Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #8

[Kamille]

It's interesting that the sight of a stolen truck amongst several stolen vehicles in that hangar makes him physically sick? I'm suspecting he saw more than a stolen truck, or knew there was more to the situation. Did he throw up every time stolen vehicles appeared in the hangar? Does he throw up when missing people are reported in the news?

There is no evidence that there were any other stolen vehicles in the hangar other than MM's motorcycle and trailer. The initial reports of what appeared to be stolen vehicles and a "chop shop" seem to have morphed into LE testimony that DM and Millard companies owned about 30 active and inactive vehicles. I believe it was eventually reported that less than 10 vehicles were actually found in the hangar.

We know the 2 Jeeps. the kit car, the chevy Nova and the Camaro were likely in there. That's 5 already.

MOO

 

[Inspector_North]

There is no evidence that there were any other stolen vehicles in the hangar other than MM's motorcycle and trailer. The initial reports of what appeared to be stolen vehicles and a "chop shop" seem to have morphed into LE testimony that DM and Millard companies owned about 30 active and inactive vehicles. I believe it was eventually reported that less than 10 vehicles were actually found in the hangar.

We know the 2 Jeeps. the kit car, the chevy Nova and the Camaro were likely in there. That's 5 already.

MOO

That does seem to be a mute point after the initial accusation. Also the fact that no theft charges have been laid.

 

[hellkat2]

IMO SS knew about the plan of stealing a truck. A murder was not discussed with SS so he was told to stay away due to politics. SS would be curious and check his app, who wouldn't. After doing so, he needed a new phone and fast, so him and his wife went to get them right that same day. His FIL figured things out pretty quickly, told SS, SS stuck by DM's side, FIL is fired. Why would SS want to be involved, he could have jumped ship and went to LE with his FIL, why stay and get tangled into this mess????

BINGO......he stayed because he was already tangled into the mess.

 

[Kamille]

IMO they planned to use the incinerator at the farm but something didn't go as intended. Perhaps there was no fuel for the generator, or it malfunctioned. Even if they did want to take the truck to the hangar, why not just leave the incinerator running at the farm - assuming they could get it working - and come back to it later?

No way would they risk that IMO.

 

[Inspector_North]

No way would they risk that IMO.

What risk? They burnt the seats and carpet at the farm. That is a lot more risky with the smoke that burn would emit.

 

[billandrew]

Strange? It is an important piece of the puzzle IMO. Especially with SS's testimony being 'nebulous' for lack of a better word.

On the 9th, DM made three calls - not texts as he does with his usual buddies - to "3124 Unknown". The times of the calls were 1:02pm, 5:49pm, and 5:51pm. The 1 o'clock call comes shortly after two calls to Schlatman. Perhaps the unknown number was Diciano? Someone he doesn't talk to often and therefore didn't keep the name in his contacts list.

 

[Errrr]

Did they determine where the wood chipper came from?

 

[Kamille]

What risk? They burnt the seats and carpet at the farm. That is a lot more risky with the smoke that burn would emit.

I mean to leave it there burning for hours unattended where anyone could have wandered over to check it out after they drove away. DM would have had no problem lying to any curious neighbours about anything he was was doing while he was there, but IMO he wouldn't have risked leaving a body burning in an incinerator unattended while he was stripping down the truck at his hangar miles away.

MOO

 

[Inspector_North]

I mean to leave it there burning for hours unattended where anyone could have wandered over to check it out after they drove away. DM would have had no problem lying to any curious neighbours about anything he was was doing while he was there, but IMO he wouldn't have risked leaving a body burning in an incinerator unattended while he was stripping down the truck at his hangar miles away.

MOO

Ah! I see your point.

I still believe the farm was the intended spot for the burn, and the truck was not the intended spot for the shooting.

 

[Kamille]

On the 9th, DM made three calls - not texts as he does with his usual buddies - to "3124 Unknown". The times of the calls were 1:02pm, 5:49pm, and 5:51pm. The 1 o'clock call comes shortly after two calls to Schlatman. Perhaps the unknown number was Diciano? Someone he doesn't talk to often and therefore didn't keep the name in his contacts list.

DM apparently only made one call to the auto shop on the 9th to cancel the rush paint job and spoke with the manager there, not TD, which indicates that he called the actual shop and not a personal phone number for TD. 3124 are not the last digits of the auto body shop phone number.

MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

I suspect that MB was granted the POA to act on behalf of DM and his own affairs in this instance, due to the fact that he has been incarcerated and cannot be expected to 'take care of business' for the interim :sheesh:. If it so happens that he was actually named as his father's sole executor ,then, yes I suspect her POA would have been extended to cover that as well.

DM gave a POA to MB the day after he was arrested. IMO, that POA would have no bearing on WM's estate what so ever. She would not automatically become the Executor of WM's estate if DM happened to be the Executor. At this point it's only an assumption that DM was Executor and sole beneficiary of WM's estate. WM may have named someone else to be the Executor- perhaps a Lawyer, Accountant, relative or friend. We don't know.

If DM was the a Executor of WM's will, then FWIK, WM's estate may be frozen pending the outcome of the charges against DM; not only in this case, but in the WM, LB cases as well. The fact that DM was using credit cards in WM's name in February/13, indicates he wasn't playing by Estate rules. Even if someone else is the Executor, in the event he is found guilty of WM's murder, Forfeiture Laws would prevent DM from inheriting anything from WM.

MB may have stepped in for DM with a POA to mitigate legal issues for DM, to quickly liquidate his properties, pay off debts, sell assets and make sure his legal bills are covered. She's not doing it out of the kindness of her heart- someone is paying her 5K/month salary. Why people are so quick to assume that WM and MB had some form of business relationship is confusing to me. AFAIK, they were divorced and MB did not have anything to do with Millardair until WM died and DM brought her into the Company. WM did have family aside for DM who sincerely grieve his death and would be the rightful heirs to his estate. MOO

 

[Abitcountry]

IMO they planned to use the incinerator at the farm but something didn't go as intended. Perhaps there was no fuel for the generator, or it malfunctioned. Even if they did want to take the truck to the hangar, why not just leave the incinerator running at the farm - assuming they could get it working - and come back to it later?

Well, if the incinerator flamed out the bottom even once like it apparently could as seen in the sirveillance video at the hangar it could have started a bigger fire either in the barn or the field wherever they chose to set it up.......Furthermore, the farmer on the adjacent lot had horses who I am very sure would have been uneasy in their stalls what with a generator and afterburners running in the normal peace and quiet of the country at night----not to mention the farmer and his family. I'm just thinking out loud here.....

 

[Inspector_North]

Well, if the incinerator flamed out the bottom even once like it apparently could as seen in the sirveillance video at the hangar it could have started a bigger fire either in the barn or the field wherever they chose to set it up.......Furthermore, the farmer on the adjacent lot had horses who I am very sure would have been uneasy in their stalls what with a generator and afterburners running in the normal peace and quiet of the country at night----not to mention the farmer and his family. I'm just thinking out loud here.....

Remember, DM was a risk taker, and he was known to cut out a structural beam at the hanger. Not the brightest weed on the farm.

 

[Kamille]

Did they determine where the wood chipper came from?

Since it doesn't appear to have played a role in this crime, I doubt we would be hearing about it. I do believe that if there was any stolen merchandise in the hangar, it was likely something that could be hooked up to and towed away. So I do question the possibility of theft on some of the trailers and other equipment like that which were being stored in the hangar. Things that could be hauled away easily in the night by a vehicle with a license plate blocking system. Did the wood chipper or any of the trailers ever make it to the inventory sale that SS was helping MB with?

MOO

 

[Just4TB]

That does seem to be a mute point after the initial accusation. Also the fact that no theft charges have been laid.

I agree, and assume you meant no "additional" theft charges. DM was originally charged with forcible confinement, and theft over 5000 for TB truck.

 

[Abitcountry]

What risk? They burnt the seats and carpet at the farm. That is a lot more risky with the smoke that burn would emit.

An open flash fire on the ground that was fuelled with an accelerant would have created flames and smoke lasting about 15-20 minutes and it would be over...no noisy generator, no noisy afterburner and minimal evidence when it was all over--essentially two large scorched patches in an old corn field once the metal seat frames were gone....no big red-necked smoker to have to hide because it already was in the woods

 

[swedie]

Makes sense to me. IMO, the riskiest part of DM's plan was to send the truck out to get painted. He needed to have the VIN switched before thus the window removal kit. Doesn't sound like SS was particularly talented in using the tool, so perhaps this was the first VIN number they switched? Nah...that doesn't sit right with me. I'm thinking that perhaps in the past they had assistance in removing the windshields to swap VIN's- a few bucks to an auto glass guy or something; however, this truck was "sooo hot" they had to do it themselves. SS didn't have a problem altering a stolen trailer and getting it registered.

I think you're onto something there suggesting SS was expecting to go to the hangar on the 7th. It also could imply that there was a Plan B in the event that DM had taken his auto theft to the next level. There was always a chance that a truck owner would just give DM and MS the keys and let them go for a spin. If that happened, they'd just steal the truck and park it in the hangar. DM would tell everyone except SS to stay home the day after. Then there was always the chance that DM would get the opportunity to satisfy his sick need to burn a human in his incinerator.

IMO, SS knew that something nefarious had gone down the minute he was told to stay home, but if DM didn't tell him anything, SS could play as dumb as a doornail. That's probably why he was so upset with AJ's discovery. "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil". AJ messed the whole thing up. MOO

While DM's text "Airport politics. Nobody goes to the hangar today, not even to pick something up" meant stay away to others, it could have had a whole different meaning to a chosen few. I'm curious as to what else the masonry video surveillance picked up on May 7th and 8th. We know May 7th, the perps arrived at 12:19am, left for 30 minutes, came back and were there until 7:02am. Someone in the Yukon went to the hangar that night, 9:09pm to 11:40pm, then left towing the incinerator. Did anyone else go to the hangar that day regardless of DM's text message? Or how many people and who went to the hangar that night in the Yukon?

Flipflop wondered if there may be any more video evidence and I said I didn't think so. I could very well be wrong. Wouldn't that be something if the Dungey and Leitch drag more "inconsistencies" (ahem lies) out of SS, only to be faced with some solid evidence. These people have on idea what the Crown has in store and for evidence MOO.

 

[StevieL]

From the DVR's user manual:

http://vedelemabc.hu/uploads/download/212901053654d8b568da68b.pdf

• 
  [*=1]Supports two-way audio function
  
  [*=1]Supports event log recording and viewing, unlimited number of events
  

​

Has there been any previous discussion of audio from the DVR evidence? I imagine the event log would hold much information regarding changing operating parameters.

On an unrelated note, does anyone know what happened to Pedo? Was he in the SUV when DM was arrested? Just curious.

 

[Kamille]

While DM's text "Airport politics. Nobody goes to the hangar today, not even to pick something up" meant stay away to others, it could have had a whole different meaning to a chosen few. I'm curious as to what else the masonry video surveillance picked up on May 7th and 8th. We know May 7th, the perps arrived at 12:19am, left for 30 minutes, came back and were there until 7:02am. Someone in the Yukon went to the hangar that night, 9:09pm to 11:40pm, then left towing the incinerator. Did anyone else go to the hangar that day regardless of DM's text message? Or how many people and who went to the hangar that night in the Yukon?

Flipflop wondered if there may be any more video evidence and I said I didn't think so. I could very well be wrong. Wouldn't that be something if the Dungey and Leitch drag more "inconsistencies" (ahem lies) out of SS, only to be faced with some solid evidence. These people have on idea what the Crown has in store and for evidence MOO.

Both sides of the defense know exactly what the Crown has in store for evidence. If someone other than MS and DM were at the hangar on the 7th, LE would know about it and therefore defense, both sides, would know about it. MS and DM were not there either until later in the evening and their phones indicate that they were the ones in the Yukon taking the incinerator back to the farm.

And it was business as usual on the 8th around the hangar so there is nothing suspicious about everyone who was there that day.

MOO

 

[hopingforjustice]

Correct. Maple Gate was in both WM & DM's name, Roseville Farm, Woodbridge Condo in DM's name and Riverside multi - transferred to DM for 1.1M and mortgage on title in favour of WM for 1M.

"The assignment of the lease comes after Millard Properties sold the hangar to the group. Wood said they have been working with Millard Properties for about two years to have them sell the hangar – the deal closes April 24."

http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-s...or-former-millard-hangar-at-regional-airport/

Then there was Millard Holdings "
A cherry red 2005 Dodge Ram 3500 was registered to Millard Holdings Ltd., an amalgamated company formerly helmed by his late grandfather, Carl Millard, and father Wayne Millard."

Remaining aircraft were registered to Millardair Inc.

http://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur...n=|MILLARD|&tn=||&ln=||&fn=||&rfr2=RchHs.aspx

But most telling was this tweet from AC- it went right over my head on the day LW1 was on the stand.

"Williams says she "still does a little bit of work" for MillardAir and Millard properties, gathering paperwork for a chartered accountant. She's being paid hourly, doing about 10 hours a month."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...f-dellen-millard-s-company-disputed-1.3463996

A year after Chartright purchased the Hangar and many months after all of the real estate has been liquidated, LW1 is still working approximately 10 hours a month gathering "paperwork" for a "chartered accountant". IMHO, that means they're still trying to sort everything out. Almost sounds like a forensic audit happening. MOO

I think the Roseville must have been in MB's name as well. She is the one who applied for a permit for a building on farm. I don't believe the township would entertain an application from someone who wasn't at least a part owner.. But I could be wrong

From Swedie's witness list.

Darryl Denny - Chief Building Official May 2013, building application submitted for shop to be built on DM's farmland. Signature on application was M. Burns.