Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #4

[Ironworker736]

Now that we know there was an IT guy who installed the surveillance system in the hangar, it makes more sense to me why DM didn't just destroy the PVR. How do you explain that to your IT guy? Now if you trust IT guy enough to ask him how to erase the PVR and he says it's complicated, just unhook it and I'll do it for you later...well that's another option I guess too right?

MOO

If that were the case, would it not make more sense to have Chuckie retrieve the DVR himself, rather than CN getting it? Do we know what date she came into possession of it, or where she retrieved it from?

 

[Ironworker736]

I was also wondering...since it appears that LW contradicted her own testimony several times, and that court was back to legal arguments rather abruptly yesterday, could it be possible that they are considering something along the lines of a contempt of court or perjury charge against her? Just a thought and all speculation.

 

[SnooperDuper]

IMO, the value of Riverside had been inflated for finance purposes. In the Toronto market, if it had been priced correctly when it was originally listed at 4.2 million it would have certainly sold. The original listing indicated that DM had already obtained an appraisal of 4.2 million. IMO, even though appraisers have to use standard industry methods to determine values, it really doesn't surprise me that WM/DM were able to get an appraisal of this amount.

The fact it sat on the market for almost a year to finally sell for 1.4 million less is a good indicator that it was never worth 4.2 million in the first place. Also, when the Bank has a 3.7 million dollar charge against a property, the mortgage has to be paid off either with cash or other security on or before closing. Roseville closed in February/14 and RBC had a token mortgage on that property for 100K, thus that property couldn't be sold unless RBC was aware. IMO, the bank may have taken the proceeds from the farm to offset their charge on Riverside, allowing Riverside to sell for what it did. At the end of the day Riverside+Roseville=RBC loan. MOO

IMHO, while Sachak was questioning Williams, he hit home the fact that she was just an uneducated person who taught herself how to do bookkeeping entries. Considering that Millardair didn't have any business and just 3 people on the payroll, knowing that it was taking her 10 hours a month to make these entries is kind of problematic in itself- isn't it? Plus she didn't seem to be all that accurate of a bookkeeper ($1,800 mistaken as $18,000???) The D also made it clear that she didn't do DM's personal bookkeeping. So, LW wasn't particularly speedy or accurate and her knowledge was limited to what she could teach herself. And, if I'm not mistaken she still works for Millardair, processing the 5K a month payroll for their only employee MB, who happens to be DM's deceased fathers ex-wife. Even though MB took control of the Co after DM was arrested, it was still necessary for the bookkeeper to go and see DM in jail 6 times. It takes a special type of person to take the stand, swear under oath, get publicly noted by her clients lawyer as someone who doesn't know anything about what she's doing and then smile at her client when she finishes. MOO

Thank you once again for your insightful analysis.

Perhaps when LW saw the Tri-Star "Dairy" Centre invoice for the cremator unit, it didn't raise her eyebrows because everybody was "milking" Millard Air.

As AJ testified, DM didn't like people who got into his business and asked questions, and LW seems the perfect employee in that sense. DM in turn didn't ask what the heck she was doing for 10 hours a month filing for a company that had no income or ongoing business.

It seems that the activities that were going on and financed by Millard Air were DM's hobbies and vacations. (LW, don't ask!) That can't be legit. No wonder the bank wanted their money back.

DM also was willing to ignore all of WM's obligations (i.e., to buy equipment for the hangar as WM had told the bank).

LW had no reason to visit DM in jail because MB had power of attorney for him, and there is no way that she could exchange paperwork or get things signed as an ordinary visitor. Clearly her visits were only for "(im)moral support".

Of course, an easy 10 hours of billing for doing little to nothing per month might inspire some devotion. (You scratch my back...I'll scratch yours.)

 

[SnooperDuper]

I was referring to Agnew the NAPA auto parts guy saying sometimes HE had contact with Charlie the IT guy. As far as I know, he's the only one who called him that. But I suppose it's not really a stretch to call the IT guy the surveillance guy, or vice versa - especially if it's all set up digitally (as I would assume most systems are, these days).

I'm 99.99% positive there was discussion about the MA site on here years ago - but I seem to recall SS's name being attached to it somehow (registrant, contact, something), not Dubien's. Does anyone else remember that or am I dreaming that?

SS registered the domain name for the website.

 

[Abitcountry]

I was also wondering...since it appears that LW contradicted her own testimony several times, and that court was back to legal arguments rather abruptly yesterday, could it be possible that they are considering something along the lines of a contempt of court or perjury charge against her? Just a thought and all speculation.

:fence: Let's not dance around the issue, eh?

www.stephenjackcriminallawyer.ca
Tells it how it is ....Lying to the Police or the Court.

 

[SnooperDuper]

There is no court tomorrow, but when the jury comes back next week we expect to hear from an expert from the centre of forensic sciences on the blood that was found in Tim Bosma’s truck, where prosecutors say he was killed and on the hatch of the livestock incinerator, where prosecutors say his remains were destroyed.

http://www.chch.com/bosma-day-15/

 

[Ironworker736]

:fence: Let's not dance around the issue, eh?

www.stephenjackcriminallawyer.com
Tells it how it is ....Lying to the Police or the Court.

I couldn't open that link. Here's another...

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Law/Offences/Perjury

 

[Kamille]

SS registered the domain name for the website.

The Whois says different? Do you have anything that shows SS's name attached to the domain name?

https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.as...UYbnRM93tJYx4pP01v6qFV0nkVGly4EQet pYisXa8HkL

My personal opinion is that when DM was arrested, there was a lot of scrambling going on amongst the other "employees" to try to make this look like a legit business. For the benefit of the bank?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

The hangar (building asset) would still be listed in one of the companies, probably Millard Properties, but the property registration applies to the land which is owned by the local municipality.

ETA: the article states Millardair built the hangar for $6.4 million in 2011. That's a significant asset and I'm not clear if it was financed, although we have heard about a $3.7 million loan to buy new equipment. Can a building on leased land be used as collateral?

MillardAir, as a company, pretty much ceased to exist when CM died. Even when he was alive, towards the end, they were just selling off aircraft parts and scrap metal from the old planes AFAIK.

So there wasn't a lot of income being generated by the company for quite some time prior to WM's decision to rejuvenate the family name into an MRO in Waterloo after Pearson refused to renew the lease on the old hangar. From what I understand, WM got about 2 million for the Pearson hangar which I assume he put towards the new one. So the balance may have been financed? Which may be why he needed to use the Riverside Dr six-plex for collateral for the loan to purchase equipment after the hangar was completed. And that had to have jolted DM into the realization that the "coffers were running low" considering his interest in that six-plex.

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

The Whois says different? Do you have anything that shows SS's name attached to the domain name?

https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.as...UYbnRM93tJYx4pP01v6qFV0nkVGly4EQet pYisXa8HkL

My personal opinion is that when DM was arrested, there was a lot of scrambling going on amongst the other "employees" to try to make this look like a legit business. For the benefit of the bank?

MOO

just going by memory...I think the domain has been renewed since then. We didn't have CD's name back then, only SS's...remember, he used DM's hotmail email address but his own info for contact information.

 

[Kamille]

just going by memory...I think the domain has been renewed since then. We didn't have CD's name back then, only SS's...remember, he used DM's hotmail email address but his own info for contact information.

Okay yeah...that sounds familiar. The present registration is still good until 2017. It was created on Feb 21, 2013 and updated on June 23, 2015. Looks like CD has also been doing some contract work for MB. We can probably find that info in the old threads.

MOO

ETA: It still appears like even though the domain was registered on Feb 21, 2013, nothing was done with it until May 12, 2013?

 

[Abitcountry]

Thank you once again for your insightful analysis.

Perhaps when LW saw the Tri-Star "Dairy" Centre invoice for the cremator unit, it didn't raise her eyebrows because"everybody was "milking" Millard Air.:silly:

As AJ testified, DM didn't like people who got into his business and asked questions, and LW seems the perfect employee in that sense. DM in turn didn't ask what the heck she was doing for 10 hours a month filing for a company that had no income or ongoing business.

It seems that the activities that were going on and financed by Millard Air were DM's hobbies and vacations. (LW, don't ask!) That can't be legit. No wonder the bank wanted their money back.

DM also was willing to ignore all of WM's obligations (i.e., to buy equipment for the hangar as WM had told the bank. Don't think he knew or even cared--had his own agenda.

LW had no reason to visit DM in jail because MB had power of attorney for him, and there is no way that she could exchange paperwork or get things signed as an ordinary visitor. Clearly her visits were only for "(im)moral support". :laughcry:

Of course, an easy 10 hours of billing for doing little to nothing per month might inspire some devotion. (You scratch my back...I'll scratch yours)

......*** And seriously, you are still not believing that LW was only getting paid $10.25 dollars/hour. More like an annual stipend $10,000 for the year to do the books and seal your lips.

 

[Kamille]

If that were the case, would it not make more sense to have Chuckie retrieve the DVR himself, rather than CN getting it? Do we know what date she came into possession of it, or where she retrieved it from?

She received it from DM on the evening of May 9th into the morning of May 10th. He was nervous and handing off stuff until he could see if AJ's call to crimestoppers netted any LE action at his hangar IMO. If LE had not shown up on the 10th at the hangar, he likely would have gotten the PVR from CN and taken it to CD to wipe and then reinstall it.

MOO

 

[Abitcountry]

I couldn't open that link. Here's another...

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canadian_Criminal_Law/Offences/Perjury

Thanks.....oh damn.... Try again with .ca. Ouch

 

[Kamille]

Also with these new revelations this week, why wasn't RK, the VP of operations, on the payroll? :thinking:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130512004955/http://www.millardair.com

 

[SnooperDuper]

Also with these new revelations this week, why wasn't RK, the VP of operations, on the payroll? :thinking:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130512004955/http://www.millardair.com

I think RK will testify, and given his b school education, he'll be able to opine expertly.

I think RK was out of the picture in short order...gone well by the time DM was arrested.

 

[Kamille]

Okay here is the original ARIN registration that we saw back in 2013. Registered by SS June 6, 2012. Wrong address and used DM's email.

http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/SCHLA-ARIN

 

[billandrew]

Also with these new revelations this week, why wasn't RK, the VP of operations, on the payroll? :thinking:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130512004955/http://www.millardair.com

He didn't have to be an employee, although "VP of Operations" is quite the title for a contractor. My guess is he was invoicing Millardair just like LW was. JMO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

He didn't have to be an employee, although "VP of Operations" is quite the title for a contractor. My guess is he was invoicing Millardair just like LW was. JMO.

Well IMO the main difference between "employee" and "contractor" is benefits. Otherwise there's no real difference.

 

[Ironworker736]

He didn't have to be an employee, although "VP of Operations" is quite the title for a contractor. My guess is he was invoicing Millardair just like LW was. JMO.

So, in your opinion, this seems to have been a very unconventional business they were running?