Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #6

[Claroon]

How long did all that take...was the time ever mentioned????

Yes it was about 12-15 min. It's on the spreadsheet. It is doable. I have pretty much done that trip a few times.

 

[Claroon]

How long did all that take...was the time ever mentioned????

It did say they went the the shed behind the bungalow. I wonder why? Temporary gun hiding spot? I didn't see a surveillance photo of what was described.I guess they didn't want to incriminate a homeowner perhaps. IMO

 

[Claroon]

Speaking of wearing gloves the whole time, DM and CN and TB's DNA were found on disposable nitrile gloves likely used for cleaning up the crime scene. MS's DNA was not found on any gloves. DM OTOH was arrested with the gloves in his pocket.

Seems like DM was the one who wiped it down and/or was wearing gloves the whole time.

There's no evidence to implicate MS.

Well he fits SB & other truck owner's description, he fits the profile of who is seen in the video, his freckled finger is on a photo holding a gun, he was seen with DM the next morning picking up MM. I don't think one person can lift a body into an incinerator by themselves. IMO

 

[Juballee]

That's what I understand through ABro's posts, where ABro is a professional researcher and writer working on the case. She has repeatedly posted that there have been no deals, that deals cannot be kept "secret", and there isn't even any reason for the Crown to make a deal because the ball is in their court. The Crown is not exactly stuck for evidence - there is loads, so much so that there was a direct indictment. The GG said the quality/nature of the evidence is such that the accused is likely to become convicted (paraphrasing). With such an incredibly strong case, why would the Crown be going around offering deals?

I believe that they only have to say that deals were made for cooperation if charges were previously laid against the informant. If say the person was only threatened with charges and talked, before charges were actually laid against them, that would not count as a deal and they would not have to disclose that information.

My opinion only.

 

[Juballee]

ok, found it, DM moved his red dodge ram to Cambridge, SS followed and then the 2 of them went to the hanger. Most likely that his red truck was also a stolen vehicle. IMO I hope we find out.

I find it very difficult to believe that the red Ram was also stolen and that LE are so incompetent that they never noticed.

 

[Juballee]

It did say they went the the shed behind the bungalow. I wonder why? Temporary gun hiding spot? I didn't see a surveillance photo of what was described.I guess they didn't want to incriminate a homeowner perhaps. IMO

DM and CN had dropped off the gun the night before, and if DM had hidden anything while being followed by LE, I have to assume LE would have found it.

 

[Abitcountry]

Yes it was about 12-15 min. It's on the spreadsheet. It is doable. I have pretty much done that trip a few times.

So 30 minutes round trip from the hangar and back.....just about the same amount of time that the Yukon was away from the hangar the night of May 6 and into the early hours of May 7....interesting IMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

I believe that they only have to say that deals were made for cooperation if charges were previously laid against the informant. If say the person was only threatened with charges and talked, before charges were actually laid against them, that would not count as a deal and they would not have to disclose that information.

My opinion only.

I think that's exactly what happened, with AM and SS. It is not a crime to know about a crime. I think they talked immediately to avoid being charged.

In the case of MWJ, he has no reason to make a deal. He was found not guilty in his first trial and in the next trial, the charges were thrown out. He's not facing any penalties so he has nothing to bargain for.

CN didn't talk until after her arrest and jailing. There's no reason for the Crown to reward her for talking at this late point.

 

[Satchie]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Trial-03-08-16-Day-21&p=12403641#post12403641


^ I am going by ABro's words...unlike the majority of posters here she is a professional and she also goes by her real name, meaning she stands behind what she says with her reputation (Altogether I take her as a respected and venerable resource.)

If she says no deals have been made and any deals that are made must be disclosed (i.e., information is available to journalists) then I believe her.

There is that Agreed Statement of Facts where Smich admits he was on the IT test drive, http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2016/02/by-special-request-day-4-of-the-tim-bosma-trial.html It must have been negotiated for some purpose, though perhaps just to keep evidence out of court that would have been embarrassing in some way.

 

[grillzgirl]

Is there a place on here where we can speak about the motive? I don't have one in mind but I would love to hear what other people are thinking.


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I also would like to hear what his friends and associates have to say. This case just boggles my mind. Why in the world would this guy steal a truck when he could easily buy one with his deep pockets and keep his tail out of jail? ("tail out of jail".....i just made a rhyme :laughing. I know motive has been discussed here but I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why in the world this guy would risk his freedom over a truck.

 

[Abitcountry]

Yes I noticed this also that the flash of light appears in the same spot every time. A light on tower along Powerline Road perhaps? Seems too low though. Other vehicles driving on Powerline Road and a break in the trees? I counted four flashes. MOO.

I took a poster's suggestion and placed paper on my screen to block out unnecessary lights both from the top and the left side. I was actually surprised at the small space that I had left to focus on....and it is difficult to make out anything even in the now smaller space.
The most interesting photo IMO is the still posted in black & white and again in colour...at least you have a chance of noting any repeating patterns or pixelated shapes...I was able to see 2 and then 3 shapes that reminded me of LEGO figures.

 

[Claroon]

So 30 minutes round trip from the hangar and back.....just about the same amount of time that the Yukon was away from the hangar the night of May 6 and into the early hours of May 7....interesting IMO

No not 30 min round, 15 round trip. I would insert the spreadsheet link but can't find it fast.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I also would like to hear what his friends and associates have to say. This case just boggles my mind. Why in the world would this guy steal a truck when he could easily buy one with his deep pockets and keep his tail out of jail? ("tail out of jail".....i just made a rhyme :laughing. I know motive has been discussed here but I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why in the world this guy would risk his freedom over a truck.

I think of Spencer Hussey's testimony that he would help DM with special projects like a car that doesn't run on gas...in an interview from jail he describes imagining up submarine living spaces. He seems like a fanciful thinker and perhaps with MS's influence his thoughts turned to executing the perfect robbery, which includes making someone disappear. I think it was another one of DM's half-baked ideas, this time under the influence of small time criminal MS.

I think the motive was to live out a crime fantasy and get a thrill and a reward (the truck). Unfortunately, reality struck hard 4 days later.

For a long time in the beginning I thought DM might be under the influence of ego-inflating drugs that make you think big ideas (i.e., cocaine) but now I think he's just naturally this way.

 

[Claroon]

There is that Agreed Statement of Facts where Smich admits he was on the IT test drive, http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2016/02/by-special-request-day-4-of-the-tim-bosma-trial.html It must have been negotiated for some purpose, though perhaps just to keep evidence out of court that would have been embarrassing in some way.

Thanks. I hadn't seen that. So if he did the same with TB then he would be in the back seat... IMO

 

[grillzgirl]

I think of Spencer Hussey's testimony that he would help DM with special projects like a car that doesn't run on gas...in an interview from jail he describes imagining up submarine living spaces. He seems like a fanciful thinker and perhaps with MS's influence his thoughts turned to executing the perfect robbery, which includes making someone disappear. I think it was another one of DM's half-baked ideas, this time under the influence of small time criminal MS.

I think the motive was to live out a crime fantasy and get a thrill and a reward (the truck). Unfortunately, reality struck hard 4 days later.

For a long time in the beginning I thought DM might be under the influence of ego-inflating drugs that make you think big ideas (i.e., cocaine) but now I think he's just naturally this way.

BBM

I agree. Something, somewhere, at some point in his life went terribly wrong. Now here he is 3 murders later.......(suspected at least).

 

[brightii]

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I don't think DM was loaded with money and I'm hoping more evidence will come to validate that opinion. I think he had access to a hangar and was involved in some nefarious activities (i.e. vehicle thefts and/or chop-shop) in that hangar for a number of months if not years before TB was murdered.

IMO, the history of his grandfather and father at MA attached to him the notion that he was wealthy and set for life, but I don't see it that way. WM's idea for the MRO was intended to secure DM's future, but for that to have become a successful venture, DM would have had to be actively involved and working on it for a very long time, IMO. He was not interested in that life so I agree that WM likely tried to exert some control over DM (but thinking of it as fatherly guidance) to direct DM because it seems to me DM was aimless since his teens and lacking in any true ambition. It is ironic to me that he had that word tattooed on himself. So much of DM to me, seems to be fixed on his immediate gratification without much effort if any into accomplishing goals that would have put him on a better track in life. He has not, IMO, demonstrated any real sense of adult responsibility, other than perhaps his real estate dealings which would not be that time consuming or burdensome in comparison to running an MRO, IMO.

I do believe that DM killed LB and then WM, and after WM was no longer an impediment to the fly-by-night lifestyle DM wanted, things in DM's life only unraveled more, leading to his plan with MS to steal a truck for the race, and I think he had a willingness to kill its owner if the need arose. It was only 5 months after WM's death when DM was free of any authority figure and he had no skills to conduct himself in a mature way, IMO. I imagine he had been overindulged in some ways by his parents as a youngster and young man to his detriment, and denied real love and a sense of security that might have fostered a more well-balanced person in him in manhood. All of this is just my speculation.

I do think when one loses their moral compass, or has not had a strong one instilled in them in their formative years, evil can fill the void. Of course there is something very radically wrong with both DM and MS in my opinon, or anyone who commits murder of a totally innocent stranger for their own gain, but I don't think either DM or MS would be considered criminally insane, IMO.

Yes, this case evokes great emotion in us all. I hope for TB's family and friends, and all those whose emotions will be forever affected by such a senseless act, will find healing. Heaven knows they deserve it.

All MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

I don't think DM was loaded with money and I'm hoping more evidence will come to validate that opinion. I think he had access to a hangar and was involved in some nefarious activities (i.e. vehicle thefts and/or chop-shop) in that hangar for a number of months if not years before TB was murdered.

I dunno. Every way I count it, he had millions, and even if every financial disaster possible hit him, he'd still have millions. He might have had cashflow problems where it was temporarily difficult for him to access money, but there's no denying that he's stinking rich.

I think the hangar had become a hangout/clubhouse for his buddies.

IMO, the history of his grandfather and father at MA attached to him the notion that he was wealthy and set for life, but I don't see it that way. WM's idea for the MRO was intended to secure DM's future, but for that to have become a successful venture, DM would have had to be actively involved and working on it for a very long time, IMO. He was not interested in that life so I agree that WM likely tried to exert some control over DM (but thinking of it as fatherly guidance) to direct DM because it seems to me DM was aimless since his teens and lacking in any true ambition. It is ironic to me that he had that word tattooed on himself. So much of DM to me, seems to be fixed on his immediate gratification without much effort if any into accomplishing goals that would have put him on a better track in life. He has not, IMO, demonstrated any real sense of adult responsibility, other than perhaps his real estate dealings which would not be that time consuming or burdensome in comparison to running an MRO, IMO.

But have you ever been on the receiving end of really bad life guidance from your parents? Rushed into a marriage you regretted? Forced to work in your father's shadow, after your father's interests? Not everyone welcomes parental control (a.k.a. guidance) in the same way. Some rebel, and that's fair: left to go their way they can excel in another field. I feel if parental control is too rigid, some kids will fight against everything. DM described himself as "an extension of another life", but did he want a life enmeshed with his father's or did he want his own life of his own? His heavy-drinking father held $12 million over his head. I'm actually quite compassionate towards DM over his forced identity as a cloned Millard.

I do believe that DM killed LB and then WM, and after WM was no longer an impediment to the fly-by-night lifestyle DM wanted, things in DM's life only unraveled more, leading to his plan with MS to steal a truck for the race, and I think he had a willingness to kill its owner if the need arose.

I think DM was so successful in his first two murders that he planned to kill the third time.

It was only 5 months after WM's death when DM was free of any authority figure and he had no skills to conduct himself in a mature way, IMO. I imagine he had been overindulged in some ways by his parents as a youngster and young man to his detriment, and denied real love and a sense of security that might have fostered a more well-balanced person in him in manhood. All of this is just my speculation.

I do think when one loses their moral compass, or has not had a strong one instilled in them in their formative years, evil can fill the void. Of course there is something very radically wrong with both DM and MS in my opinon, or anyone who commits murder of a totally innocent stranger for their own gain, but I don't think either DM or MS would be considered criminally insane, IMO.

Yes, this case evokes great emotion in us all. I hope for TB's family and friends, and all those whose emotions will be forever affected by such a senseless act, will find healing. Heaven knows they deserve it.

All MOO.

I think ironically it is the rigidity in the family, where DM had to be like WM who had to be like CM, that caused all the problems. DM wasn't allowed to have his own identity as the car guy in the family - he had to be in aviation, and to force that point WM threw a fortune at the hangar project.

 

[matou]

Why doesn't CN call DM's cell phone from May 6-8? Did she know what was going on? Did she have her own burner phone? Sorry, not buying that a young female gf wouldn't be on her phone and at least attempt to phone her bf. MM was constantly communicating with MS from what I can tell.

 

[Typhoo1961]

I don't believe that the guy is 100% evil.

Murdering and stuffing people into incinerators makes him look like Hitler in my eyes and to me that is 110% evil and I hope he gets the same as Paul Bernardo got. MOO

It's too bad we can't hang murderers in this country.

 

[Satchie]

Why doesn't CN call DM's cell phone from May 6-8? Did she know what was going on? Did she have her own burner phone? Sorry, not buying that a young female gf wouldn't be on her phone and at least attempt to phone her bf. MM was constantly communicating with MS from what I can tell.

I can think of a couple possibilities: their relationship was one where she wasn't allowed to call/text him, he called her; they did communicate but LE left those one's out because they weren't relevant to tracking DM's movements during critical times.