Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #13

[Abitcountry]

Lets just say for arguments sake, she actually had no clue that a crime had taken place. How different would the evidence be? When you consider evidence against Smich for instance, you always come back to the sausage fry and fireside furniture pics plus the duct tape & change of clothes. He is assumed innocent, there is circumstantial evidence (a lot of it), but those few thing just cannot be logically explained. With CN the same circumstantial evidence is there, but as of yet there hasn't been that "aha" piece of evidence that tells you she knew exactly what she was doing. Hopefully it will come, not sure from where though.

Honestly after all these weeks, I have yet to say that I have heard the "aha" piece of evidence.
This case has been built one brick at a time and it has taken almost 4 months to get to this point......this is the way real life works--bit by bit. So given what we have collectively experienced being on this site, I don't see whatever it is that may have led you to be expecting the big "aha" regarding Noudga.
In my own experience, the insights (aha moments) sneak up on me after I read post after post on a topic and the 'penny drops'....and sometimes it is not obvious to me at all but other poster's get on the trail of some other small but significant clue.
It is something like fishing....you can spend a lot of time with a line in the water and nothing more but someone close to me once explained it saying that's why they call it fishing and not catching.......WS is like fishing !

 

[RandomName479]

I don't think a gory horror video is evidence of MS's personality at all. It was supposedly done for Hallowe'en for a friend who makes this kind of movie and posts them online, IMO. Do you think Stephen King has the personality of a murderer because his imagination is so dark and can easily conjure up grisly death scenes and describe them in detail in his fiction books? Millions of regular people have a fascination with horror books, movies and videos and most are not killers and most don't have any propensity for killing innocent people, IMO.

Same argument as above about violent rap lyrics, and they prove nothing about MS's involvement in the murder of TB in my opinion. Both of these examples are actually considered common art forms in pop culture, and IMO most people who partake in making or watching horror films or creating or listening to rap music don't have an actual propensity for violence, IMO - it's just an entertaining outlet for them, IMO. It's not my cup of tea and it's offensive to me, but I know lots of very nice average folks who do like this sort of thing.

Pictures of MS with a gun IMO could have an innocent explanation, among them, it could have been considered a prop for one of his rap videos he was planning to make, IMO. I don't think BD thought of MS as violent IMO, I think he said he showed him some violent videos and that he thought MS was edgy and ill-tempered at times and BD at times felt intimidated by MS, IMO. Had BD actually been afraid of MS I don't believe he would have been happy to hang out with MS on a daily basis smoking weed, IMO. MM's testimony was clarified to say that MS had hit her on one occasion and that she told him there would be consequences and he did not repeat the abuse, IMO. MM came across to me as a feisty character who had no trouble calling out MS on his bad behaviour or BS, IMO.

I think there are so many holes in the testimony of all those involved or associated with both MS and DM and that leaves me with some unanswered questions and with reasonable doubts, some of which I don't feel comfortable about sharing here, IMO. I would not want to have dinner with DM, MS, or ANY of those associated with them, but the trial is about finding DM and/or MS guilty or not guilty of 1st degree murder. A not guilty verdict does not equate to innocence necessarily, IMO, although an innocent person can be found not guilty just as a guilty person can be found not guilty, IMO. I hope a just verdict will be delivered by the jury and I trust it will be, IMO.

I am not trying to convince you or anyone else to view MS as I do, but I don't think yet I can say he is proved guilty, IMO.

All MOO.

I'm late to the party.....ok - I can give you the video/lyrics (although i do believe it shows a tendency towards violence.....not everyone could come up with that.....but I agree that not all people who do this type of "art" commit murder.

However, I have a HUGE problem with someone saying that MS isn't violent because he only hit MM ONCE? It is NEVER ok to hit a woman. Never, ever, ever. MOO

I appreciate your viewpoint and often agree with what you have to say, so I am honestly asking the next question in sincerity......what evidence would you need to see to find MS guilty beyond a reasonable doubt?

 

[Jug Up]

Finally, I don't really understand this little game that is played on so many crime discussion sites where people seem to like to entertain/torture themselves with fears about whether the Crown has enough evidence. Why not just wait for the trial and see what they've got after months of investigation? What's the point of wringing your hands now, especially when there's nothing to suggest incompetence on behalf of the police or prosecutors.

Always enjoy reading your posts. This is an example of why.

 

[Gibson67]

IMO the person in the photo looks thinner than AM did coming and going from the courthouse, but it would be weird to use a photo of another guy as your profile pic. Maybe it's an older photo, in which case choosing to post it now does seem like a message.

I don't think it's him....this is the same arm he has the baha dessert tattoo on..unless he covered it.

nevermind I was wrong it was a pic of him in the mirror so the baha is on the other arm..still looks too small for his arm.

 

[SnooperDuper]

 

[CJPRINCESS]

... and she didn't know there were missions before midnight like "go shopping" and there were missions after midnight (which she did regularly with her lover) like "pick something up" which wasn't always owned by her millionair but by other people (maple trees owned by nursing home, riding lawnmowers owned by some company, bobcat owned by construction company, truck owned by TB). "Tiny missions" were going to move a huge device from A to B (for certainty to not get caught on something), to switch vehicle in an odd proceed, to drive one of 10 trailers to some place, and so on. NOT "tiny missions" were other ones - I would like to know what other ones in 3 years of being "his girl". She probably was his companion on these missions and was responsible for his special pleasure during the possible desolate and long ride (not listening to anything, not seeing anything, not mention anything except memorable sex). IMO and I believe it all

Not to mention she was with him 6 nights a week :thinking:
She seen nothing? Wow CN, the more you talked the worse ya sounded!

Also the payphone. She can't remember which payphone? Those are like unicorns now a days. Not like there is one on every corner lol
I'm not really sure what to make of all that. I'm sure we'll hear more at her trial about that.

As for instagram: she was at 55 before she took stand, now at 98. Why the heck are people giving her that boost? I don't have instagram but I laugh at the FB people that "collect" friends. They watch their numbers and get so pissy when they see one gone. IMO, she has kept her instagram open for that reason. To watch her number grow like she's famous, I think it gives her joy. I truly hope that these "new followers" are only instagram creepers. Like do they see more then someone just looking at her page?

 

[Mscree]

I don't think it's him....this is the same arm he has the baha dessert tattoo on..unless he covered it.

I believe it to be the opposite arm

 

[canadiangirl]

I believe it to be the opposite arm View attachment 93917

My my how this guy has changed. And not for the better.

 

[EspressoBean]

AM's tat is of LB saying "I remember"
He changed his profile pic this week. I don't think he was sending a message directly to DM but I think it was a statement to his friends and everyone and an indirect response to DM's "Never Forget"
jmo

 

[EspressoBean]

I believe it to be the opposite arm View attachment 93917

The new tat is on his right arm

 

[canadiangirl]

AM's tat is of LB saying "I remember"
He changed his profile pic this week. I don't think he was sending a message directly to DM but I think it was a statement to his friends and everyone and an indirect response to DM's "Never Forget"
jmo

Was he friends with LB? Do you know this as fact? Still gives me the creeps

 

[caseyjonesin905]

Not sure but don't care either. Poor taste IMO. Unless he's remembering TB which I highly doubt.. I think these heartless douches have done enough damage in a lifetime

Unless he's remembering Laura Babcock?? I do recall seeing something about AM being fond of her.. I beleive he also commented on some of her facebook photos.. DM mentioned CN's friend Karoline wanting to see pictures of them or meet them.. I beleive Karoline was also a friend of LB, and AM, and is actively mentioned on CN's instagram from time to time.. Karoline could be the connection for CN and AM to get together to talk.. I find it odd that he'd just mention that out of the blue.. why would she want to see them together, when it's obvious she's likely already done so.. This isn't the last time we're going to see these merry band of nitwits on the stand.. IMO

 

[Mscree]

She was listed as a friend on fb, I'm not sure I agree with EB on the memorial tat to her, but they were listed as being friends

 

[canadiangirl]

She was listed as a friend on fb, I'm not sure I agree with EB on the memorial tat to her, but they were listed as being friends

I forgot who was friends with her.. Rip LB. I hope they do all remember and are haunted every day

 

[andreww]

Finally, I don't really understand this little game that is played on so many crime discussion sites where people seem to like to entertain/torture themselves with fears about whether the prosecution has enough evidence. Why not just wait for the trial and see what they've got after months of investigation? What's the point of wringing your hands now, especially when there's nothing to suggest that charges are being laid gratuitously?

Well. you are here discussing it, so I think you do understand it. Bottom line is that CN was a witness for the crown in THIS trial, and they attempted to show that she was complicit in the cleanup after the crime, and they failed. Maybe they have more evidence but something tells me if they had a text from her talking specifically about moving Bosma's truck, or any other damning piece of evidence for that matter, the would have used it here. They didn't, and the frustration for the crown attorneys seemed quite obvious. My point is, if there is no "Saving evidence", one could rightly assume that they probably don't have stronger piece of evidence to present.

 

[mimimic]

Maybe if there are no golfers in the crowd here on WS there is also a lunch to attend that helps contribute a smaller amount. Maybe some of us could meet? ....or maybe there are golfers in the crowd. Is this naive and dangerous of me to put out there?! i kind of want to go/help some.

 

[puppyraiser]

If that tat is a tribute to LB, why post the picture now? Is he making a statement to CN and DM after the comments revealed in DM's letters?

 

[canadiangirl]

If that tat is a tribute to LB, why post the picture now? Is he making a statement to CN and DM after the comments revealed in DM's letters?

Which comments are you referring to?

 

[mimimic]

I don't think it's him....this is the same arm he has the baha dessert tattoo on..unless he covered it.

nevermind I was wrong it was a pic of him in the mirror so the baha is on the other arm..still looks too small for his arm.

It's him - same freckles.

 

[caseyjonesin905]

If that tat is a tribute to LB, why post the picture now? Is he making a statement to CN and DM after the comments revealed in DM's letters?

I hope so..
Don't forget it was a direct indictment for LB's trial too.. There's more than enough evidence for that trial too. IMO
Now that all the he said, she said stuff has come out in this trial - all the chips are going to fall into place on the next 2 trials for DM..