Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #5

[andreww]

When you buy your weed you buy wholesale and sell retail. That means you have a couple of units you can sell for pure profit - or use personally. You only need to sell a small amount to earn a commission that will have you stoned all day...which will be helpful as you kill time waiting for people to drop by and pick up your sales. It is totally possible to be a chronic and sell pot and not get into any money trouble. If you sell only a bit and smoke all your commissions you will never get rich, but if you sell just a bit more you'll have both smoke for yourself and commission. There's only so much pot you can smoke in a day.

Nothing found in Smich's room to indicate that. Where is the scale? Where are the baggies? Smich is a casual user, he always has a little bit and probably constantly hits up buddies to smoke their supply. There is a huge difference between users and sellers, and I guarantee you Smich isn't a seller.

 

[Ironworker736]

When you buy your weed you buy wholesale and sell retail. That means you have a couple of units you can sell for pure profit - or use personally. You only need to sell a small amount to earn a commission that will have you stoned all day...which will be helpful as you kill time waiting for people to drop by and pick up your sales. It is totally possible to be a chronic and sell pot and not get into any money trouble. If you sell only a bit and smoke all your commissions you will never get rich, but if you sell just a bit more you'll have both smoke for yourself and commission. There's only so much pot you can smoke in a day.

Further to that, I personally have never met a weed dealer who wasn't a daily user. (Don't read too much into that, people)

 

[SomeITGuy]

There's only so much pot you can smoke in a day.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!! (joking of course!)

 

[Gumshew]

When you buy your weed you buy wholesale and sell retail. That means you have a couple of units you can sell for pure profit - or use personally. You only need to sell a small amount to earn a commission that will have you stoned all day...which will be helpful as you kill time waiting for people to drop by and pick up your sales. It is totally possible to be a chronic and sell pot and not get into any money trouble. If you sell only a bit and smoke all your commissions you will never get rich, but if you sell just a bit more you'll have both smoke for yourself and commission. There's only so much pot you can smoke in a day.

Agreed, but I did know someone who managed to do it and he got beaten to within an inch of his life. He was possibly free sharing a bit too much with his pothead friends. A good business person he was not.

I guess then we can extrapolate why MS seems to be able to afford so little.

 

[Gumshew]

challenge accepted!! (joking of course!)

lol!!

 

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[Abitcountry]

(Re possible drug binge.)

Respectfully, but are you folks suggesting the only reason DM and MS abducted and murdered a guy for his truck is because they were on a coke binge? Or do you mean the sloppiness that followed in the days afterwards?

I realize no one has explicitly claimed this, but I can't figure out where else the drift of drug talk is leading.

If you mean the late/sleepless nights cleaning up, I suspect a lot of that was adrenaline.

Some folks find courage in the bottle....I have no trouble believing that DM and MS fuelled themselves up on cocaine or something similar.
Lack of sleep was likely a contributing factor to frenetic activity and chaos during the cleanup...but I wouldn't dismiss drug consumption as well.
The initial crime is simply maniacal and without rhyme or reason. So beyond the capabilities of the average mind to conceive and execute that it is not at all difficult to believe that serious drugs were involved. IMHO

 

[Ironworker736]

Nothing found in Smich's room to indicate that. Where is the scale? Where are the baggies? Smich is a casual user, he always has a little bit and probably constantly hits up buddies to smoke their supply. There is a huge difference between users and sellers, and I guarantee you Smich isn't a seller.

Not that any of this matters, but you are basing your guarantee off of what? One or two still images of one area of one room? There is clearly drug paraphernalia in those images, yet we haven't heard evidence about it. I'd even bet that the dugout (under the zig zags) contains weed, yet no evidence presented on the matter (thus far). I think guaranteeing something like this is a bit of an over-statement. JMO

 

[Juballee]

The only "evidence" we have of any addictions are a few reports of MS smoking weed on the porch, a pack of rolling papers and a suspected (cheap, plastic, non-durable) weed grinder (that suggests he wasn't hard-core because then he'd have a metal one that would last).

Weed is cheap to smoke - the cheapest "addiction" you can have, and if you run out, the drug does not compel you to go out and perform B&E's to get more...to the contrary, the solution might just be to go to bed. It is not a gripping "addiction".

Perhaps MS is "addicted" to weed. How much weed is that? It would make MS lazy, demotivated and a follower that doesn't think clearly about what he's about to get into.

Perhaps DM used MS's weed "addiction" against him...told him he wanted to steal a truck and the stoner MS said duh, okay...totally unsuspecting that someone would end up being killed.

My point had nothing at all to do with 'weed', and as a long time activist for the rights of patients to access medical cannabis, my arguement with this would be on whether or not weed is cheap, addictive or it automatically makes everyone lazy and demotivated.

My point was to say that although some are lumping them in together as being the same, they are strikingly different in many regards, and that was one way in which they appear different to me. MS had the look of someone who was coming down off of something, even if it was just the beating he may have taken that gave him that black eye. Eyewitnesses described him as being withdrawn, hiding, and shady, but have described DM completely differently, as being open and friendly. I see a lot of contrast between the two, personally.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Nothing found in Smich's room to indicate that. Where is the scale? Where are the baggies? Smich is a casual user, he always has a little bit and probably constantly hits up buddies to smoke their supply. There is a huge difference between users and sellers, and I guarantee you Smich isn't a seller.

I just see a couple of packs of rolling papers (the second behind the fisherman's friend can) and maybe a pipe on the right near the skull doodle. I agree, currently just a user.

Agreed, but I did know someone who managed to do it and he got beaten to within an inch of his life. He was possibly free sharing a bit too much with his pothead friends. A good business person he was not.

I guess then we can extrapolate why MS seems to be able to afford so little.

Pot is nickle-and-dime drug dealing. Buy an ounce, that will give you 8 baggies, two are yours due to the difference between wholesale and retail. That leaves you with 2 bags to smoke over 2 days and 6 bags to move in the same time period, 3 customers a day. Not really a challenge. No big sums of money involved. That's how an "addict" supports himself.

 

[dar107]

The only "evidence" we have of any addictions are a few reports of MS smoking weed on the porch, a pack of rolling papers and a suspected (cheap, plastic, non-durable) weed grinder (that suggests he wasn't hard-core because then he'd have a metal one that would last).

Weed is cheap to smoke - the cheapest "addiction" you can have, and if you run out, the drug does not compel you to go out and perform B&E's to get more...to the contrary, the solution might just be to go to bed. It is not a gripping "addiction".

Perhaps MS is "addicted" to weed. How much weed is that? It would make MS lazy, demotivated and a follower that doesn't think clearly about what he's about to get into.

Perhaps DM used MS's weed "addiction" against him...told him he wanted to steal a truck and the stoner MS said duh, okay...totally unsuspecting that someone would end up being killed.

BBM Again, I am not sure how ones choice of cutting tool is any indication how much weed they smoke. IF DM was using an addiction against him, my guess would be a heavier drug such as crack cocaine, or prescription pills. To me MS appears like a user of something hardcore. Lots of crack cocaine users smoke weed to come down or to help chill out when the pipe runs dry.

I know of people who do not do drugs but use people who do, whether its to steal for them or do cheap labour. Now if your an addict who runs out of something such as crack....you will do just about anything to get some more when you are on a binge. The only point I am really trying to make is I believe MS may have been DM's Lacky, hence all those courtroom glares....his Lacky did not do a good job cleaning up tsk tsk.

 

[Juballee]

here's one closeup view of the pile of junk, notes added

I'm still super curious why no one wants to discuss the notepad with the drawing of a skull with a hole in the forehead here beside the can of axe? Can anyone tell what is bursting out of the skull?

 

[SnooperDuper]

My point had nothing at all to do with 'weed', and as a long time activist for the rights of patients to access medical cannabis, my arguement with this would be on whether or not weed is cheap, addictive or it automatically makes everyone lazy and demotivated.

Drug use changes the brain, and it doesn't matter why you chose to use the drug:

The stereotype of pot smokers as lackadaisical loafers is supported by new research: People who smoke marijuana regularly over long periods of time tend to produce less of a chemical in the brain that is linked to motivation, a new study finds.

They found that the long-term cannabis users tended to produce less dopamine, a "feel good" chemical in the brain that plays an important role in motivation and reward-driven behavior.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/02/marijuana-motivation-longtime-use-pot_n_3534031.html

My point was to say that although some are lumping them in together as being the same, they are strikingly different in many regards, and that was one way in which they appear different to me. MS had the look of someone who was coming down off of something, even if it was just the beating he may have taken that gave him that black eye. Eyewitnesses described him as being withdrawn, hiding, and shady, but have described DM completely differently, as being open and friendly. I see a lot of contrast between the two, personally.

I see Ms as someone that is taking this trial very seriously.

I see DM as somebody who thinks he's at a wine-and-cheese.

There is something truly twisted about DM's mind and demeanour.

 

[Ironworker736]

I'm still super curious why no one wants to discuss the notepad with the drawing of a skull with a hole in the forehead here beside the can of axe? Can anyone tell what is bursting out of the skull?

It looks like a tattoo idea he may have had. Probably nothing sinister. IMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I'm still super curious why no one wants to discuss the notepad with the drawing of a skull with a hole in the forehead here beside the can of axe? Can anyone tell what is bursting out of the skull?

It just looks like a decorative motif...there are other decorations on the top of the skull where you'd expect the artist to leave it blank.

 

[earlygirl]

Such a bad feeling when I see the doggies in this pic - instant recall I see a Photo of LB with a tiny white doggie -- same ?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Such a bad feeling when I see the doggies in this pic - instant recall I see a Photo of LB with a tiny white doggie -- same ?

LB had a Maltese with floppy ears...the thing in the hangar looks like a Westie with prick ears.

 

[Gumshew]

I'm still super curious why no one wants to discuss the notepad with the drawing of a skull with a hole in the forehead here beside the can of axe? Can anyone tell what is bursting out of the skull?

Just getting a sugar skull. Doesn't look like a hole in the forehead with stuff bursting out. It's more of a skull with added on side drawings of something. Would need a better closeup. Sharpen, de-noise, saturate.

 

[Juballee]

Just getting a sugar skull. Doesn't look like a hole in the forehead with stuff bursting out. It's more of a skull with added on side drawings of something. Would need a better closeup. Sharpen, de-noise, saturate.

Sugar skulls tend to be pretty, with vines and flowers added to them, and I'm not seeing that here. I'm seeing a sinister looking skull with a specific hole in the forehead and what looks like other bones or parts of skull bursting out around it.

Personally, I'm surprised that no one has suggested yet that DM drew it for him so that they could have matching tattoos to commemorate the occasion, lol. But seriously, pages have been devoted to whether or not DM's printing is childlike, but maybe these were the kinds of things found in the backpack that seemed childlike?

my opinion only

 

[JPC]

I'm still super curious why no one wants to discuss the notepad with the drawing of a skull with a hole in the forehead here beside the can of axe? Can anyone tell what is bursting out of the skull?

I am also interested in knowing if anyone can get a read on the motorcycle company that has produced the paper where the skull is drawn. Ditto for the name on the program behind it. It is yellow script and is upside down. There is also a second pack of rolling papers that is open and has something written on the pack in orange highlighter. MS doesn't seem to have a motorcycle but may have been at a shop that handed these pads of paper out. I know that a stolen motorcycle was found at the hangar. My apologies if this has been discussed

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