Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #8

[Sleepy Villager]

That seems very shifty if NS did indeed do that.

 

[paris_paris]

That's what I'm thinking flipflop. I'm sure there's interesting stuff on that DVR that will take up to 2 days of legal arguments and we'll never get to hear about.

 

[Abitcountry]

I hope TD questions SS about being told to stay away from the hanger due to airport politics.
If you were told to stay away, would you not question it with your boss the next day.
Unless you checked your app on your phone and already knew the answer....but SS won't remember!

Personally, I'd be driving by the airport and the hangar to see if there were any signs of something going on....and for sure I'd be on my cell phone fiddling with the app on and off all day long to see what I could see.....
Unless of course I already knew what was going on and the "airport politics" comment was code for 'the eagle has landed' or 'we got what we were after'.....and the 'stay away and don't even come for a tool' really meant we don't need your father-in-law poking around here today, so take the day off buddy.

 

[matou]

Personally, I'd be driving by the airport and the hangar to see if there were any signs of something going on....and for sure I'd be on my cell phone fiddling with the app on and off all day long to see what I could see.....
Unless of course I already knew what was going on and the "airport politics" comment was code for 'the eagle has landed' or 'we got what we were after'.....and the 'stay away and don't even come for a tool' really meant we don't need your father-in-law poking around here today, so take the day off buddy.

Yes ITA. SS already knew what was meant by the text in the first place. JMO

 

[Abitcountry]

That seems very shifty if NS did indeed do that.

What are you responding to?

 

[flipflop]

Personally, I'd be driving by the airport and the hangar to see if there were any signs of something going on....and for sure I'd be on my cell phone fiddling with the app on and off all day long to see what I could see.....
Unless of course I already knew what was going on and the "airport politics" comment was code for 'the eagle has landed' or 'we got what we were after'.....and the 'stay away and don't even come for a tool' really meant we don't need your father-in-law poking around here today, so take the day off buddy.

IMO SS knew about the plan of stealing a truck. A murder was not discussed with SS so he was told to stay away due to politics. SS would be curious and check his app, who wouldn't. After doing so, he needed a new phone and fast, so him and his wife went to get them right that same day. His FIL figured things out pretty quickly, told SS, SS stuck by DM's side, FIL is fired. Why would SS want to be involved, he could have jumped ship and went to LE with his FIL, why stay and get tangled into this mess????

 

[Abitcountry]

Yes ITA. SS already knew what was meant by the text in the first place. JMO

So no doubt in your mind Shane is just playing <modsnip>. I suppose that works with some people some of the time...so tell me is he still married???? Any chance of laying any charges against him related to the Bosma event in the future??

 

[SnooperDuper]

We have seen video from neighbouring buildings, and one short video from inside the hangar. Was the hangar video from the DVR that was seized? I can't remember if that was specified. They haven't actually talked about the evidence (DVR and letters) found in the closet yet have they?

Yes, the DVR recorded input from two cameras: camera 1 was inside and showed DM, MS and Pedo. Camera 2 was outside and was pointed at the wall.

I wonder if they are waiting for CN to take the stand, seeing that it was found in her room. I wonder if we will see incriminating evidence on it, to prove that she was hiding such valuable evidence to this case

We have already seen the evidence that came off the DVR in terms of video. What will be interesting is to hear the settings because LE knows someone logged in locally to the DVR on the 29th of April and repositioned the cameras.

 

[Abitcountry]

IMO SS knew about the plan of stealing a truck. A murder was not discussed with SS so he was told to stay away due to politics. SS would be curious and check his app, who wouldn't. After doing so, he needed a new phone and fast, so him and his wife went to get them right that same day. His FIL figured things out pretty quickly, told SS, SS stuck by DM's side, FIL is fired. Why would SS want to be involved, he could have jumped ship and went to LE with his FIL, why stay and get tangled into this mess????

Why stay....well you get to keep the Camaro as a perk (value ???)....your boss's mom keeps you on a payroll for another 2+ years and maybe there was even a severance package for such a good friend who did not want to see his friend get a life sentence ....just work with the defense, and say yes to everything--easy.

 

[flipflop]

Why stay....well you get to keep the Camaro as a perk (value ???)....your boss's mom keeps you on a payroll for another 2+ years and maybe there was even a severance package for such a good friend who did not want to see his friend get a life sentence ....just work with the defense, and say yes to everything--easy.

If he had any common sense and loved his kids and wife, he would have walked away. Material things are not worth it compared to being caught in the middle of a murder investigation. JMO though. hmmmm Camaro or my wife, on the payroll for 2 yrs or my kids. I wonder if they are still with SS, I wonder if the Camaro and the 2 yrs of pay was worth it.

 

[Abitcountry]

If he had any common sense and loved his kids and wife, he would have walked away. Material things are not worth it compared to being caught in the middle of a murder investigation. JMO though. hmmmm Camaro or my wife, on the payroll for 2 yrs or my kids. I wonder if they are still with SS, I wonder if the Camaro and the 2 yrs of pay was worth it.

Well, he has the Camaro...he did work for Madeline for 2+ years and cleaned up the hangar real nice...someone said he looks like he's lost a little weight these days----sounds like all the signs of a single guy to me.

He doesn't talk to his father-in-law and hasn't for almost 3 years and somewhere during that time he lost his spine----- oh, that is definitely not good for your marriage.

 

[Abitcountry]

So I am still puzzled by something and I'd like to hear others thoughts...

It's the departure of the Yukon from the hangar on the night/morning of May 6....it was gone for about 30 minutes.
Does anyone seriously believe they went for something to eat ???

My mind wanders to....maybe it was the 3rd person in the Yukon being driven back to his car left a distance away.
Does the surveillance tape from the Masonry outfit show which way the Yukon turned at Fountain Street?

Do we have proof that Schlatman actually did leave the hangar at about 8 pm on May 6?
Was his departure possibly captured on the Masonry surveillance tapes as well?

 

[Sillybilly]

Posts about AM of London have been removed. It was established in the very early threads they are not one and the same person. Thank you to members who clarified that issue.

:tyou:

 

[Abitcountry]

Seems so rude to just slip away......good night all fftobed:

 

[Claroon]

Problem is... he had already told his right-hand-man that he had BOUGHT the truck. To 'buy' a blood soaked truck (which it had to have been, considering the evidence), perhaps including a body in it, I'd imagine it would go for next to nothing, possibly even free. It was a huge liability. So with alllllllll of his money, and no need to *steal* a truck, he also had no need to buy a crime-scene truck for dirt cheap, perhaps with a body inside too. He could have afforded to buy 'the best', which was more to his style and tastes, according to his lawyer. Since he was caught red-handed with the truck, he has to choose, did he steal it with TB inside and kill him, or did he buy a blood drenched truck for peanuts which had obviously been used in a serious blood letting event and then proceed to hide all of the evidence of someone else's crime? It's way late to be talking about what he could have afforded. moo

You are too funny! Made me laugh out loud.

 

[flipflop]

Yes, the DVR recorded input from two cameras: camera 1 was inside and showed DM, MS and Pedo. Camera 2 was outside and was pointed at the wall.

We have already seen the evidence that came off the DVR in terms of video. What will be interesting is to hear the settings because LE knows someone logged in locally to the DVR on the 29th of April and repositioned the cameras.

I wonder if we have seen it all!!

 

[swedie]

This is when court transcripts would come in handy. Which one is correct; DM got the truck in Kitchener or DM bought the truck in Kitchener? OK, we know DM didn't get or buy the truck in Kitchener, but you know what I mean. See my first sentence. SS will likely say DM got the truck in Kitchener if asked, because if he's smart enough to figure it out, there was no bill of sale and ownership that exchanged hands. Then again, SS will just play dumb and say he can't recall.

What is totally laughable to me is, according to SS, DM told him he drove the Dodge truck from Kitchener to the hangar sitting on a pail...again that's according to SS's testimony. What did DM tell his interrogator(s), if anything how the truck arrived at the hangar? AND IF that was true he drove TB's Dodge sitting on a pail, how did it come about DM found this Dodge truck? Did he find it on Kijiji or Autotrader also? Did he contact the seller on line or by cellphone? If that was the case, (which we know it's not ), where is the evidence which should have been found on his computer and cellphone? Another thing...did this "seller" not tell DM it had no seats? Like seriously, DM had a full size trailer and his red Dodge he could have used to go pick up this truck knowing it had no seats, instead of taking the risk of driving without seats. Then again, we all know DM was a risk taker. :dervish: This is why it's so laughable, there's a lot of common sense behind all of this and I hope the Crown has been taking notes and asks questions to catch SS in his lies. WHY?? WHY would SS lie for DM? He's risking charges of perjury and there's no hope in H3LL if he thinks he's helping DM. It's only making him look really bad. SS isn't even good at raising reasonable doubt for the jurors. All that's coming out of him is that he is not trustworthy and is being dishonest in a court of law. These witnesses have a lot to lose by not being honest. ALL MOO.

The jury has heard that Millard told Schlatman he got the truck in Kitchener.
http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...and-worker-nicknamed-the-eliminator-the-bbq-/

Millard told him he bought the vehicle in Kitchener and wanted it painted.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/texts-show-millard-worried-about-having-bosmas-truck

 

[swedie]

I wonder if we have seen it all!!

I think so. Police video analyst Plaxton seems to be the one who analysed all the videos. I think if there were more, he would have been the person to present them also. It seems apparent the two cameras that were at the hangar, were deliberately angled as to not capture any damaging video. Actually, the interior one is damaging evidence IMO because it shows DM with his man purse, MS and Pedo at the hangar in early hours of May 7, 2013. Plaxton said he could not determine who the two men were, but it's pretty obvious who they are IMO. I think he has left "the obvious" up to the jurors to determine who they are. That saved the Crown's witness unnecessary explaining when it came to cross examining Officer Plaxton kwim. ALL MOO.

Example: During cross-examination, Millard's lawyer Ravin Pillay took issue with two video clips Plaxton had presented from the night of May 6, 2013, captured by a surveillance camera at SuperSuckers Hydro Vac, a business down the road from Bosma on Trinity Road.

The first clip Plaxton presented showed a dark-coloured SUV with no hub caps (consistent with Millard's Yukon, Plaxton said) driving south down Trinity Road at 8:46 p.m.

The second showed a truck (consistent with Bosma's) heading the other way down the road at 9:20 p.m. &#8212; followed by an SUV that again appears consistent with the Yukon.

Pillay pulled his own clips from that camera, suggesting there were other vehicles captured on the camera that evening that could have been Bosma's truck. Plaxton agreed others could not be ruled out.

The majority of the footage was of the area around the hangar &#8212; captured by five cameras at GA Masonry and two at the hangar itself (one inside, one outside).

http://m.kitchenerpost.ca/news-stor...-s-caught-on-video-at-dellen-millard-s-hangar

 

[swedie]

Anyone care to speculate what the two accused were doing from 12:19am until 2:30am (2 hours 11 minutes) while TB's truck sat outside the hangar? Was TB's truck moved to the south end of the hangar (12:35am) because there was water supply at that end? Six minutes later DM's SUV is also moved to the south end, but a minute later the SUV leaves. Where did one or both of the perps go during that 30 minutes? To see if there was a garden hose outside at that "nearby bungalow?" To see if a "DIY" car wash had video surveillance? Anyone familiar with that area and know if there is DIY car wash nearby, within a 15 minute drive?

Has it been mentioned where the interior camera at the hangar was; north, south or west side? (1 hour 34 minutes after arriving at hangar, perps captured on surveillance. Were they brain storming how they are going to wash TB's truck? Looking for water source/hookup, hose, buckets?

They are there 1 hour 25 minutes before igniting the incinerator. Then 15 minutes later TB's truck is turned around at south end of hangar? Why?

At 2:30am, 2 hours 11 minutes after first arriving at the hangar, TB's truck is finally moved into hangar. Why did it take so long for DM to move TB's truck into the hangar? They washed it and were waiting for it to dry?

3 hours 14 minutes from their first arrival, they finally turned on the hangar lights, 57 minutes after moving TB's truck inside the hangar.

1 hour 24 minutes after moving TB's truck inside the hangar, there are two brief flares ups from incinerator. What caused these flares? Burning their clothing or carpet from TB's truck perhaps?

Then at 5:30am TB's truck is moved out of the hangar and taken to the south end again. Perhaps more washing of the truck with seats and carpet removed? Then 25 and 35 minutes after that, TB's truck is moved again, to the west side loading doors and again at 6:05am back into the hangar. Three minutes later the incinerator is towed into hangar via DM's SUV. The perps left that morning at 7:02am in DM's Yukon. The incinerator remained inside hangar until 11:40pm, almost 24 hours after it arriving with TB's remains inside.

OK I'm going cross eyed now looking at my computer screen now hahaha . Am I missing something? Was there nothing caught on surveillance from May 8th at the hangar? I'm going to blame this on Flipflop as she/he's the one who got me looking into this video surveillance stuff. :blowkiss:

May 7, 2013
12:19am pickup truck towing a trailer pulls up to north end of hangar with SUV follows close behind.
12:35am pickup is moved to south end of hangar. Trailer remains at north end until 6:08am when it is towed into hangar.
12:41am the SUV is also moved to the south end of the hangar.
12:42am the SUV leaves the hangar property.
1:12am SUV returns 30 minutes later.
1:33am surveillance from inside the hangar shows two men and dog enter.
1:44am a large flame is visible above the trailer.
1:59am pickup truck is turned around.
2:30am pickup is moved into the hangar through north entrance.
3:23am the hangar lights come on.
3:54am someone comes out of door, goes to trailer. Flare from bottom of trailer, then another flare from top. Person goes into hangar.
4:19am and 4:26am someone exits then re-enters the hangar.
5:30am pickup moved out of hangar, parked at south end. Someone seen walking from truck to north end of hangar. Large door closes.
5:38am two people are seen walking toward south end of hangar. Plaxton cautions what's shown here could actually be a video "artifact," caused by reflections from traffic.
5:55am pickup truck backed up to loading door on west side.
6:05am pickup truck moved to north end of hangar.
6:08am SUV hooks up to trailer towing it into hangar.
7:02am SUV leaves hangar and it's now light outside. SUV makes left turn, heading southbound on Fountain Street.

9:09pm SUV arrives at the hangar.
11:40pm hangar lights go out. Loading door opens, SUV leaves towing incinerator.

May 9, 2013
6:56pm Red Dodge Ram pickup with red cap arrives at hangar.
8:38pm Red pickup leaves pulling fifth wheel trailer and returns to hangar two minutes later.
8:43pm Red pickup leaves again heading south on Fountain Street.

http://m.kitchenerpost.ca/news-stor...-s-caught-on-video-at-dellen-millard-s-hangar

 

[deugirtni]

Normally a business such as that would also have a fire and burglary alarm system in place which would notify in the event of fire and theft. Normally the system would be monitored by a security company who would automatically contact fire/police, depending on the alarm indication, and the owner, in the event the alarm went off. There doesn't seem to have been any mention of any such security system in place at the hangar, but I find it odd that it *wouldn't* have one, and especially considering DM's apparently unfettered wealth and his penchant for owning 'the best'. There were some expensive vehicles, expensive pieces of equipment, and apparently some stolen vehicles in there that one might presume he would want to protect as much as possible.

If there *was* such a system in place, and it was monitored by a professional security company, there would have been a record of alarm codes being punched in, by whom, etc. (Sometimes diff staff have diff codes so that in the event of breach, the owner can determine which staff accessed what, and at which times). There were 'fobs' which opened doors with outkeys, am I understanding that correctly? All this equipment like 'fobs', and live security cams, but no security system? Would be interesting to know if there was such a system, and if so, if it had been used during the day/night of the murder and the surrounding days, and the times of access at which panels.