat is a rat is a rat. Don't think it will matter much to other inmates whether DM was a rich spoiled brat. Partly I believe this is one reason MS did not go to police or do anything after.twisted as it is in this lifestyle it's the worst thing one can do.

IMO

Which is also why none of the others ratted on each other IMO. A band of losers