Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #13

[jash]

Perhaps the helpful "messenger" ....?

Could be. Does anyone know if lawyers are able to go into a client's cell, unsupervised?

 

[jash]

Are we sure it is AM's arm? I wonder who the woman is in the tattoo? It is really disturbing to me that these characters put themselves out there with no filters like they don't care what anyone thinks, IMO. If this tattoo isn't a message for DM or others, why post it for all to see? I don't understand at all.

All MOO.

IMO the person in the photo looks thinner than AM did coming and going from the courthouse, but it would be weird to use a photo of another guy as your profile pic. Maybe it's an older photo, in which case choosing to post it now does seem like a message.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I don't think a gory horror video is evidence of MS's personality at all. It was supposedly done for Hallowe'en for a friend who makes this kind of movie and posts them online, IMO. Do you think Stephen King has the personality of a murderer because his imagination is so dark and can easily conjure up grisly death scenes and describe them in detail in his fiction books? Millions of regular people have a fascination with horror books, movies and videos and most are not killers and most don't have any propensity for killing innocent people, IMO.

Same argument as above about violent rap lyrics, and they prove nothing about MS's involvement in the murder of TB in my opinion. Both of these examples are actually considered common art forms in pop culture, and IMO most people who partake in making or watching horror films or creating or listening to rap music don't have an actual propensity for violence, IMO - it's just an entertaining outlet for them, IMO. It's not my cup of tea and it's offensive to me, but I know lots of very nice average folks who do like this sort of thing.

Pictures of MS with a gun IMO could have an innocent explanation, among them, it could have been considered a prop for one of his rap videos he was planning to make, IMO. I don't think BD thought of MS as violent IMO, I think he said he showed him some violent videos and that he thought MS was edgy and ill-tempered at times and BD at times felt intimidated by MS, IMO. Had BD actually been afraid of MS I don't believe he would have been happy to hang out with MS on a daily basis smoking weed, IMO. MM's testimony was clarified to say that MS had hit her on one occasion and that she told him there would be consequences and he did not repeat the abuse, IMO. MM came across to me as a feisty character who had no trouble calling out MS on his bad behaviour or BS, IMO.

I think there are so many holes in the testimony of all those involved or associated with both MS and DM and that leaves me with some unanswered questions and with reasonable doubts, some of which I don't feel comfortable about sharing here, IMO. I would not want to have dinner with DM, MS, or ANY of those associated with them, but the trial is about finding DM and/or MS guilty or not guilty of 1st degree murder. A not guilty verdict does not equate to innocence necessarily, IMO, although an innocent person can be found not guilty just as a guilty person can be found not guilty, IMO. I hope a just verdict will be delivered by the jury and I trust it will be, IMO.

I am not trying to convince you or anyone else to view MS as I do, but I don't think yet I can say he is proved guilty, IMO.

All MOO.

I don't know who is more capable of murdering someone: DM or MS. I think both are if they are acting together.
I remember MS' best friend saying MS did always look very serious when he talked or even made jokes of violence. Why did BD mention that specific impression? He as his best friend seemingly thought it might not only be a joke but would become true one day through his friend in some form and under special cirumstances. He was afraid of him some times but on the other hand he needed MS for buying his daily weed, drinking heavily and hanging out with him on the front porch.
I remember also that MS' pot customers at the schoolyard said he was somehow scary and they didn't like to be around him.

Maybe, DM accepted MS' dark side and gloomy thoughts and even felt like a soul mate to him and had great fun/satisfaction (maybe sexual too) of leading MS into a situation where they both could act out their dark sides.

 

[Inspector_North]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga has been accepted to medical school. Her nickname is Rubix because she can complete the puzzle. "You can look it up online" she says


I believe she meant you can look up the Rubix's Cube algorithm online. I know several young folks that can solve it. They do have good math skills, but are not geniuses. https://how-to-solve-a-rubix-cube.com/

MOO

 

[Miranda16]

There seems to be a fundamental misconception here. A judge or a jury can convict a defendant they don't believe is telling the truth.

they require supporting evidence, though, don't they? That's what I'm suggesting; they must have evidence that we have not seen yet (saved for her trial in November)

 

[andreww]

I wonder why did MS say "I ****ed up" and DM also says "MS ****ed up"? This expression seems not to be as special as I think (with my low knowledge of English)?? All I believe is it doesn't mean "killing".

It could mean anything that he did to bring him to the situation he was in;

Being hungover Sunday
Agreeing to go on mission
Trusting Dell
Not listening to MM
The way he'd lived his life

These are all things that he could have been talking about. And also remember, even after he said he F'ed up, he still said Dell did everything, so it really doesn't make any sense that he would admit shooting TB and then blame it on Millard.

 

[andreww]

Could be. Does anyone know if lawyers are able to go into a client's cell, unsupervised?

Remember, Millard had offered up a shady lawyer to AM, so I think this is a likely scenario. In one of his letters doesn't he talk about spending time with MM, then complain that his "courier" hasn't shown up?

Me thinks it goes like this;

DM>Lawyer>MB>CN

And yes, Lawyer have a lot more privilege than visitors in prisons. He would definitely have unmonitored visits with his lawyer, not MM. And I don't see her being able to make that many drops and pickups without being caught.

 

[Miranda16]

You have a very good eye. I also notice that she has commented "pick your poison"

Since she is a night owl, she hasn't woken up yet to see the latest snide comment (from people who appreciate humanity), yet. I guess it will be gone by noon.

 

[ABro]

they require supporting evidence, though, don't they? That's what I'm suggesting; they must have evidence that we have not seen yet (saved for her trial in November)

Sure, but I find it strange how you wave away the evidence we've already seen as if it's meaningless. Her notes, the glove with dna, the phone messages, the DVR make a strong circumstantial case right there. Yes, she can say she knew nothing, but it will be up to the judge to decide if that makes sense even in the context of what we know already. Is her denial enough to raise reasonable doubt?

 

[Typhoo1961]

Remember, Millard had offered up a shady lawyer to AM, so I think this is a likely scenario. In one of his letters doesn't he talk about spending time with MM, then complain that his "courier" hasn't shown up?

Me thinks it goes like this;

DM>Lawyer>MM>CN

And yes, Lawyer have a lot more privilege than visitors in prisons. He would definitely have unmonitored visits with his lawyer, not MM. And I don't see her being able to make that many drops and pickups without being caught.

I think you mean MB.

 

[Miranda16]

The one person I wish I'd seen pics of was Igor. That's the only person the media didn't capture. Wish they had.

All comments are JMO unless stated otherwise

i was thinking the same thing. I recall an early press conference where a reporter asked police why the first person who went on the test drive escaped unharmed. The spokesman said something like "if you meet this guy, it's apparent that he could have easily taken on both [DM and MS] single-handedly"

I was discussing this with my brother and sister in law, saying how he had the Israeli Army background etc. The remark back was "isn't that pretty much everyone in Israel?" (As I think Don Quixote implied a few days ago on a WS thread). So he must be an especially imposing Israeli Army vet!

 

[Miranda16]

Thinking of actually driving up and putting some flowers from backyard. Afraid its gonna be too crowded that they'll have to regulate the traffic.

that's a nice idea.

Coincidentally I drove right past the Smich residence (shudder) yesterday since its on a direct route to an appointment I had (google took me right by it and I recognized the street name while passing). It's only 15 minute drive from my house but I had never gone that way before that I recall.

 

[mimimic]

I think page 18 and 19 of this thread has so many shockingly insightful/intelligent/brilliant posts! wow thanks to you who see so much!

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I definitely don't think you are reading too much into the letters. He doesn't even once in the letters claim to be innocent. He only talks about "beating the charge".
I found it so interesting that he is writing letters to his girlfriend and he doesn't once try to tell her that he didn't do the crime for which he is charged. We can assume that she never asks him, since there is not a response in any of his letters that replies to such a question. It seems to me, that the only way that there would be no mention or explanation of the charges would be because the person he is writing to already knows the answer and he knows that she knows the answer.
Otherwise, you would be wanting your girlfriend to know that you are innocent, that you were set up, or that LE has made a mistake. He only gives her "stories" for her to replace the truth that she already is aware about and use as her testimony and to influence AM's testimony.
Not the letters of an innocent man....and not the letters addressed to someone unaware. JMO

:thumb: and :drumroll:

Thank you!

DM hasn't even mentioned errors made by the media because CN knew it all, IMO.

 

[Inspector_North]

Famous quotes from the school of "Wile E. Coyote, Genius".

"We are immigrants to Canada... we don't know how the criminal justice system works."

“The trailer had my fingerprints, so I wiped it off ... I wasn’t tampering with possible evidence. I was removing it"

"This is Dell's mess not mine"

“I deserve you and you deserve me"

and

"Not in the law"

I was pretty sure I had heard the study of law excuse before. Remembered where this morning.
[video=youtube;3PzY_ro13UE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PzY_ro13UE[/video]

MOO

 

[ILoveDateline]

I was thinking about practising radio silence today in memory of TB. But, the commentary here, from you folk, is just too good.

Has anyone thought to interpret the nicknames DM assigned in his letters. Some are very clear, Coyote, etc.

Kodiak is obvious, as he also refers to AM as a bear. Clearly he was known for his size (no offence here, he is burly). IMO.

Itchy I think means itchy trigger finger for MS. Though someone else mentioned itchy due to drugs. I though that was just for injected drugs (? Really I have no clue) but we have only heard he smoked pot and maybe took oxy.

What is the name he had for MH? Snogg of snoff? What do you think that means?

Just curious. All MOO .

 

[andreww]

I think you mean MB.

Thanks, fixed!

 

[Velma]

I mean, who the hell outside of custody uses a pay phone anymore?

My 70-something grandma when she goes shopping and calls for a ride home.

Me, when my cell has died and I've needed a taxi.

Just two specific examples but I'm glad there are still a few pay phones around!

 

[andreww]

Sure, but I find it strange how you wave away the evidence we've already seen as if it's meaningless. Her notes, the glove with dna, the phone messages, the DVR make a strong circumstantial case right there. Yes, she can say she knew nothing, but it will be up to the judge to decide if that makes sense even in the context of what we know already. Is her denial enough to raise reasonable doubt?

Her notes - unless I'm missing something they don't relate to her participation
Phone messages - circumstantial at best. There were people her convinced "paper shredder" was code for "Incinerator".
DVR - Prove she didn't think it was a stereo. There was even a reference in the letters to a "stereo"

So far there has been nothing solid enough to put someone away for 10 years. Maybe they have more, maybe not.

 

[Inspector_North]

My 70-something grandma when she goes shopping and calls for a ride home.

Me, when my cell has died and I've needed a taxi.

Just two specific examples but I'm glad there are still a few pay phones around!

You have good legitimate examples. However you have to remember that the "Hole in the Hanger" gang were using cell phones all the time before May 10th 2013. Even "Ma Barker" used hers to contact #1 son. DM may have not had access to one, but MB using a pay phone was a deliberate attempt to not only break the no contact, but to elude tracking.

MOO