Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #10

[matou]

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?pid=161695472


I'm reviewing today the obituary for WM. I've always thought that it read like cryptic code, IMO.


Reading now, in context of what we now know, it's quite enlightening, IMO. It says that the only people WM feared were racists, and yet DM and crew seem not to share that same fear considering their choice of terms in many of their texts, IMO.


And read the last very interesting paragraph that references "missions" and WM's vision "Yet To be Realized... His last, still unlaunched, animal welfare "mission" is accepting donations..." and it goes on to suggest those donations be sent to DM's Maplegate home address, IMO. WOW, I bet DM thought he was being so clever, IMO.

All MOO.

I wonder if DM is racist?

 

[mskrisc]

I think I'm the biggest sap on this forum, but in the case of DM's mother, I cannot for the love of me cut her any slack. IMHO, she has been DM's biggest enabler. It's one thing for a bunch of young twenty something men and women scrambling to cover their butts, but I'm sorry, I expected more from a mature woman. I certainly didn't expect her, within the first 48 hours of DM being arrested, to be concerned about DM's dog or protecting DM's assets- considering the trailer sitting in her driveway was going unquestioned and unreported. No doubt she was in shock, but seriously?

On the other hand, a guy doesn't just wake up one morning and become a manipulating, murdering psychopath. MB and WM were probably equally guilty in covering for this guy- never once holding him accountable for anything he had done in his life. Leaves me wondering as to how many times DM had brushes with the law and walked scott free. WM and MB cultivated a monster who even turned on his own father? And now we're on the subject- why wasn't WM's death questioned? MOO

The weekend after DM was arrested was the one time MB could have shone and done the right thing. AFAIK, out of all DM's buddies, only CN knew the truck was in the trailer in MB's driveway- MB should have called LE the minute DM was arrested- when she found out there was a missing man and truck. Secondly, I don't care about DM being able to pay his bills. IMO, MB taking that POA and transferring properties into her name, less than 2 days after DM's arrest, was the most tasteless thing any person could ever do. She was playing ignorance to the trailer in the driveway while TB's family was pleading for his return. She was concerned about the Millard money that was in her sons' control. To take out of TD's playbook: she was covering for him when he was arrested, she was covering for him when she had the properties signed over, she was even running around with CN gathering up DM's dog when there was a missing man. MB enabled DM and covered for him every step of they way, even protecting his money. No care for TB or TB's family at all. If this is what money does to a person, I'm glad I have to work for a living. IMHO, MB would never hold her son accountable. MOO

Well said. I couldn't agree with you more, on all points. IMO MB definitely played the part of the enabler, not only after the murder but perhaps throughout DM's life. I also wonder if MB helped transport those jailhouse letters to CN? I doubt any lawyer would risk his/her career to do this.
Perhaps we'll hear much more about MB as all three cases begin to unfold?

MOO

 

[Quaere_veritatem]

I don't think MB will testify, she has little to a offer for either side. For the prosecution, yes there was a trailer in my driveway, no I don't know what in it. I was not aware of DMs thieving ways, he lived with his Dad. For the defense, yes he was a lovely child, I don't know what he's been up to the last couple of years, he lived with his Dad. Overall no value or relevance to the trial.

 

[jash]

would that be a reason she (MB) has not been in court?

If you're asking whether an expected witness would be excluded from the courtroom, the answer is yes. So *if* MB was going to be called as a witness, that would explain her absence.

I happened to be at the courthouse last week on an unrelated matter, and I went by the main room (legal arguments were happening at the time) and the overflow room. Both had signs on the door stating witnesses were not permitted inside.

Typically once a witness has testified and been cross examined, they are allowed to attend the rest of the trial (like Sharlene, who was the first witness called).

 

[Inspector_North]

By early May, the snow would be gone and the fields dried up, an important consideration if you didn't want equipment to leave ruts or get stuck. You can't easily get equipment out of the barn when there are snow banks in the way.

That accounts for about 4 of his 12 month search. IMO

Oh! And he was busy June and November of 2012 with other plans. October was mission month. MOO

 

[brightii]

I wonder if DM is racist?

Me too, matou. It would be in keeping with his superiority complex, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[jash]

If anyone is interested in DM's opinion on Indian take-out in "Etobes", here's his Yelp review from 2011: https://www.yelp.ca/user_details?userid=ifCl1ZzDEsU_69NpJisRug

It's fascinating that he would use the nickname "Dellen the felon" publicly. No surprise that MS misspelled it in his contacts.

 

[brightii]

If you're asking whether an expected witness would be excluded from the courtroom, the answer is yes. So *if* MB was going to be called as a witness, that would explain her absence.

I happened to be at the courthouse last week on an unrelated matter, and I went by the main room (legal arguments were happening at the time) and the overflow room. Both had signs on the door stating witnesses were not permitted inside.

Typically once a witness has testified and been cross examined, they are allowed to attend the rest of the trial (like Sharlene, who was the first witness called).

Thanks, Jash! So if I understand correctly, even witnesses who are on the Do Not Contact (DNC) list, once they finish testifying are permitted to sit in the gallery and listen to the proceedings, as SB did? SB and TB's family are on the DNC list, IMO. I had asked about this before but didn't receive an answer.

If true, I would find it interesting that some witnesses whom I perceive as supporters of DM or MS, once done on the stand, would not take the opportunity to appear in court to support their friend, IMO, i.e. LW2, SS.

All MOO.

 

[brightii]

If anyone is interested in DM's opinion on Indian take-out in "Etobes", here's his Yelp review from 2011: https://www.yelp.ca/user_details?userid=ifCl1ZzDEsU_69NpJisRug


It's fascinating that he would use the nickname "Dellen the felon" publicly. No surprise that MS misspelled it in his contacts.

Wow! That's quite the profile, and very revealing of DM's nature, IMO.

DM says his favourite movie is Largo Winch. When I looked up that movie, this is the description I found: "After a billionaire is murdered, his secret son must establish legitimacy to avoid losing a financial empire."

All MOO.

 

[jash]

Thanks, Jash! So if I understand correctly, even witnesses who are on the Do Not Contact (DNC) list, once they finish testifying are permitted to sit in the gallery and listen to the proceedings, as SB did? SB and TB's family are on the DNC list, IMO. I had asked about this before but didn't receive an answer.

If true, I would find it interesting that some witnesses whom I perceive as supporters of DM or MS, once done on the stand, would not take the opportunity to appear in court to support their friend, IMO, i.e. LW2, SS.

All MOO.

Maybe ABro can confirm, but I believe that is the case.

If I'm not mistaken, the Do Not Contact list stems from a non-communication order the judge issued (http://www.criminal-code.ca/crimina...n-743-21-1-non-communication-order/index.html). That order prohibits the offender from directly or indirectly communicating with those identified in the order. Once a witness has been excused by the judge, I don't see why he or she would not be able to sit in the public gallery. If the offender tried to communicate with him/her, the offender would be in breach of the order.

I'm actually curious about something... if DM and MS are on each other's DNC lists (I read that often co-accused are included), could DM's stares and smirks at MS be considered non-verbal communication? The two of them sit side-by-side at a table.

As for why supporters like SS, LW and LW2 might not come back to court (even if allowed), it could be because they don't live nearby and have daytime jobs. It could also be because they don't want to face the "Bosma army" and prosecutors again. I was surprised at how small the courtroom actually was -- it's very intimate.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Ann Brocklehurst ‏@AnnB03 5h5 hours ago
As Crown calls final witnesses in #TimBosma case, here are opening statement, cell pings map http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2016/02/tim-bosma-trial-the-crowns-opening-statement.html … https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1G--i1rEFWcY278Ev0zkjV3GjHMgKtUidhcvoPQpy0EM/edit?usp=sharing …

 

[mimimic]

I feel sick and nervous about this week. anyone else?

 

[Georgeo]

I hope defence doesn't cloud jury's thoughts with a real bbq in the plans and create reasonable doubt. Rest of evidence is rock solid so I hope jury are intelligent enough not to be swayed by the defence muddying the water for them.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I feel sick and nervous about this week. anyone else?

Any particular reason?

Also, welcome new members.

 

[Sillybilly]

It doesn't strike me odd. It doesn't matter if someone is particularly liked by a group of friends, gamers, colleagues, or members of a forum, if a quip is somehow relevant and amusing, it can result in a nickname that sticks. It's the nature of inside jokes. It may have stuck primarily because it was MS, presented as being on the fringes of the group, who initially said it.

I agree. Given MS and AM weren't close, and both names end in 'ski', I can see MS inadvertently saying Kowalski and others ran with it because they found it funny.

 

[redwing7225]

I feel sick and nervous about this week. anyone else?

IMO, it's critical for all to use wise mind during this process.
Keep in mind that many of those who testified for the Crown were followers of DM, some of those told half-truths and others seemed to weave a nasty Web. (IMO )
Look at the fact evidence presented, cell phone info, DNA, locations, videos, etc. The Crown has done an amazing job presenting with lots to come.
Strength to the Bosma family, friends and supporters and have faith in the justice system.

 

[brightii]

I'm reviewing billandrew's awesome Timeline today, and I hope we'll hear from Wishbone. Wishbone texts to and from DM are within minutes of DM (or AM) looking up TB's truck ad on DM's computer, and within minutes of DM contacting TB on May 4th.

Also it's really curious to me if AM and MS were only casual acquaintances, linked only by their mutual friend DM, as per AM's testimony, why MS's girlfriend, MM would contact AM to ask if AM knew where MS was on the morning of May 7th - especially since MM called AM at 6:00 am no less, IMO. That indicates to me that AM and MS were more than likely actually friends, IMO. I wonder if MM contacted any other among MS's friends that morning, like BD, MS's best friend for instance, when she was worried about MS's whereabouts? Had MM texted or called DM when MM couldn't reach MS?

Tomorrow hopefully we will have more contexts added to the messages we've seen so far, IMO. In early hours on May 6th after the failed IT test drive the previous day that perhaps didn't go as planned because MS was sick, IMO, MS wrote at 3:35 am: "330 woke up in pain." and then: "Going to burn and go back to sleep, this sucks.", IMO. I think MS was genuinely ill on May 5th and in the early morning of May 6th, from what I don't presume to know, but MS's reference to "going to burn" meant he was going to smoke a joint, IMO. It may not be the usual painkiller for most, but it may have been MS's go-to drug of choice for whatever was ailing him, IMO.

Back to my reading.....


All MOO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I agree. Given MS and AM weren't close, and both names end in 'ski', I can see MS inadvertently saying Kowalski and others ran with it because they found it funny.

http://www.metrolyrics.com/kowalski-lyrics-primal-scream.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Hits

Maybe, it has to do with this song or the story around "Kowalski"? AM perhaps is a "racer" and doesn't love only speed but also this song (maybe drugs involved when listening)? Because of "ski" in both names MS created a connection? "Mi negro" :dunno: is an additive with certain meaning we don't know exactly yet?

 

[MsSherlock]

Well said. I couldn't agree with you more, on all points. IMO MB definitely played the part of the enabler, not only after the murder but perhaps throughout DM's life. I also wonder if MB helped transport those jailhouse letters to CN? I doubt any lawyer would risk his/her career to do this.
Perhaps we'll hear much more about MB as all three cases begin to unfold?

MOO

IMHO, since MB and CN were teaming it up to look after DM's affairs shortly after his arrest, I wouldn't put anything past her in concern to assisting in communication after. It would kind of suck for CN since she's the one facing the charges. IMHO, unless we buy into the Harry Potter owl carrying DM's letters out of jail, someone with 2 legs had to have carried them out. IMO, the choices are limited. Of course the most important thing on the "to do" list after your son is arrested for "forceable confinement" & "auto theft" with the owner of the truck still missing, is make sure you have control over your sons finances. Guess you have to make sure that there's no problem with the payroll- why should SS and MB have to suffer by not getting paid?

Don't think about getting in there and telling him to stop lying- don't worry about SB and family begging for his return. I don't care how much I loved my son, there would be no way the sun would set until I told LE about the trailer in my driveway and I wouldn't be telling the lawyer complete fantasies about my sons accomplishments. But no- pass onto DP how it's absurd that your son could ever be involved in something like this. Think of yourself and how you're going to spin this to your friends and family. Get DP to tell the world how accomplished DM is, how he excels at everything, how educated he is, what a good son he is...and most of all, make sure everyone knows how wealthy he is, while forgetting to mention the trailer in your driveway and how your son has never really had a job or excelled at anything. Seriously, I don't know why her and CN don't have matching ankle bracelets. We now know that everything DP was given to say by MB during that first press conference, aside for DM attending the TFS, was a lie. MOO

 

[brightii]

Her brother had no trouble .......

IMO, this is an unfair comparison. It would be much more difficult for a mother or father to testify against their own child than it would be for an aunt or an uncle, IMO, especially when they are not close or have past issues that affected the relationship, IMO. The bond between parents and children is usually intense and complex, IMO, and IMO it is hard to break or betray for most people, even when it's the right thing to do, as it is IMO, in this case. Fortunately for most of us we will not likely ever be subjected to such a test of loyalty or integrity, IMO.

All MOO.