Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #6

[Sillybilly]

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[Arnie M]

Another story I have always wondered about, it was reported by Maple Gate neighbours that a 'group of young men' were seen doing 'landscaping' shortly after May 6 were they not? How does that play into our timeline? I am wondering if anything was ever found IN THE GROUND at Maple Gate? MOO

Yes , I remember that too .... the neighbor said they were doing remedial work .... kinda strange considering how busy they were with all those other things. One of those neighbors also had a camera on his garage . Never heard anything more about it.

Prairie_dawg I happened to come across the CBC video where the neighbour on Maple said he saw DM and others doing remedial work in the back yard around 6:00 pm Tuesday and Wednesday (May 6 & 7 2013)

Go to 1:39 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/missing-ontario-man-s-truck-believed-found-1.1317095

 

[Arnie M]

We all assumed that DM Wanted a truck for towing..

What if the new trailer was being built for his new BAJA truck in the full size production truck class?

Are there any specs or images of the new trailer?

a production truck class vehicle image link


http://www.roadarmor.com/images/cache/big_dog_04_jpg_f0d2536de97b321400b7a60e3f204949.jpg

Not sure how and didn't want to post the actual image of the Dodge 3500 Baja race truck

Napper

Cannot locate the picture at the moment but there was an open trailer removed from the hangar (hauled away on a tow truck deck) ... I beleive it was also towing the stolen Harley trailer.

My guess it is the trailer SS was building , the one DM was anxious to get finished .... my guess it was to haul the race jeep , and TB's truck was to tow the trailer

I base that on the fact that the previous trip to Baja they used that huge enclosed trailer containing only a small jeep , and with all the wind resistance it would eat double the fuel compared to a small open trailer towed by a diesel (Tims truck)

I have towed those large enclosed trailers with dual wheeled trucks and it is not very relaxing for a long trip , the dual wheels take up the whole lane , not very maneuverable in parking lots , wind gusts toss them around a bit on the highway , the enclosed trailer blocks all rear visibility , and besides , a battered race jeep does not need to be protected (enclosed)

Tim's truck and the smaller trailer would have solved those issues.

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[Arnie M]

Prairie_dawg I happened to come across the CBC video where the neighbour on Maple said he saw DM and others doing remedial work in the back yard around 6:00 pm Tuesday and Wednesday (May 6 & 7 2013)

Go to 1:39 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/news/missing-ontario-man-s-truck-believed-found-1.1317095

EDIT to correct the dates to May 7 & 8 2013

 

[Typhoo1961]

Cannot locate the picture at the moment but there was an open trailer removed from the hangar (hauled away on a tow truck deck) ... I beleive it was also towing the stolen Harley trailer.

Is this the picture you want?

http://i40.tinypic.com/in8zlc.jpg

 

[Boudica]

I find it very difficult to believe that the red Ram was also stolen and that LE are so incompetent that they never noticed.

How do you know that LE haven't noticed that the red ram was a stolen? Just because they haven't said doesn't mean it wasn't stolen. Sounds like there may have been stolen vehicles in the hanger, however, I don't believe LE has given out any more information.

 

[SnooperDuper]

How do you know that LE haven't noticed that the red ram was a stolen? Just because they haven't said doesn't mean it wasn't stolen. Sounds like there may have been stolen vehicles in the hanger, however, I don't believe LE has given out any more information.

A cherry red 2005 Dodge Ram 3500 was registered to Millard Holdings Ltd., an amalgamated company formerly helmed by his late grandfather, Carl Millard, and father Wayne Millard.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...ct_is_completely_in_shock_by_the_charges.html

They checked it out. It wasn't stolen.

 

[Kamille]

Makes you wonder how painting the truck red would have helped.

It was probably more for the vehicle ownership (and possibly insurance) which I believe does show the vehicle colour. If he was planning on taking this vehicle across the border or if there was any chance of him being pulled over with it, he'd need to produce an ownership slip. I doubt anyone would have paid close attention to the fact that the vehicle was a different year and engine type. Or even noticed for that matter. He owned a red Dodge Ram 3500. So he could produce an ownership for a red Dodge Ram 3500. If the visible VIN number matched as well, who is going to question it?

Now not being able to produce insurance and ownership if asked, would certainly have made LE or even border security look a little more closely at the vehicle I would assume?

MOO

 

[Arnie M]

Is this the picture you want?

http://i40.tinypic.com/in8zlc.jpg

THAT'S THE ONE !!!!

Thank you.

 

[Kamille]

Cannot locate the picture at the moment but there was an open trailer removed from the hangar (hauled away on a tow truck deck) ... I beleive it was also towing the stolen Harley trailer.

My guess it is the trailer SS was building , the one DM was anxious to get finished .... my guess it was to haul the race jeep , and TB's truck was to tow the trailer

I base that on the fact that the previous trip to Baja they used that huge enclosed trailer containing only a small jeep , and with all the wind resistance it would eat double the fuel compared to a small open trailer towed by a diesel (Tims truck)

I have towed those large enclosed trailers with dual wheeled trucks and it is not very relaxing for a long trip , the dual wheels take up the whole lane , not very maneuverable in parking lots , wind gusts toss them around a bit on the highway , the enclosed trailer blocks all rear visibility , and besides , a battered race jeep does not need to be protected (enclosed)

Tim's truck and the smaller trailer would have solved those issues.

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An interesting theory Arnie but what would the lumber be used for? And where would the special compartments go that they were apparently building? I always assumed they were building another trailer like the other one, although it may have been a smaller version for the reasons you have stated.

I also thought that perhaps those two trailers were removed from the hangar because they were stolen and were perhaps being returned to their rightful owners. What other legal reason would LE have to be able to remove property from the hangar that was not used in the commission of the crime? Do you think there were forensics being done on these trailers?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

I'm not sure how long DM was looking for another truck (can't remember when the computer searches first started) but when he made the decision to steal one, probably around the time he got the burner phone, I can see why he would have considered TB's a must have if he was planning to use the ownership from his own vehicle. It was as close a match as he could probably find age wise, so it would outwardly not raise suspicion (IT's newer 2010 truck would not have passed as easily for a 2005 as the lights had changed by then) with all the features he was looking for. I think he knew, when he saw that truck, that he was going to have it at all costs.

I just did a search on Auto Trader and Kijiji for a Ram 3500, as if I had a 2008 that I was trying to "match". I gave myself a 5 yr window. I asked for an automatic diesel. I asked for private seller. I looked within a 250km radius of Etobicoke. I got two hits on each site. So there likely wasn't a lot for DM to choose from back then either. And the whole situation with the rural location and the trusting nature of TB to get in for a test drive in such a remote location,under such sketchy circumstances, must have made this seem like the perfect opportunity that would not happen again, especially if he was getting down to the wire of when he needed that truck. Nothing was going to stop him from stealing that truck IMO.

MOO

 

[swedie]

I'm not sure how long DM was looking for another truck (can't remember when the computer searches first started) but when he made the decision to steal one, probably around the time he got the burner phone, I can see why he would have considered TB's a must have if he was planning to use the ownership from his own vehicle. It was as close a match as he could probably find age wise, so it would outwardly not raise suspicion (IT's newer 2010 truck would not have passed as easily for a 2005 as the lights had changed by then) with all the features he was looking for. I think he knew, when he saw that truck, that he was going to have it at all costs.

I just did a search on Auto Trader and Kijiji for a Ram 3500, as if I had a 2008 that I was trying to "match". I gave myself a 5 yr window. I asked for an automatic diesel. I asked for private seller. I looked within a 250km radius of Etobicoke. I got two hits on each site. So there likely wasn't a lot for DM to choose from back then either. And the whole situation with the rural location and the trusting nature of TB to get in for a test drive in such a remote location,under such sketchy circumstances, must have made this seem like the perfect opportunity that would not happen again, especially if he was getting down to the wire of when he needed that truck. Nothing was going to stop him from stealing that truck IMO.

MOO

If my memory serves me correctly, DM started searching for another truck on line mid November. By the end of November WM was dead. Did good old dad say "no more money" one too many times to DM? DM knew there was a loan of 3.7 million and believed he'd be entitled to it once dad was no longer capable of handling the financial affairs for MA. I think DM got a BIG surprise when perhaps all access to dear old dad's money was frozen. There was only one way of getting a new truck for the up coming Baja race in DM's mind...steal one. MOO.

 

[Sillybilly]

An interesting theory Arnie but what would the lumber be used for? And where would the special compartments go that they were apparently building? I always assumed they were building another trailer like the other one, although it may have been a smaller version for the reasons you have stated.

<rsbm>

I don't know if this is of any significance, but I notice the trailer Marty is seen taking his bike parts from has some wood slats installed horizontally underneath the top metal rails. Perhaps this was the start of some initial framing in for future sidewall compartments. Also FWIW, the vertical wooden studs are not offset as they are in DM's big trailer.

http://storage.torontosun.com/v1/dy...97422838212_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=650x

http://images.scribblelive.com/2016/2/17/6cca124d-1937-4697-ae32-50756a2e89e2_800.png

Could be nothing.

 

[napper505]

Yeah

I remember heading to our cottage during that May week/end, every Black Dodge pickup was on the side of hwy 400 North with a police car in attendance.

Irregardless of the Dodge model or year.

We bought our SUV from a dealer 400km away in Sud(s)bury Ontario from a Kijiji ad that same week. I didn't realize until afterwards what was going on I guess that's why the dealer was oh! so very cautious. The Vehicle was the only with the options I wanted, engine, tow package etc.

Napper

 

[StevieL]

Does anyone have any thoughts on why DM "hid" his red truck at that bungalow in Cambridge?
I expect if police found any evidence inside of it, we'll soon hear about it.

I would have been more inclined to hide the Yukon, given that it was used on the night of murder and following day.

I'm also curious about how both his vehicles ended up at the hangar. Maybe MS was using one?

I too would like to know how the red Dodge ram ended up at the hangar. According to the video evidence in billandrew's timeline, it arrived at 6:56 pm on May 9th.

Red Dodge Ram with cap arrives at Millardair hangar.

Who drove it there?

DM, DM+MS, or a third person? The cell phone pings show DM between the farm and the hangar from 4:10 pm until 5:51 pm. Is this enough time to go to Etobicoke and back by 6:56? (if that's where it was stored). MS's phone was at the hangar at 6:31 pm, so he couldn't have gone with DM to fetch the truck (unless it was stored locally at the house on Maple Grove Rd). There were 2 calls made to 3154 Unknown at 5:49 and 5:51 pm. Could this be to make arrangements to get the truck?
Both of DM's vehicles were at the hangar on Friday, as he drove to the bank in the Yukon right after coming back from hiding the red truck.

As has been pointed out before, much of the cell activity is omitted from the evidence presented. Of note, there is no information given in the slides for the time between 5:51 and 6:21 pm May 9th. Maybe there was none, maybe it was irrelevant?

I'm just starting to learn how to quote and find the links....billandrew's timeline summary is most helpful!

 

[matou]

Welcome StevieL!

:welcome4::welcome4:

 

[matou]

So the last witness was Hussey. His last testimony was about how Meneses and Smich worked at the hangar, cleaning and painting. He also mentioned about how the truck wasn't there anymore and the SS stated that the truck was better on fuel. I wonder who will be next on Monday? More technical stuff? I think Dubien will need to explain his security camera system. I wonder if a friend or gf will be up as well?

 

[MsRyber]

I hear you, but....I can't fathom owning an animal cremator when you don't own livestock. I get drawn back to this every time I try make sense of everything but I can't. That Eliminator was not meant for animals, furniture, mice or rats at the hanger. IMO it was purchased with a plan in mind. Who spends $15,000.00 on an animal cremator? Who?

I would love to get inside DM's mind. I really would because it think there's a lot of diabolical thoughts going on in there. As blasé as this may sound, I think he got bored with his life. He wanted to live on the edge, whether it be racing jeeps in the Baha or playing El Capo with his entourage or killing people for the hell of it and the rush.

MOO

Any chance WM was doing the "tough love" bit with DM, wanting him to grow up? I have to wonder if DM was having a hard time living on the amount of "salary" WM was giving him. Maybe more responsibility was being thrusted on DM, or he was being made to be accountable? Especially if DM was acting disinterested in the business. I don't think everything was roses in the M/B household(s) when it came to DM. I still think the incinerator was ear-marked for WM, and DM couldn't go through with it after the (alleged) murder.

I really think the WM murder had all to do with a kid not wanting to grow up, and a father paying the ultimate price when poo hit the fan. DM was spoiled, entitled and bitter. I wonder how much time he spent gaming, and if WM wanted him to start to pull a bit more weight and act/get involved in the business more. After all the money was spent, basically for DM's future and the future of MillardAir, as a parent, I certainly would be pissed if I thought my kid was still acting like he was 19.

What I really want to know is if there was a "cut-off" date. On such and such a date, your "salary" will be cut to this if you don't shape up. Was WM co-signer on any of the properties for DM? Was he paying the expenses? Etc etc etc

This is TB's murder, but it goes to the entitlement mindedness of DM. What he wants, he's going to take.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Any chance WM was doing the "tough love" bit with DM, wanting him to grow up? I have to wonder if DM was having a hard time living on the amount of "salary" WM was giving him. Maybe more responsibility was being thrusted on DM, or he was being made to be accountable? Especially if DM was acting disinterested in the business. I don't think everything was roses in the M/B household(s) when it came to DM. I still think the incinerator was ear-marked for WM, and DM couldn't go through with it after the (alleged) murder.

I really think the WM murder had all to do with a kid not wanting to grow up, and a father paying the ultimate price when poo hit the fan. DM was spoiled, entitled and bitter. I wonder how much time he spent gaming, and if WM wanted him to start to pull a bit more weight and act/get involved in the business more. After all the money was spent, basically for DM's future and the future of MillardAir, as a parent, I certainly would be pissed if I thought my kid was still acting like he was 19.

What I really want to know is if there was a "cut-off" date. On such and such a date, your "salary" will be cut to this if you don't shape up. Was WM co-signer on any of the properties for DM? Was he paying the expenses? Etc etc etc

This is TB's murder, but it goes to the entitlement mindedness of DM. What he wants, he's going to take.

A lot of people have written that they see that WM did a lot of work to set DM up for life and DM didn't seem to be appreciative at all. AS called him "just a spoilt little brat who had his way all his life and didn&#8217;t appreciate what his father was doing for him" http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/201...-family-of-accused-killer-dellen-millard.html

DM's life did seem to be hobby-centric.

Also MS couldn't have been that great of an influence. SH testified that 80% of the time he saw DM, MS was with him. DM and MS were tight, just as the contents of the computer backups show.

 

[GeneHunt]

So the last witness was Hussey. His last testimony was about how Meneses and Smich worked at the hangar, cleaning and painting. He also mentioned about how the truck wasn't there anymore and the SS stated that the truck was better on fuel. I wonder who will be next on Monday? More technical stuff? I think Dubien will need to explain his security camera system. I wonder if a friend or gf will be up as well?

I think the Crown is saving the "best" for last; we're probably a few weeks away from hearing from CN and MM. I think those two will be summoned at the end of the Crown's case.

I was convinced we were going to hear from CD just before the break, so I'm going to stick with that for Monday.