Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #7

[Stratocaster]

I'm of the belief that DM really didn't expect to get nailed with this and the "framing" aspect was purely damage control- an afterthought once he knew the heat was on him. He's a seasoned murderer. He's experienced in LE investigations. He sat right in front of SL who had a cell phone bill showing he was the last person contacting LB. Nothing happened. WM, LB murders went unanswered: a suicide and runaway.

TB? Just one of those guys that hikes out on his wife. IMO, he never went into this covering up his tracks. IMO, he was in damage control the minute AJ recognized the truck. That's when his pathetic little mind started to scatter evidence around like confetti. I take insult in anyone referring to DM as being smart or intelligent. IMO, he's got the intelligence of a toad- not meaning to insult toads. Little did he know that LE were onto him already and he had met his match with Kavanaugh. He was going down long before he texted his concerning "I think I'm being set up" message to LW. MOO

Ditto my exact thoughts, crown is moving in military like precision with the slam dunk, and the CN/MM testimony, especially CN testimony, should be jaw dropping. Huge 'shout out' goes to LE's combined effort from Hamilton/Toronto/KW, abeit a little too late from the events that allegedly took place on May 6th. I'm local to the case, as many of us are, and have taken a wild ride on a rollercoaster of emotions with this one. Justice will be served.

 

[mskrisc]

When DM wrote that letter we didn't know about JV did we? There hadn't been any mention of the Columbian contractors and I don't even think they had CN yet.

"Millard wrote the letters from June 2013 through March 2014.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...rn-to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure

Noudga was arrested in April 2014.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...tina-noudga-to-go-straight-to-trial-1.2961734

So exactly what would DM have been talking about? What had been published at that time? Background info on MS. Info about how wealthy DM was suppose to be. The fact that TB's remains were found on the farm. Where the truck was found? The incinerator.

BBM"but what I will say, is that “the facts” they keep repeating, don’t match the disclosure I am given. I thought by now some, even one, of those so called ‘investigative’ journalists would have picked up on some of discrepancies in what police are telling them. I thought the public might have noticed some of the things that are out of place in the news articles."

OK- MSM may have been insinuating the incinerator was used at the farm- but there was no way to know otherwise and yes, his disclosure would have indicated something different. I've racked my brains on this one trying to figure out what he was talking about. MSM published consistent info and LE had a tight seal on the investigation- I have no idea what was out of place. MOO

IMO, Just a DM ploy. He thought he was going to weasel his way out of this one. Sorry... DNA doesn't lie!Bravo to him though... His statement has got every discussion group going in every which way discussing ridiculous alternate theories. Simple Affluenza. Silver Spoon wanted Truck, had No money so he used other means to get what he wanted. JMO

 

[paris_paris]

...this is the Riverside unit DM and CN had JV show them? And he wasn't sure if they had entered the bathroom or not?

Asking if they ever entered the bathroom was such a random question. Waiting to hear more about that. There has to be a reason.

 

[hopingforjustice]

I don't believe JV said went to Colombia for vacation, he went to visit his extended family, probably his elderly parents, etc. He may well have taken his whole family, and they would have perhaps had to fly to a remote area. Then, normally when a family member who has emigrated and 'made good' goes back to his poverty stricken family, he will help them out, perhaps with medical expenses, better housing, etc.

Is it possible this money was needed for his efforts to bring his wife over?

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP Mar 23
Javier was trying to bring his wife over. The debt didn't help.@AlexpiersonAMP #TimBosma

 

[matou]

JV and DM were already named in court docs over another issue (theft?) so maybe DM is hoping that this will come up as a reason for JV "framing" him. JMO

 

[matou]

Also, after his arrest, DM via his lawyer was "waiting to see what the evidence was against him." I think he was going to adjust whatever version of his story to fit what they thought investigators knew. Also, TB's remains had not been found yet IIRC.

 

[deugirtni]

Is it possible this money was needed for his efforts to bring his wife over?

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP Mar 23
Javier was trying to bring his wife over. The debt didn't help.@AlexpiersonAMP #TimBosma

Considering that Mr. V has apparently been in Canada since 1983, I'm hoping his wife has been here for awhile already.

from Molly Hayes Twitter March 23, 2016
The Villata family is from Columbia. Javier came to Canada Nov 18, 1983. He's been a Cdn citizen since 1987. #Bosma
0 retweets 1 like

 

[ABro]

Considering that Mr. V has apparently been in Canada since 1983, I'm hoping his wife has been here for awhile already.

from Molly Hayes Twitter March 23, 2016
The Villata family is from Columbia. Javier came to Canada Nov 18, 1983. He's been a Cdn citizen since 1987. #Bosma
0 retweets 1 like

His current wife is not his first wife. She came from Colombia relatively recently.

 

[andreww]

Puzzled by the garden hose testimony. Any thoughts or theories on the relevance?

Like a lot of the prosecutions case, it seems they are just putting it out there as another unexplainable coincidence. DM didn't have his power washer, a brand new hose is found left running for 10 hours with blood on it. I'm thinking the bought the hose to wash the blood out of the truck. You?

 

[matou]

More sketchy info from last Wednesday:

They met to switch vehicles at Sherway Gardens in Toronto, near a Sears. He says Millard told him he planned to have the truck for a week. He was told he'd have the Yukon for a "minimum of a week."
by Adam Carter 2:10 PM

Later, Millard and his Girlfriend Christina Noudga switch again with Villata -- he gets a white van, and Millard takes back the Yukon.
by Adam Carter 2:13 PM

So on May 4th, he switches vehicles twice with JV and meets with him at Sherway Gardens?? Why not just switch vehicles at the house???? This was when he was going to meet up with one of the other truck sellers with Smich. And he wanted the key to apt #2 so that JV couldn't get back in there again IMO. Obviously, the crime involved using that apartment, changing from using the white van to a darker vehicle and CN knew some aspects of what was going on IMO.

 

[puppyraiser]

Maybe DM wanted JV's prints all over the Yukon.

 

[Kamille]

More sketchy info from last Wednesday:

They met to switch vehicles at Sherway Gardens in Toronto, near a Sears. He says Millard told him he planned to have the truck for a week. He was told he'd have the Yukon for a "minimum of a week."
by Adam Carter 2:10 PM

Later, Millard and his Girlfriend Christina Noudga switch again with Villata -- he gets a white van, and Millard takes back the Yukon.
by Adam Carter 2:13 PM

So on May 4th, he switches vehicles twice with JV and meets with him at Sherway Gardens?? Why not just switch vehicles at the house???? This was when he was going to meet up with one of the other truck sellers with Smich. And he wanted the key to apt #2 so that JV couldn't get back in there again IMO. Obviously, the crime involved using that apartment, changing from using the white van to a darker vehicle and CN knew some aspects of what was going on IMO.

Well if you're going to use a vehicle in a crime, why not switch it out with someone you plan to set up in a public lot full of people and security cameras and then switch it back at your private residence where no one can see you do this? So if the truck is somehow fingered as part of the crime, say caught on video, you can say you didn't even have it at the time.

MOO

ETA: I still want to know what was left in the van that he forgot and that he had to retrieve. The satchel?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Ann Brocklehurst ‏@AnnB03
Invaluable #TimBosma trial reference by @Ron_Verbeek - all tweets by @susanclairmont @mollyhayes @AdamCarterCBC
https://goo.gl/SNR7z0

 

[earlygirl]

I don't think the vehicle exchange is that complicated. DM needed the red truck to shift the trailer with TB's truck to his mothers house. JV clearly says that NONE of the other vehicles could haul it.

 

[Kamille]

I don't think the vehicle exchange is that complicated. DM needed the red truck to shift the trailer with TB's truck to his mothers house. JV clearly says that NONE of the other vehicles could haul it.

There could be a lot of reasons why he wanted that red truck out of commission for a week, more likely because he was planning on switching with the stolen truck and he would have wanted to tell JV that he had "traded" it during that week. I'm not sure if hauling anything in the large trailer was originally part of his plan. Unless he was showing up to these places with the red truck and trailer hoping to steal and conceal it. Which appears to not have been the case.

MOO

 

[Alethea Dice]

More sketchy info from last Wednesday:

They met to switch vehicles at Sherway Gardens in Toronto, near a Sears. He says Millard told him he planned to have the truck for a week. He was told he'd have the Yukon for a "minimum of a week."
by Adam Carter 2:10 PM

Later, Millard and his Girlfriend Christina Noudga switch again with Villata -- he gets a white van, and Millard takes back the Yukon.
by Adam Carter 2:13 PM

So on May 4th, he switches vehicles twice with JV and meets with him at Sherway Gardens?? Why not just switch vehicles at the house???? This was when he was going to meet up with one of the other truck sellers with Smich. And he wanted the key to apt #2 so that JV couldn't get back in there again IMO. Obviously, the crime involved using that apartment, changing from using the white van to a darker vehicle and CN knew some aspects of what was going on IMO.

Why wouldn't JV be able to get back in the apartment?

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont Mar 23
Apt. 2 at that house owned by Millard was being renovated for him to live in. Millard texts Javier for key to #2. Bath and shower in there.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont Mar 23
Javier does not remember giving him the key that night. But he showed them the apartment so he could see renos. Javier kept key.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont Mar 23
Inside apartment for 15-20 minutes. Asked if they went in bathroom, but he doesn't remember. They left, he locked apt. More than one key.

 

[chaines]

hello everyone... ive been reading this trial and am enjoying everyone's opinions. I hate to sound like a jerk, but i have to disagree with some of the theories that have tossed around lately:

IMO Millards defense cant possibly be trying to say that JV is the real killer. For one, that would be like coming up with a defense on the fly which no competent lawyer would do. Surely Millard would have tried to deflect to JV already during his questioning and I think its likely that JV was given a cursory investigation and nothing was found to indicate he did it. IMO the defense is just trying to discredit any of JV testimony, especially if it makes it look like Millard wasn't rolling in cash. Is it possible that DM defense could get his entire testimony thrown out ie judge telling jury to ignore anything JV said because he was a hostile witness with some hatred of DM? Because to me, that is the crux of his defense - that he was rich so why the hell would he need to steal a truck when he could just buy any one he wanted. But as we are learning, he seemed to have assets but not much liquid assets to use.

IMO the fact that the 2 defense lawyers started sparring with each other when it came to where the bullet casing was found indicates that they are only trying to get their client off of the First Degree charge and will consider anything less than that a win. Let's not forget, they have only pleaded not guilty to 1st degree murder.


Also, I think the switching of the white van with the Yukon was just coincidence. There is no way DM was doing that in order to frame JV. If he really wanted to frame JV for murder why would he have done such a good job disposing of the bodies? [RIP] All the switching took place before the night of the 6th and so to believe that he was doing it to set JV up as a patsy then you also have to believe that DM was of the mind he could not pull this crime off. IMO DM is a smug narcissist, who felt himself entitled. He went into this convinced he would never be caught. I think he only mentioned possibly being set up in a moment of panic when he realized the jig was up.

Another poster [and if I could find the post I would have quoted it] wrote that they think DM defense is that he wasn't in the truck when Mr. Bosma was shot and that he felt he needed to help his friend after the fact. I have to agree with that.

I can hardly wait until CN and MM get on the stand!... those days are going to be electrifying
cheers everyone

 

[redwing7225]

hello everyone... ive been reading this trial and am enjoying everyone's opinions. I hate to sound like a jerk, but i have to disagree with some of the theories that have tossed around lately:

IMO Millards defense cant possibly be trying to say that JV is the real killer. For one, that would be like coming up with a defense on the fly which no competent lawyer would do. Surely Millard would have tried to deflect to JV already during his questioning and I think its likely that JV was given a cursory investigation and nothing was found to indicate he did it. IMO the defense is just trying to discredit any of JV testimony, especially if it makes it look like Millard wasn't rolling in cash. Is it possible that DM defense could get his entire testimony thrown out ie judge telling jury to ignore anything JV said because he was a hostile witness with some hatred of DM? Because to me, that is the crux of his defense - that he was rich so why the hell would he need to steal a truck when he could just buy any one he wanted. But as we are learning, he seemed to have assets but not much liquid assets to use.

IMO the fact that the 2 defense lawyers started sparring with each other when it came to where the bullet casing was found indicates that they are only trying to get their client off of the First Degree charge and will consider anything less than that a win. Let's not forget, they have only pleaded not guilty to 1st degree murder.


Also, I think the switching of the white van with the Yukon was just coincidence. There is no way DM was doing that in order to frame JV. If he really wanted to frame JV for murder why would he have done such a good job disposing of the bodies? [RIP] All the switching took place before the night of the 6th and so to believe that he was doing it to set JV up as a patsy then you also have to believe that DM was of the mind he could not pull this crime off. IMO DM is a smug narcissist, who felt himself entitled. He went into this convinced he would never be caught. I think he only mentioned possibly being set up in a moment of panic when he realized the jig was up.

Another poster [and if I could find the post I would have quoted it] wrote that they think DM defense is that he wasn't in the truck when Mr. Bosma was shot and that he felt he needed to help his friend after the fact. I have to agree with that.

I can hardly wait until CN and MM get on the stand!... those days are going to be electrifying
cheers everyone

My apologies, trying to bold an area of your post, not working from my phone.
Trying to reference the point where you believe DM defense will be that he was there to help MS after the fact. I agree with that however, from what we have seen thus far, DM is a leader of his clan, MS appears to be the follower. I've been wrong before but IMO if it was MS who pulled the trigger, it was under threat from DM or potential "initiation".

 

[ArianeEmory]

Ann Brocklehurst ‏@AnnB03
Invaluable #TimBosma trial reference by @Ron_Verbeek - all tweets by @susanclairmont @mollyhayes @AdamCarterCBC
https://goo.gl/SNR7z0

Quoted for truth.

 

[billandrew]

Another poster [and if I could find the post I would have quoted it] wrote that they think DM defense is that he wasn't in the truck when Mr. Bosma was shot and that he felt he needed to help his friend after the fact.

RSBM. Perhaps you were referring to this post from yesterday?

The more I think about it, the more this defense strategy seems to line up with what we've seen the defense laying a foundation for so far:

• Emphasizing DM's wealth and downplaying any financial troubles to show that if he wanted a truck, he would have bought a truck.
• Hints of purchasing the Eliminator for legitimate purposes (e.g. pet cremation business, burning rubbish, etc.).
• Painting DM as a friendly, good-natured person with nothing to hide, while painting MS as sinister and untrustworthy.

All of this is an attempt to mitigate any premeditation on DM's behalf. While it is easy for us to form opinions and conclusions about DM, the jury has to make their decision based on the evidence presented. IMO, there has not been any strong evidence, yet, to support that DM planned to steal a truck or kill TB. However, the Crown is saving the best for last!

In the Crown's opening statements, they said DM's roommate will testify that DM told him that he planned to steal a Dodge Ram 3500. This, IMO, will be a huge blow to DM's defense strategy. Following that, I expect the testimonies of the girlfriends will, to borrow MsSherlock's words, be checkmate for DM and MS.