Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #8

[ArianeEmory]

Bad luck DM:

Liked to make money
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Never actually made any money

Has ambition
Lacks follow-through

I want to shout-out some conversation that happened overnight. I posted yesterday about being totally befuddled by DM's defense 'strategy', and folks mused overnight that Sachak is just doing what DM tells him to. (e.g., emphasizing how much more money DM has than SS.) This really clicks for me, and makes sense of the senseless.

Also want to thank the folks here who obviously have so much real-estate knowledge that DM could possibly have benefited from their advice.

 

[MsSherlock]

Could have worked at being a successful CEO of a multi-million-dollar, multi-employee corporation.

More fascinated with becoming a labourer that picks up dead animals for a living.

Because: "he likes to make money".

IMO, DM never made a cent in his entire life that would contribute to a positive on a Balance Sheet. When I think back to the statement that AS made about DM being a detriment to the Millardair operation, IMO, he was speaking about DM's presence and was probably not aware of how DM's financial immaturity could be a detriment to Millardair as well.

DM had a very unhealthy relationship with money- perhaps developed by his father being so frugal during his formative years. Regardless, as soon as DM came of age, he was allowed to spend with wild abandonment- as if the well would never run dry. It fuelled his mental instability because it allowed him to be unaccountable on so many fronts. He was so out of touch with reality- stealing a truck was his right- killing anyone he wanted to so he could get the rush from using his incinerator was his right and playing in his little gangster world was what DM's world was all about. A very sick man who just so happened to have found another sick man to share in the excitement. MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

I really wonder if the commercial bank account(s) for Millardair were in overdraught nearly to their limit, and the bank wouldn't increase it, or transfer the debit to a line of credit. DM did withdraw the $3,000 just before his arrest, and maybe thats all he could get out of the bank. Also the bookkeeper may not have been allowed to talk about overdrafts on the accounts in her testimony. She likely would see the monthly bank statements, as she would/should have been reconciling them, if DM could provide her with a record of what he was taking out of the accounts (doubtful). The bookkeeper knew things were a mess, and I think she was gagged from stating certain things in her testimony. MOO

DM was on the payroll for Millardair- he was collecting 10,416 a month before taxes- probably about $7500 net, so IMO, DM would have a few bucks in his own bank account. As a side note, it's my belief that the RBC would have been working with Millardair in light of WM's death. IMO, they wouldn't have had issues with people on the payroll getting paid because there were in fact hard assets to secure the Line of Credit- but I would imagine they were keeping a close eye on things pending WM's estate being settled. MOO

 

[Inspector_North]

Does anyone know if DM and the crew attended the 2012 Baja 500? I see him listed in the 2011 roster, can't find him listed for 2012.

CLASS 3 (6) 2011 Baja 500
300 Donald Moss
301 Ralph Pickering
302 Justin Perkins
303 Dellen Millard
304 Bill Frey
349 Billy Bunch

Just wondering if he made that trip, as it was around the time of LB's disappearance. Also wondering if WM may have not approved a $11,000 trip in 2012 as they were rushing to get the hanger MRO business up and running.

 

[billandrew]

Need some clarification on the surveillance video captured from Super Sucker on the night of May 6th. IIRC there was a couple different video clips with both vehicles in question, at slightly different time intervals? Trying to visualize what happened, and routes traveled on Trinity Rd in the 9:00ish time frame.

These are the adjusted video times:

8:46 pm Yukon driving south on Trinity Rd at Super Sucker.
9:05 pm Black pickup driving north on Trinity Rd at Super Sucker.
9:15 pm Black pickup driving south on Trinity Rd at Super Sucker.
9:20 pm Black pickup and Yukon driving north on Trinity Rd at Super Sucker.

The two events in the middle were omitted from the video expert's report, but they were revealed through Pillay's cross-examination.

 

[Errrr]

Has ambition
Lacks follow-through

I want to shout-out some conversation that happened overnight. I posted yesterday about being totally befuddled by DM's defense 'strategy', and folks mused overnight that Sachak is just doing what DM tells him to. (e.g., emphasizing how much more money DM has than SS.) This really clicks for me, and makes sense of the senseless.

Also want to thank the folks here who obviously have so much real-estate knowledge that DM could possibly have benefited from their advice.

I do t think DM is the kind of guy who benefits from advice. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

DM was on the payroll for Millardair- he was collecting 10,416 a month before taxes- probably about $7500 net, so IMO, DM would have a few bucks in his own bank account. As a side note, it's my belief that the RBC would have been working with Millardair in light of WM's death. IMO, they wouldn't have had issues with people on the payroll getting paid because there were in fact hard assets to secure the Line of Credit- but I would imagine they were keeping a close eye on things pending WM's estate being settled. MOO

http://www.ey.com/CA/en/Services/Tax/Tax-Calculators-2016-Personal-Tax

Just a link that confirms your estimate of about $7,500/month net.

He spread his wealth around freely with his friends, said Benoît Ménardo, a friend of Mr. Millard who lives in France.

“He didn’t count money or anything, when he was at a restaurant, he was always paying, always organizing things,” said Mr. Ménardo, who had not heard of Mr. Millard’s arrest until called by the National Post.

Lots of cash going out...

Mr. Millard penned an obituary for his father, hailing him as “frugal with himself and generous to others,” “patient and stubborn” and someone who “stepped carefully while advocating carefreeness.”

...WM was much more cautious...

“He was just a young man who had inherited the business and was trying to figure out where he’s going with his life,” said Mr. Seaman.

“He clearly didn’t have an active or heavy interest in pursuing the family business. He was into off-road racing, he was into helicopters.”

..DM wasn't interested in work...

“He has two maybe three TVs and two X-Boxes just for his friends to play with. He was paying for all of it,” he said.

He bought his friends Seadoos and traveled with them widely in Greece, Alaska and France, he said.

But Mr. Millard never mentioned how he was affording it or what he did for a job, he said.

...people didn't understand how he could afford it all?

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...-was-always-a-little-different-classmate-says

 

[SnooperDuper]

Now that it's clear that DM at least is going to be spending the next 25 years in prison, I wonder how long his administrative segregation will last?

I expect that he will be segregated for his protection until all the trials are over, because he is so high profile, and the prison system would not want him dead before he was fully tried.

Then a few years for the publicity to wear off, perhaps?

It's going to be a rough start to a life in prison.

 

[Errrr]

I believe the big issue made about DMs financial situation is because the only defence strategy so far appears to be that there was no motive.
If DM has the perfect alibi that nobody can recognize then I can't see any lawyer telling him to keep his mouth shut about it while sitting in jail for three years.
I doubt he has even told his lawyer the truth.
So, a gas truck costs $11,000 to drive to Baja. What does a Deisel cost to drive there? The difference in those prices is the cost of Tims life.
I also think DM had a longer game plan for that incinerator he hasn't revealed to anyone. That's the mystery I find fascinating. I think TBs death may have been opportunistic.....or was it part of it? JMO

 

[SomeITGuy]

I also think DM had a longer game plan for that incinerator he hasn't revealed to anyone. That's the mystery I find fascinating. I think TBs death may have been opportunistic.....or was it part of it? JMO

It literally makes my stomach uneasy thinking about it..:sick:

 

[6degrees]

Adam Carter 4:11 PM
Cook says it would take up to three hours to fully burn a 170 pound animal down to bone ash. "That's the only thing that's left, pretty much," he says. Bosma was estimated to be about that weight.

Adam Carter 4:12 PM
"Mr. Bosma was incinerated inside of the SN500," Crown Tony Leitch says.

Adam Carter 4:13 PM
Some bones were found on top of the cement cylinders inside of The Eliminator. Cook says that's not totally unusual after a burn.

Adam Carter 4:14 PM
The unit found on Millard's farm is usually used for poultry.

Can somebody help me with this? I've been trying to remember if Penner and/or Cook were able to tell us on Feb 22 what SS told the Eliminator manufacturers what the intended use of the incinerator was going to be. I know that when Penner was testifying he seems to have been asked but there are no tweets showing an answer from SS. I know there were legal arguments that day in the absence of the jury and perhaps the defence won their argument to not allow SS to give the reason (animal or pet incineration etc....). Despite us not knowing for sure that the Eliminator folks were told it was for animals I had assumed that was the case given the further tweets around size and fuel requirements for burns of 250, 500lb etc... What does anybody else think of this AC tweet? It rather sounds like the unit was used for poultry....on the other hand, it would just mean that that MODEL is normally used for poultry. Furthermore, why would the defence attempt to block Penner from sharing with the courtroom what SS had told him the intended purpose of the incinerator was? Do I just need more coffee or sleep or something?????

OK>>>>edited by me....I guess this probably does just reflect that Cook is highlighting that the model that was purchased by DM is NORMALLY used for poultry, not that the model DM bought HAD BEEN used for poultry. My oversight....

But I still can't let go of the fact that there was no answer from either Penner or Cook as to what SS was ordering the Eliminator for. Was it because Penner did answer the question and SS's reason for ordering was just not tweeted or was Penner stopped from answering the question? AC's tweets also indicate that Cook , the plant manager in Georgia who had been told by Penner that the order was coming in, also said he wanted to know what the intended use was as it would impact the decision making as far as the selected model was concerned.

I know Kamille, red heart, Gibson67 and Abitcountry all commented on this at the time. It just doesn't make sense to me now, knowing that the defence is having open conversations in court with SS about what his understanding of the intended usage but yet maybe seemed to stifle testimony back in Feb????? Has the planned testimony from SS changed between the time that Penner and Cook testified on Feb 22 and now? Thoughts?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Adam Carter 4:11 PM
Cook says it would take up to three hours to fully burn a 170 pound animal down to bone ash. "That's the only thing that's left, pretty much," he says. Bosma was estimated to be about that weight.

Adam Carter 4:12 PM
"Mr. Bosma was incinerated inside of the SN500," Crown Tony Leitch says.

Adam Carter 4:13 PM
Some bones were found on top of the cement cylinders inside of The Eliminator. Cook says that's not totally unusual after a burn.

Adam Carter 4:14 PM
The unit found on Millard's farm is usually used for poultry.

Can somebody help me with this? I've been trying to remember if Penner and/or Cook were able to tell us on Feb 22 what SS told the Eliminator manufacturers what the intended use of the incinerator was going to be. I know that when Penner was testifying he seems to have been asked but there are no tweets showing an answer from SS. I know there were legal arguments that day in the absence of the jury and perhaps the defence won their argument to not allow SS to give the reason (animal or pet incineration etc....). Despite us not knowing for sure that the Eliminator folks were told it was for animals I had assumed that was the case given the further tweets around size and fuel requirements for burns of 250, 500lb etc... What does anybody else think of this AC tweet? It rather sounds like the unit was used for poultry....on the other hand, it would just mean that that MODEL is normally used for poultry. Furthermore, why would the defence attempt to block Penner from sharing with the courtroom what SS had told him the intended purpose of the incinerator was? Do I just need more coffee or sleep or something?????

I think it is that the model is usually used for poultry.

I suspect they would not allow those questions because the answer would be third hand: DM told SS why, SS told BP why, what BP knows about why DM wanted the incinerator is then hearsay.

 

[Prairie_dawg]

If DM had soooo much money floating around as his defense keeps implying then WHY did he suddenly feel the need to save fuel costs by getting a diesel. Everything about this guy and his defense is a messy contradiction. I would like to see a snapshot of his cash assets at the time of the test drive to see if he even had the $20k to pay for the truck at hand? I suspect not. JMO

 

[Prairie_dawg]

Adam Carter 4:11 PM
Cook says it would take up to three hours to fully burn a 170 pound animal down to bone ash. "That's the only thing that's left, pretty much," he says. Bosma was estimated to be about that weight.

...

<rsbm>
So how many 170 lb animals are there really????

A full grown Rottweiler maybe 120 lb, an adult sheep perhaps? Cattle, horses etc would be far more. Perhaps a calf or something but I cannot imagine too many are 170 lb on four legs.

Its one number that has always disturbed me from the first time I saw it. JMO

 

[flipflop]

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 52s53 seconds ago
NS: So during those 72 hours you could've looked inside the hangar by just looking in your phone. SS: Yes. #Bosma

Mar 31 2016 3:52 PM
"During those 72 hours, you could have looked inside the hangar by just looking at your phone," Sachak says.

This has me wondering.... did he check out the app and actually saw what was happening with TB's truck at the hanger!!!!
Is this why he needed to get a new phone the day he was told to stay away from the hanger.

If I was told to stay away from work, I would be very curious as to why. If I had an app that could let me see why I am to stay away, you bet your last dollar, I would be checking it out!!!! I think SS saw the truck, saw some activity with pulling things out of the truck, I think he saw too much and had to get rid of the phone!!!!!

 

[brightii]

<rsbm>
So how many 170 lb animals are there really????

A full grown Rottweiler maybe 120 lb, an adult sheep perhaps? Cattle, horses etc would be far more. Perhaps a calf or something but I cannot imagine too many are 170 lb on four legs.

Its one number that has always disturbed me from the first time I saw it. JMO

Interesting observation. While everyone including LE presumed that IT was not the chosen victim because he could have overpowered the killers, perhaps it was simply, or also because DM and/or MS were concerned about his bulky size and decided that he would not so easily fit into the incinerator after the murder? Of course that would confirm premeditation. I'm only speculating.

All MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

<rsbm>
So how many 170 lb animals are there really????

A full grown Rottweiler maybe 120 lb, an adult sheep perhaps? Cattle, horses etc would be far more. Perhaps a calf or something but I cannot imagine too many are 170 lb on four legs.

Its one number that has always disturbed me from the first time I saw it. JMO

That's just the Crown asking the manufacturer how it works. The Crown basically asked how long would it take to burn someone the size of TB, and the manufacturer said 3 hours.

It has nothing to do with SS or DM.

 

[Susanne]

I think that refinancing is different than getting a bridge loan mortgage. As well, rental investment properties would require different financing than a quick flip investment property, just as commercial investments properties would require different financing, I would think.

Institutions lend money with an expectation of getting a certain return on their investment. Money lent for a long term has a contract to pay them a certain amount of interest that may seem small but add up over time. When the money is only loaned for a considerably much shorter amount of time, a higher interest rate makes it worthwhile to the lender, otherwise there would be little incentive to loan short term. It is like the penalties for paying off a loan early, the earlier you pay it off, the stiffer the financial penalty. They want you to hold the money longer to ensure their maximum profits, or else they find another way to take that money from you anyway. Paying higher than a 2% interest rate for a short term bridge mortgage doesn't sound that unusual to me in this context.

My opinion only.

I agree with you, bridge financing for a short term is almost treated like a second mortgage for any new purchase and are higher rates run accordingly.

But for an investment property, such as a rental home, I would think you would want the best rate of interest for the longest period of time, depending on the economy of course. Reason being that usually rental properties are not for flipping but for having the tenants pay off the mortgage, taxes, insurance, and any utilities or other expenses you incur. Mortgage interest, the bulk of what you pay the banks, are tax deductible for rental properties as are repairs and some maintenance costs. Depreciation write-offs for repairs and improvements only lasts so many years until you start paying taxes on the rental income.

Besides, you may not pay off your mortgage, rental or principal residence, before you want to sell but in most cases you can take your mortgage with you to your new purchase so you can avoid any penalty fees.

JMHO and HTH

 

[Inspector_North]

<rsbm>
So how many 170 lb animals are there really????

A full grown Rottweiler maybe 120 lb, an adult sheep perhaps? Cattle, horses etc would be far more. Perhaps a calf or something but I cannot imagine too many are 170 lb on four legs.

Its one number that has always disturbed me from the first time I saw it. JMO

I think you will find that they burn more than one at a time up to the capacity of the unit. One picture I saw of the unit in action, they put many birds into the unit.

Large poultry farms often have many dead on a given day.

 

[Inspector_North]

Interesting observation. While everyone including LE presumed that IT was not the chosen victim because he could have overpowered the killers, perhaps it was simply, or also because DM and/or MS were concerned about his bulky size and decided that he would not so easily fit into the incinerator after the murder? Of course that would confirm premeditation. I'm only speculating.

All MOO.

Or the plan required them to over power the victim, and that is why they passed on IT. However, Tim also turned out to be a challenge, and hence the shooting inside the truck.

All speculation, and hopefully some light will be shed on what happened. I can't imagine what the Bosma Army (as they call themselves) are going through with all this evidence about DM's life.